Does "Freedom" actually matter?

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Internet Wizard said:
I don't think freedom matters, AMA
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What? What do you even mean by that? The concept of freedom in and of itself is already extremely abstract, you can't just say this expecting everyone to immediately understand your point/interpret it correctly. I think you're taking this "freedom", which I interpret as being mostly freedom of speech/press, for granted, I assure you wouldn't have the privilege (right) of complaining about the country or government's issues had you been born in mainland China instead.

You should also understand that megacities like Beijing/Shanghai are purposefully given extra amount of attention by the CCP to trick tourists like you into thinking the country is better than it actually is. I'm not even going to delve into the insane amount of corruption that's happening behind the scenes--for example, architectural/engineering projects get their funding drained constantly, which is why you see so many videos of "tofu drag" buildings floating around the Internet--in fact, corruption is easily mainland China's biggest problem. It's rooted deep in its society, present at the lowest levels, and I doubt that's going to change any time soon, because guess what? You're not allowed to complain.

OP, to answer your question, yes, "freedom" does matter. Complaining is just a part of it, there are also a lot of other factors at play that justify the preference of freedom over total safety. This forum being one of many. I doubt something like KF would have the opportunity to operate freely had it been hosted in China instead of the US. From what I see, I don't think you're considering the fact that corruption is a very prevalent problem amongst countries of this type, and it goes without saying that's something you don't want. Take a look at all the bureaucratic shitholes that are present among the world today.
 
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Mister Fister said:
I know you're young and idealistic here so nothing I say will convince you so I’ll just say this, find something that isn’t being an English teacher. You don’t want to be seen as a BHL(back home loser).
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Don't worry, if I move to the PRC it'd be when they pay me lots to go to school there. I don't shill for free
aardvark188 said:
I think you're taking this "freedom", which I interpret as being mostly freedom of speech/press, for granted, I assure you wouldn't have the privilege (right) of complaining about the country or government's issues had you been born in mainland China instead.
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Had I been born in mainland china, i'dve enjoyed the stability and productivity of education, transportation, and many other things that are so critical to living a good life. Maybe I'm just taking America for granted but we honestly suck at so much in comparison, even at objective levels (like academic papers, not some biased Radio Free shit, saying how behind we are relative to the rest of the world)
 
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Internet Wizard said:
Having been to both, Taipei outside the main streets feels like a dilapidated American city (much like Detroit), whereas China (Beijing atleast) feels like a high-end shopping mall
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People who worship China always miss the fact that your average Chinese man lives in a hovel and is a second class citizen in their own city because of the Hukou system that bans non-residents from healthcare and education.
Millions of Chinese literally live in Mao's nuclear war bunkers under Beijing because of their housing crisis.

Imperial cities like Moscow and Beijing are nice in key areas, but they hide the poverty. Their capitol cities are their storefronts. The only people who immigrate to China are broke young men looking for adventure and easy women.
 
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Internet Wizard said:
Had I been born in mainland china, i'dve enjoyed the stability and productivity of education, transportation, and many other things that are so critical to living a good life. Maybe I'm just taking America for granted but we honestly suck at so much in comparison, even at objective levels (like academic papers, not some biased Radio Free shit, saying how behind we are relative to the rest of the world)
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You’ll kill yourself in school to beat the gaokao to get a 3000 rmb a month job while the retard with guanxi gets the actual decent professional work.
 
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Internet Wizard said:
Qatar and the UAE do the same things but no one ever questions that. I doubt that you wouldn't be kept from an "authentic" experience if you learned Chinese
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What is there to question? You're using the Chinese flavor of it as a basis for your question and it is inherently faulty.

Internet Wizard said:
I hear this argument a lot but I don't really get it. Sure, the US also sucks outside of the major cities in many states but that doesn't ever get brought up.
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This depends on your definition of "sucks".
If clean air and water paired with having more land sucks to you, I guess we're different.
Inb4 "lol no. What about subrural Mississippi, cousin fucker".
Sure, not great and pretty universally sucks.
My point:
You're pitting a façade against your definition of freedom.
It's like comparing ++the looks of a porn star to ++the concept of a tradwife.
 
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Slap47 said:
The only people who immigrate to China are broke young men looking for adventure and easy women.
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So is high immigration seen as the end all bellweather of success? I'll admit I agree that China has shit soft power, compared to Korea, Japan or Taiwan - but these places have tons of white American expats looking for girls so it's not much different in that regard
Mister Fister said:
You’ll kill yourself in school to beat the gaokao to get a 3000 rmb a month job while the retard with guanxi gets the actual decent professional work.
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Don't act like the West doesn't offer shit wages and corruption either
Sultan Bin Jewstar said:
You're pitting a façade against your definition of freedom.
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Then explain the true situation of China to me, and why every Chinese doesn't clamor for the freedumb you pride yourselves on. Every student studying abroad could do it, but they'd rather scam America and run back home because they realize it sucks here -- pretty damning to me?
 
Internet Wizard said:
Then explain the true situation of China to me, and why every Chinese doesn't clamor for the freedumb you pride yourselves on.
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You tell me
Internet Wizard said:
Every student studying abroad could do it, but they'd rather scam America and run back home because they realize it sucks here -- pretty damning to me?
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Why didn't you stay when you visited?
It's almost as if there are legal hoops to jump through in order to maintain residency.
Furthermore, a significant number of countries, including those you listed as keepers of façade cities, actively seek out and handsomely compensate the American-educated.
In the case of China, there is a pretty well-documented and ongoing cohort of educational and economic espionage using the exact mechanism you're talking about.
 
Internet Wizard said:
Because my argument is that it doesn't matter and I'm trying to hear what people think about how it matters oh so much for some reason
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> starts thread on freedom
> gets pushback on why freedom ≠ clean streets
> "y no chinese talk shit about china, stalker child?!"
> as a chinese citizen, you literally cannot talk shit about china and hope to live a life of liberty
> "no. That's not the freedom I meant. Do another freedom and make it about clean streets"

Go watch hasan piker or something that'll scratch your "american bad because freedom doesn't do the stuff" itch.
 
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Can you post a thread crapping on Xi Jiping and the CCP in China, like we do with our own respective governments in the West? Can you at least demand your local governing bodies to do something, anything, to change things when they no longer work, without fear of reprisal?

Thought so, dipshit. Back to Reddit, and stay there.
 
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The concept of freedom originally came from aristocrats who had legitimate power to defend themselves; i.e., they had multiple families and people groups willing to die for them, like a mannurbund or Freemasonry. The wage slave is completely powerless and atomized, with the "right" to vote being his only power and some laws created for them by English aristocrats for which they don't care to defend. Freedom just becomes a slogan used by other power groups to lure in and get the normie to vote for them. Modern freedom/liberalism was developed by English aristocrats, not by wage slaves.
 
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