Does the right really support free speech?

[Overly Serious]

A rough definition of right and left is difference versus equality. Since people are not equal in reality, fact suppression tends to be a tool of the left. Not to mention ad hominem, cherry picking, mindless name calling, etc. It doesn't help that the people who most want "equality" tend to be mentally dysfunctional.

I think an important thing to always keep in mind in these discussions is that the Left in the modern West has been entirely suborned by globalists. Leftism and Globalism aren't always tied together, they just always are now. The relevance, imo, is that Globalism is inherently the enemy of any non-globalist culture, of any nationalist organization or belief. Perfectly reasonable arguments can be made for socialized healthcare, UBI and many other socialist ideas. That doesn't mean they're necessarily right but reasoned arguments can be made for them. But in the current situation of the Left being entirely taken over by Globalism, the Left becomes the adversary of self-supporting community or culture. Which is so much as to say, I agree with you, but it wouldn't be so much of an issue without this also.

 

[Gigantic Faggot]

I think an important thing to always keep in mind in these discussions is that the Left in the modern West has been entirely suborned by globalists. Leftism and Globalism aren't always tied together, they just always are now. The relevance, imo, is that Globalism is inherently the enemy of any non-globalist culture, of any nationalist organization or belief. Perfectly reasonable arguments can be made for socialized healthcare, UBI and many other socialist ideas. That doesn't mean they're necessarily right but reasoned arguments can be made for them. But in the current situation of the Left being entirely taken over by Globalism, the Left becomes the adversary of self-supporting community or culture. Which is so much as to say, I agree with you, but it wouldn't be so much of an issue without this also.

Yes you are correct, "equality" has become a local tool of those that want the opposite globally.

@Syaoran Li why did you rate my post dumb? Please explain what is dumb about it.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I think an important thing to always keep in mind in these discussions is that the Left in the modern West has been entirely suborned by globalists. Leftism and Globalism aren't always tied together, they just always are now. The relevance, imo, is that Globalism is inherently the enemy of any non-globalist culture, of any nationalist organization or belief. Perfectly reasonable arguments can be made for socialized healthcare, UBI and many other socialist ideas. That doesn't mean they're necessarily right but reasoned arguments can be made for them. But in the current situation of the Left being entirely taken over by Globalism, the Left becomes the adversary of self-supporting community or culture. Which is so much as to say, I agree with you, but it wouldn't be so much of an issue without this also.

Agreed. Really, the big issue with the Western Left is that it's entirely coopted by corporatist globalists in the 21st Century and they've pretty much directed the venom and anger of Marxists and Anarchism towards any nationalist or populist movements that threaten to derail the gravy train.

I do think it's really telling that the Woke Left as we know it today didn't start to become a thing until 2012 after Occupy Wall Street sprang up overnight nationwide over the fall and winter of the previous year.

@Syaoran Li why did you rate my post dumb? Please explain what is dumb about it.

Sorry, force of habit. I'll change the rating

 

[Gigantic Faggot]

Sorry, force of habit. I'll change the rating

I couldn't give a shit about the rating I just wanted to know what the fuck your problem is.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I couldn't give a shit about the rating I just wanted to know what the fuck your problem is.

Calm down there, Hoss.

Normally your posts are inane and idiotic and I assumed it was another insane rant.

 

[Gigantic Faggot]

Calm down there, Hoss.

Normally your posts are inane and idiotic and I assumed it was another insane rant.

You mean where I call out your precious Jews and you have a tantrum all over the forum?

 

[Syaoran Li]

You mean where you call out my autistic obsessive fixation on the Jews and I have a tantrum all over the forum?

Fixed that for you, bub.

 

[Gigantic Faggot]

Fixed that for you, bub.

Oh right nobody should mention that the Jews are behind the ongoing genocide of the European people or some anonymous asshole socially invested in a creepy troll forum will accuse you of having an "autistic obsessive fixation", and we wouldn't want that. I guess we'd better keep our mouths shut about it.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Oh right nobody should mention that the Jews are behind the ongoing genocide of the European people or some anonymous asshole socially invested in a creepy troll forum will accuse you of having an "autistic obsessive fixation", and we wouldn't want that. I guess we'd better keep our mouths shut about it.

I mean, if this is a "creepy troll forum" then why do you post here?

I'm not even asking as an ad hominem. I'm asking a serious question here.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

The right isn't in favour of free speech and that's a good thing. Left wing speech creates transgender bees, right wing speech creates milk and honey

 

[Overly Serious]

I mean, if this is a "creepy troll forum" then why do you post here?

I'm not even asking as an ad hominem. I'm asking a serious question here.

Probably the same reason as for all on here - nowhere else will have us.

Or is that just me?

 

[Terrorist]

Republicans: "We're free speech warriors and we'll fight to the death against cancel culture!"
Steve King, John Derbyshire, Blake Neff, Kris Kobach, Pete D'Abrosca, Mary Ann Mendoza, Texan government contractors that boycott Israel and any critic of Israel in general:

There are two big factions in the right wing: the conservitarian libertarian free market types like Dennis Pragur (Prager?) and the paternalistic religious social conservatives. Libertarians will "disagree with what you say but defend, to the death, your right to say it" while social conservatives are more like those gosh darn SJWs in terms of censorship, sort of.

I don't support free speech, liberal democracies and democratic values are wrong. Human rights don't exist and the autocratic boot of the state should step on people's necks when they get out of line, that's how human civilization functioned for 1000 years and when this era of peace ends there will be another 1000 years of autocracy. Free speech is doomed to fail regardless of whether you think it's good. If you never stop someone from spreading their ideas but at every time possible they stop you from spreading your ideas then eventually your ideas will be totally annihilated because they're not competitive. Those who use the tools of power win.

Like guns and the 2nd Amendment, the problem there isn't freedom of speech itself but the context it exists in. The issues you probably have with how free speech is used now didn't exist until relatively recent cultural changes. By your logic, if we should overturn the 1A for whatever degeneracy it has been abused to enable, then we should also overturn the 2A due to recent school shootings. You've misidentified the problem.

Like the "relationship" betweenyou and your neo-nazi mentor Paul Fromme, you piece of shit?

Wait, what? Proof?

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Does the left support democratic elections?

 

[Fractal Lifeform]

I say no. But Liberals and Leftists don't care about it either. The left only cared cause they didn't control everything. Now that they do, they have discarded it.

I think an important thing to always keep in mind in these discussions is that the Left in the modern West has been entirely suborned by globalists. Leftism and Globalism aren't always tied together, they just always are now. The relevance, imo, is that Globalism is inherently the enemy of any non-globalist culture, of any nationalist organization or belief. Perfectly reasonable arguments can be made for socialized healthcare, UBI and many other socialist ideas. That doesn't mean they're necessarily right but reasoned arguments can be made for them. But in the current situation of the Left being entirely taken over by Globalism, the Left becomes the adversary of self-supporting community or culture. Which is so much as to say, I agree with you, but it wouldn't be so much of an issue without this also.

Workers of the World unite, says otherwise. I agree with you about Globalists and the Left. But Leftism and Liberalism have always had trains of thought about a world wide unification or utopia.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Republicans: "We're free speech warriors and we'll fight to the death against cancel culture!"
Steve King, John Derbyshire, Blake Neff, Kris Kobach, Pete D'Abrosca, Mary Ann Mendoza, Texan government contractors that boycott Israel and any critic of Israel in general:



Like guns and the 2nd Amendment, the problem there isn't freedom of speech itself but the context it exists in. The issues you probably have with how free speech is used now didn't exist until relatively recent cultural changes. By your logic, if we should overturn the 1A for whatever degeneracy it has been abused to enable, then we should also overturn the 2A due to recent school shootings. You've misidentified the problem.



Wait, what? Proof?

If I've misidentified the problem then what is the problem? Those cultural changes could've only happened with free speech.

And don't listen to that guy. He got assmad because I destroyed him in an argument and now he thinks that I'm an infamous Canadian neonazi. He is Canadian too, but when I said "I think Canada is generally a good thing that is worth continuing," he sperged out and said that Canada is a shithole that should either be annexed by the US or nuked. And that's not a joke, he hates his country that much

 

[Fractal Lifeform]

I say no. But Liberals and Leftists don't care about it either. The left only cared cause they didn't control everything. Now that they do, they have discarded it.


Workers of the World unite, says otherwise. I agree with you about Globalists and the Left. But Leftism and Liberalism have always had trains of thought about a world wide unification or utopia.

adding to this.

You also have to specify what do you mean by right wing community? Cause right wing nowadays means anything that doesn't toe the line.

 

[Gigantic Faggot]

adding to this.

You also have to specify what do you mean by right wing community? Cause right wing nowadays means anything that doesn't tow the line.

*toe the line

It's basically Jews trying to destroy white people, and this right and left bullshit is just a distraction from that.

 

[Fractal Lifeform]

*toe the line

Thanks. Will fix it. I didn't notice that mistake.

It's basically Jews trying to destroy white people, and this right and left bullshit is just a distraction from that.

Quite possible. After all, eventually all these people are revealed to be Jews.

 

[Irritable Bowel Syndrome]

I say no. But Liberals and Leftists don't care about it either. The left only cared cause they didn't control everything. Now that they do, they have discarded it.

Both liberals/leftists and conservatives actually used to have the same opinions on it back in 1980-2010: "MUH PRIVATE COMPANY". If this was a different era, they would be asking water companies to cut your water and phone companies to cut your phone lines based on political allegiance. Conservatives have only slightly started budging on recently due to how hard that stance is destroying them, but it's probably too late for this era.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Here's the deal, rightwing censorship was good for society. Socrates acknowledged in his famous book The Republic that some music is good for you and some music is bad for you. Don't you think there's a problem with the type of shit gays consume? If gays never had the option consume such degenerate porn maybe they wouldn't be gay. hip-hop, rap, hollywood, and the devil incarnate are infesting the minds of children from birth to death. You are living, breathing, worldwide mad deadly Jew propaganda. It's no surprised that YOU, brainwashed from birth, are defending your brainwashing.

edit: you know I'm right. All these fucking faggots wanna take the nuanced position of "I will never censor anybody because I may not like what they have to say but I will defend their right to say it." As if that's going to save you. If you never censor your opponent and they always censor you guess what's gonna happen, you will lose. This is not like a cordial game of football, if the left wins it's over. You will be put in gulags and your precious free speech is gone forever

Lol, you cite Republic but you don't even know who wrote it. Plato, the student of Socrates, wrote that dialogue- there are zero known tracts that were written by Socrates, and all of Plato's "Socratic Dialogues" are near-universally agreed to be Plato inserting his opinions into his former teacher's mouth.

Also, your reading about music is pretty dumb, as The Republic would classify 100% of classical and church music as harmful- only monotonic instrumental music is acceptable, and only for the ruling caste- the warrior and slave castes can't hear music at all, because it might make them think about something besides labor.
The fact that you cite the first vision of dystopia in the Western canon (Plato believed that every work of fiction or myth should be destroyed in the Republic, because anything that wasn't literally true would cause mental confusion, and that children should be taken from their families and raised collectively so that they think of the State and its rulers as their mother and father) as an ideal tells me how warped your mindset is- or how profound your ignorance of the classics is.