Does "Freedom" actually matter?

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I don't think freedom actually matters relative to other things, like development. It's overdone chigger nonsense atp but put your average US street in comparison to China, or even Taiwan to China for that matter:
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Having been to both, Taipei outside the main streets feels like a dilapidated American city (much like Detroit), whereas China (Beijing atleast) feels like a high-end shopping mall, though in both places I was with other Americans. When walking over Taipei's potholes, cockroaches and exposed wires I kept thinking about how this was the price to pay for "muh freedumb" - the freedom to run your AC at 18C, pay for things with cash (it's absurd how often even official things will want cash here), have pisspoor wifi that lets me post here without a VPN, etc etc. I'd be hard pressed to think that if Taiwanese weren't entrenched through the civil war they wouldn't think the same. And no, your average Taiwanese doesn't relish in these freedoms - they would probably support annexation by Beijing if it meant a substancial increase in QoL like observed on the Mainland. Which brings me to my main point
The average American doesn't care about freedom. Xitter users will call them cattle but it's just true. The average American wants trains to run frequently and on time, wants cheaper gas, and other quality of life things that fundamentally do not necessitate having the freedom to call people trannies on the Internet. It baffles me to think that we've basically traded any semblance of QoL for these "freedoms" that make our countries much less efficient and productive at the expense of our own futures.
I don't think freedom matters, AMA
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whereas China (Beijing atleast) feels like a high-end shopping mall,
Ah, xie xie, mister intelnet wizald. Thank you for noticing my fragship city.

I keep this 0.1% of my landmass finely manicured for events such as these, just don't walk past the velvet ropes or leave your state-sponsored tour guide behind. It's for your safety and has nothing to do with anything else.


the freedom to run your AC at 18C
I was with other Americans
pressing X and doubting.



Equating the cleanliness of a tourist destination and value of freedom to choose to not be the state's bitch (e.g. someone who cleans those streets) is silly.


++ not saying the premise of "the American take on freedom is a mistake" is wrong. Right question, wrong illustration.
 
You also realize that outside the first world cities China is closer to Cambodia.
I hear this argument a lot but I don't really get it. Sure, the US also sucks outside of the major cities in many states but that doesn't ever get brought up.
Most people would prefer to live in the metropols, in the US or China. You can't really not consider the metropoles as important because of that
I keep this 0.1% of my landmass finely manicured for events such as these, just don't walk past the velvet ropes or leave your state-sponsored tour guide behind. It's for your safety and has nothing to do with anything else.
Qatar and the UAE do the same things but no one ever questions that. I doubt that you wouldn't be kept from an "authentic" experience if you learned Chinese
Equating the cleanliness of a tourist destination and value of freedom to choose to not be the state's bitch (e.g. someone who cleans those streets) is silly.
"Being the state's bitch" is funny. What happened to the Lockean sense of the state serving the people? Why is every amerilard just a permanent lolbertarian post covid
 
>comparing burgerland slums to cherry picked professionally taken pictures probably taken straight from a PRC tourism agency
i can play this game too!
look at this beautiful pic from miami, florida! holiday in paradise!
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meanwhile in china:
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(this isn't just foggy weather, it's smog, it's they all wear masks outside)
Mad that China actually has industry, are we?
 
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I'm just glad I don't have to worry about dying in an elevator, unlike China. That makes America #1 in my book. The US having some of the strongest "freedoms" in the world is just a nice bonus. Also,
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Not even trying with this contentious act you're putting up, Fumotard.

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Fun fact: In all countries with a lot of brown people, you get neither freedom nor a functioning society. The darker the people, the darker the prospects.
 
I hear this argument a lot but I don't really get it. Sure, the US also sucks outside of the major cities in many states but that doesn't ever get brought up.
Most people would prefer to live in the metropols, in the US or China. You can't really not consider the metropoles as important because of that
I know you're young and idealistic here so nothing I say will convince you so I’ll just say this, find something that isn’t being an English teacher. You don’t want to be seen as a BHL(back home loser).
 
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