Doomworld - AKA Troonworld, a dedicated safe space for pedophiles and megalomaniacs - Corrupting the Doom community since 2016

[Willie B. Hardigan]

Why do so many people in the Doom modding community have such an autistic hatred towards Brutal Doom? Is it just the simple fact that it's probably the most popular mod outside the community and the first thing people think of when the words "Doom" and "Mod" are put together so they're jealous their own shit isn't as popular. I know the creator is some racist Brazillian so of course the most sensitive members will hate it just for that but it must be some petty ego shit in order to motivate many to do pathetic things like intentionally make anti-Brutal Doom plugins in their own mods so you can't play both together. Envy got their neo-vaginas and balls in a twist I guess.

 

[IKOL]

Why do so many people in the Doom modding community have such an autistic hatred towards Brutal Doom?

It become mainstream faster than Doom itself, which is quite telling of what people actually wanted (back then at the very least). Not to mention that Sgt. Mark have become a cause of some doom modding trends, either knowingly or not.
Well that and it wasn't THEM STUNNING AND BRAVE TRANSGURLS who were the authors of the most popular (and also very annoying due to amount of incestuous branches of one and counting each and every one is a literally pain.) modification that make Doom more enjoyable experience due to better difficulty flexibility.

 

[OneMillionRPM]

Why do so many people in the Doom modding community have such an autistic hatred towards Brutal Doom? Is it just the simple fact that it's probably the most popular mod outside the community and the first thing people think of when the words "Doom" and "Mod" are put together so they're jealous their own shit isn't as popular. I know the creator is some racist Brazillian so of course the most sensitive members will hate it just for that but it must be some petty ego shit in order to motivate many to do pathetic things like intentionally make anti-Brutal Doom plugins in their own mods so you can't play both together. Envy got their neo-vaginas and balls in a twist I guess.

Early on it was just spite for Brutal Doom's fans. They used to come into mod threads and bug their creators to make them compatible with BD, so modders put in countermeasures hoping they'd get the hint that it's not gonna happen. But nowadays the "make it work with BD plzpzlzplz" looks to have stopped, so it's only because of jealousy and asspain over Mark like you mentioned.

 

[Zacharin X]

And while we are at it, this thread just popped up: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/141725-mapping-how-much-of-it-is-talent/
Look at all these unqualified turds posting their statements. We could analyze each and every person in there for the fun of it, match them with our behind the scenes knowledge and then come to the conclusion that the current mapping scene is utterly fucked.

So that's the new Troonworld-ism of the week - TALENT DOESN'T EXIST!

Good god, these people reach new levels of retard by the minute.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Why do so many people in the Doom modding community have such an autistic hatred towards Brutal Doom? Is it just the simple fact that it's probably the most popular mod outside the community and the first thing people think of when the words "Doom" and "Mod" are put together so they're jealous their own shit isn't as popular. I know the creator is some racist Brazillian so of course the most sensitive members will hate it just for that but it must be some petty ego shit in order to motivate many to do pathetic things like intentionally make anti-Brutal Doom plugins in their own mods so you can't play both together. Envy got their neo-vaginas and balls in a twist I guess.

Several aspects, initially, especially after brutal dooms initial rise, brutal doom was arguably far more popular than doom modding community in general, And many felt angry about it nearly over-shadowing the community as a whole. Mark4s actions later were certainly an issue, as he made a few edgy jokes, but after some time, it was CLEARLY just a massive grudge boner the community had. I really think the over-shadowing is perhaps the biggest part, with them disliking him personally being a catalyst. Brutal doom got big enough to have multiple forks of it made, Including a big revamp called project brutality which is its own thing, but very much built atop brutal doom. So considering that they banned him, and hes STILL a big, impossible to remove part of doom history, yeah, they are mad about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTrLmUCr38
This video really sums up the pathology of the community surrounding brutal doom, he says its trash using the most silly arguments, many of which are resolved by "you can turn that off in settings in 3 seconds". people called out his shit though, and he tried doubling down a few times, which were just as affective as his first video.

They just don't want to accept that brutal doom was successful, even though they will never change that.

 

[Willie B. Hardigan]

It's as simple as that I guess. Considering it is an older forum, those are more notorious for having internal slap-fights and users with high levels of unwarranted self-importance rather than the more common algorithmic brain-rot of today. Every one of those modders dreams of hitting it big until somebody who isn't them does, then it's all about the "passion" and "art". Anyone who isn't a groveling starving artist is a sellout, bad, etc. A common theme in any creative field I suppose. Greatly appreciate the information guys. I hope VietDoom is one day finished, it looked good from the few videos and demos released.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

It's as simple as that I guess. Considering it is an older forum, those are more notorious for having internal slap-fights and users with high levels of unwarranted self-importance rather than the more common algorithmic brain-rot of today. Every one of those modders dreams of hitting it big until somebody who isn't them does, then it's all about the "passion" and "art". Anyone who isn't a groveling starving artist is a sellout, bad, etc. A common theme in any creative field I suppose. Greatly appreciate the information guys. I hope VietDoom is one day finished, it looked good from the few videos and demos released.

I feel like I did a poor job going over a few details, so I'll elaborate.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47678

This was zdoom forums "stance" on brutal doom after the community falling out from a few edgy jokes mark made. It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines there, they don't like brutal doom and ESPECIALLY mark, but also, its impossible to remove from the community. not to mention forks such as brutal doom platinum, and project brutality are played by a huge chunk of the community.

For reference even only 2 years ago, new "forks" were being made for brutal doom like platinum doom, so you cannot just ban it. https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=73991 it shows 0 sign of "fading into obscurity". This is also only 1 of SEVERAL published brutal doom forks, theres been dozens over the years, which really demonstrates how its popularity over-shadowed things.

Though note the line in the community post on brutal doom. "Stop arguing about whether it's "right" to break Brutal Doom "support" in a given mod or TC project". This is debatably well intended perhaps due to what I said about it overshadowing the community, a side effect of that was that just about any mapset with custom assets would get asked "does it work with brutal doom?", which while completely fine, it really made it clear how brutal doom was so huge when ANY custom mapper got asked this. It got extremely annoying to some, which is why they banned debating compatibility. BUT there's absolutely been people who have made scripts which INTENTIONALLY check if brutal doom is being used, and then run malicious code to fuck with the player, which makes that rule a bit insidious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CD_cjlIXKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLjiGWeT30 at 2:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BVc5H842qo one from "marisa the magician" who is a troon whos been caught screwing around with minors in the past (and got defended by admins).

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/doomworld.28307/post-16204284

So basically none of these people think brutal doom is a bad mod, its just tactics to badmouth the mod for being too popular, and giving fame to someone that didn't keep in line. So they make passive aggressive stuff like this, or post "opinions" like that beansprout video in my previous post.

Also worth noting, when the mess of marisa the magician happened and the doom community admins tried desperately to cover it up, mark suspended his rule about community drama on his discord for a time.

He did also say "don't be transphobic" but considering the doom community at large hates him as a person, I view this as only being cautious. He still effectively confirms marisa, and rachel (admin who defended his fellow troon) were trans, but I understand trying to cover his ass a little. I suspect this still didn't help the people like marisa hating him, nor the army of troon / troon defenders, but his willingness to call it out is good.

I'm also including a video from "cardboard marty" that details out the marisa situation for archive purposes, I see the video linked in a few places here, but I didn't see a non youtube option. So I am including it here in-case it ever gets deleted, since its too important to let disappear. (especially since its already "delisted")

Finally, I have no idea whats up with viet-doom, I suspect it was kinda set aside to work on BD22, and brutal fate (his upcoming game hes going to sell). https://store.steampowered.com/app/1409460/Brutal_Fate/

 

[HumptiDouji]

Dr. Sleep's bastard son

The fuck?

Why do so many people in the Doom modding community have such an autistic hatred towards Brutal Doom?

A lot of different reasons, some pretty good, some less so. Journos praising BD as the best thing ever made, and "the way Doom was meant to be played" soured a lot of people, particularly because they credited Mark with shitloads of things that BD just didn't do (such as basic features of the GzDoom sourceport).
Sgt. Mark was also EXTREMELY smug and obnoxious about BD's popularity, not quite SonicFox bad, but not an entirely dissimilar mentality. The fact that he refused to credit various people who did a lot of work for him made this behavior even less popular.

Then there's of course all the children who angrily complained and insisted that everything should be made compatible with BD. This is less common these days, but the obnoxiousness cannot be understated.

break Brutal Doom "support"

Break in what sense? I might need a refresher here, but BD will do whatever BD does with maps, which may or may not break some of them, but that's the inherent hazard of gameplay mods. Otherwise, trying to load BD together with another gameplay overhaul mod is just not ever going to work without very substantial work put into resolving hundreds and hundreds of conflicts, before you get into trying to make that mess makes sense in terms of gameplay.
For what it mattered, those special "breaking" things served to filter out the previously mentioned children, if they're complaining about that funny thing you did, that means they're retards who are asking the impossible and their complaints can be safely disregarded.

So basically none of these people think brutal doom is a bad mod

Small sample size, there's many people (with or without a grudge), who will sit you down and tell you all their complaints with BD's design. There's a certain appeal in what BD does, I'll never deny that, but it's also very sloppily put together and has a lot of terrible design choices, which is one of the reasons it has hundreds of forks and derivatives.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Break in what sense?

all the children who angrily complained and insisted that everything should be made compatible with BD

Seems you already know of things that broke? Why are you asking me?

complaints with BD's design

A lot of different reasons, some pretty good, some less so. Journos praising BD as the best thing ever made, and "the way Doom was meant to be played" soured a lot of people, particularly because they credited Mark with shitloads of things that BD just didn't do (such as basic features of the GzDoom sourceport).
Sgt. Mark was also EXTREMELY smug and obnoxious about BD's popularity, not quite SonicFox bad, but not an entirely dissimilar mentality. The fact that he refused to credit various people who did a lot of work for him made this behavior even less popular.

Then there's of course all the children who angrily complained and insisted that everything should be made compatible with BD. This is less common these days, but the obnoxiousness cannot be understated.

you made my point for me right here. none of these complaints are about the mod itself being "bad", every single thing you listed can be either attributed to they PERSONALLY dislike mark, or they are jaded at brutal dooms success. And that's why most dislike it, not because they think its a bad design (even though if pressed, they will make arguments like beansprout.) But because animosity toward the creator and the stuff surrounding the mod.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Why are you asking me?

In case I missed something, like someone figuring out how to cockblock it for Vanilla maps or something.

none of these complaints are about the mod itself being "bad",

He asked where a lot of the animosity towards the mod and the author comes from, and those things are generally why. Those aren't things which make the mod itself bad, but that wasn't necessarily the question.
In my opinion, you're kind of glossing over shit by just pointing towards Mark's edgy humor and the pettiness of ZDoom Forums staff, those other things I mentioned all factor in too when it comes to general animosity towards the mod, author, and fanbase, it wasn't just the staff and big names on the forums deciding suddenly they didn't like Brutal Doom and Sgt. Mark.

People don't tend to get very salty about a gameplay mod just because it's poorly designed, or the people who made Aeons Of Death would be getting death threats.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

People don't tend to get very salty about a gameplay mod just because it's poorly designed, or the people who made Aeons Of Death would be getting death threats.

They use "the gameplay is bad" etc. as a reason that isn't completely fucking insane so they sound normal to people they're sperging out at. If they said the real reasons, i.e. "this mod is played by people I consider undesirable" or "I believe Sgt. Mark is an alt-right chud" they'd be laughed at even more than they already are. It's a common trend, you hate someone or something for completely petty and/or personal reasons, but you know, at least instinctively, that you can't just say that without people calling you out on it, so you dig and dig and dig for logical-sounding things that you otherwise wouldn't have cared about. I see it so much in fields like art, comics, writing, movies, particularly when someone dislikes something because it's popular and not necessarily because it's bad in any serious, obvious way. They have to nitpick to not sound like a complete fucking loser when complaining about the thing.

I've experienced it myself, I personally dislike a creator so I've caught myself trying to dig things out of his works to criticize when I know I wouldn't have given a shit about those things if I didn't have a personal grudge against the guy who made it. The difference is I recognize this behavior and stop myself from acting like a faggot online.

 

[HumptiDouji]

If they said the real reasons, i.e. "this mod is played by people I consider undesirable" or "I believe Sgt. Mark is an alt-right chud" they'd be laughed at even more than they already are.

That'll really depend on who you'll talk to. In the big name ZDF circles, yeah, Sgt. Mark was unpersoned for naughty no-no opinions and edgy jokes, and that's all that matters to them, but you could probably make a Venn Diagram of people who hate BD because Mark committed a heckin racism, people who hated the early fanbase, and then people who just really dislike the design of his work, and there'll be a lot of separation.
You'll see a lot of overlap in those categories, absolutely, and for some it's excuses because it's a convenient and popular target for hate, but many people just don't care about the ancillary bullshit around the mod in the slightest, be they people who are fans of it or who dislike it.

I just as much dislike the attitudes that most negative perception regarding BD is just a bunch of leftist smoke and mirrors and petty grudges, as much as I dislike the actual leftist smoke and mirrors and petty grudging.

 

[IKOL]

Getting this topic up because it's somewhat dw related, but not really

This is Perdition's Gate continuation
I once was commissioned to do some graphics job for OP, and I've done it.

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Now I'm working on remastering this shite, independently and for my own amusement, period. Well, when I do have some time for it cuz irl fucks me over with burning passion these days. Ahem... Interpic and Titlepic were redone completely, what remains are these little stripes that will be extended in size, plus endgame pic after you beat up the level pack.

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Well, I've done it at last!
It was the last doom related thing for now, shit's wrapped up and I need a fucking break from it.
TO DA GLOBGLOBGANGALAB SKITZOEMILY DRAWING!

 

[MindFlayer97]

Why do so many people in the Doom modding community have such an autistic hatred towards Brutal Doom?

Sgt Marks is a transphobic nazi!!! His mods suck! Did you know Brutal doom doesn't even use Zscript!

If Sgt Marks didn't exist, everyone would be talking about my mod, Codename Demolitionist. My tranny bot Demo-chan is so badass, so much better than doomguy. Demo's so amazing and so overpowered that she can kill a cyberdemon with her butt! She can even come back to life after being killed because I can't stand the idea of Demo getting hurt. Demo also trash talks demons like Duke Nukem, but unlike Duke, Demo is strong and independent and in her human form, has both boobs and a dick, just like me. Fuck brutal doom, Codename Demolitionist is a million times better, that's why I put a block on it when people try to play it with BD. If people played Demolitionist with BD, they might actually have fun.

Demolitionist won the cacoward back in 2020, that's how I know it's so amazing. I was also a judge at the time, but that irrelevant.

 

[IKOL]

Sgt Marks is a transphobic nazi!!! His mods suck! Did you know Brutal doom doesn't even use Zscript!

If Sgt Marks didn't exist, everyone would be talking about my mod, Codename Demolitionist. My tranny bot Demo-chan is so badass, so much better than doomguy. Demo's so amazing and so overpowered that she can kill a cyberdemon with her butt! She can even come back to life after being killed because I can't stand the idea of Demo getting hurt. Demo also trash talks demons like Duke Nukem, but unlike Duke, Demo is strong and independent and in her human form, has both boobs and a dick, just like me. Fuck brutal doom, Codename Demolitionist is a million times better, that's why I put a block on it when people try to play it with BD. If people played Demolitionist with BD, they might actually have fun.

Demolitionist won the cacoward back in 2020, that's how I know it's so amazing. I was also a judge at the time, but that irrelevant.

Listen can you knock it off with this larping? It was funny first month when marisa's noncery got uncovered, it have lost revelance now.

... Speak of the nonce.
Evidently some troon-lovin and pedo-defendin' fag have been producing videos about our well known troonworld celebs.

BUT IKOL THEY WERE DONE MONTHS AGO WHY YOU POST JUST RI~

Because I don't give a shit about the community in general after exile, first.
Second, I only have got to know about these just recently, shush!

 

[IKOL]

Happy 30th Doom anniversary, lads.
I sure do hope you're having a good one. John "Trans rights and I hepled pedos from MermaidsUP to get much money" Romero have released Sigil 2, the long awaited level pack for Doom 2... in form of yet another Doom episode.

Yet again our dear "rockstar" proves he's full of shit and can't keep his promises. Oy vey.

Also, meet the current state of cacowards (and of kulkidz, doomworld and other doom cesspits)


If you're about to vomit - you have my permission, nobody will blame you.

 

[Übermensch Doom Cuck]

You know, I was hoping for Doom Awards on Twitter, who supposedly were created to counter the cacoward biased nature, to be more fair to the newer, lesser know doom mappers but apparently, it's as biased as the cacowards but the only difference is, literally anybody can vote for it.

A shame. Not that the awards matter too much but just pointing out the inconsistency.

 

[IKOL]

You know, I was hoping for Doom Awards on Twitter, who supposedly were created to counter the cacoward biased nature, to be more fair to the newer, lesser know doom mappers but apparently, it's as biased as the cacowards but the only difference is, literally anybody can vote for it.

A shame. Not that the awards matter too much but just pointing out the inconsistency.

Oh, worry not, it was pozzed from the very beginning. Almost. Lol.

 

[IKOL]

Get some fine RDC (Russian Doom Community) love letter to Doom 30th anniversary.
Staring such names as BigMemka, Lainos, BeeWeen, Slavius[BOS], Chaingunner, etc.

DW thread (WARNING SOY ALERT) RDC Thread (CYRRILIC SLAVIC RUNES FAIR WARNING)

 

[Zacharin X]

Of course Dr. Sleep's faggot bastard son gets a mention in the "Promising Newcomers" section, even though his contribution is pathetic compared to others who got ghosted by the awards. One mediocre map with questionable design choices, like placing a fucking spider mastermind behind a door, while having only SSG to deal with it.... jesus fucking christ, what a promising newcomer indeed, how did i not realize this!!! I can name a few newbie mappers who made a ton more for the community than Hypnos in the past year, some of them released more than 10 maps (all better than that piece of shit OCTATE) and participated in community projects, but because they don't suck moderator troon dick, and they sometime share a different opinions than the bunch, they don't exist for the brain damaged narcisists. In fact, i'm afraid to mention anyone from the people i actually like, because i feel even that can get them in trouble with the mods.