Doxing Poll - What type of personal information be allowed on Kiwifarms, if any at all? - Debate on how open the forum should to disclosures of personal information

[Mr Steal Your Farm]

User @Tamara Knight, an opponent to the existence of this website in particular, but social media in general, was debating other users in the Patrick W. Gilmore thread (onion) about how private companies should not be allowed to dox private individuals. I couldn't find a Mass Debate thread on whether or not it should be allowed on Kiwifarms so I want to start one. Note: Kiwifarms is not the only website on the planet with doxes, as Destiny mentioned after his Keffals manifesto livestream: Keffal's dox originated from outside of Kiwifarms on Doxbin and was posted here.

I know that Kiwifarms is a platform and the company is not publishing doxes, but certain personal information is allowed on the website to logged in users. To be clear: I'm NOT referring to information that a cow shares himself, like when Patrick S. Tomlinson put his date of birth on his Twitter handle (onion), but information that a cow doesn't choose to share, like the pictures and locations of Chris Chan sightings post-jail (onion).

Private information is unavailable to guests, however logged in users can still see it

One of the major complaints (although certainly not the only complaint) that certain individuals have about this site is that personal information, specifically addresses, are on Kiwifarms. I do not think banning personal information would end the spergouts that cows have with Kiwifarms, or end the DDOS, or make troons stop threatening employees of Internet providers, far from it, nevertheless I think it would be good to have a conversation whether it belongs here or not.

My personal view is that legal names are fair game. However DOB, addresses, phone number, etc., don't really add to the conversation; ultimately they create a negative atmosphere on the forum and mostly result in cow tipping (onion), which is bad. Essentially, just because it is legal doesn't mean it would be good for the forum. And if some monkeyfucker is up to no good, or some troon is selling HRT to minors, I don't think the exposure from an address would be good for the forum. Ultimately, it isn't my job to enforce the law, I'm just here to laugh.

And I know the cow tipping is happening offsite, but I don't think Kiwifarms should have any relationship to it, specifically by this forum containing addresses/specific locations.

Also, there's a philosophy of doxxing thread (onion), this thread is more a poll on personal information on this forum, specifically.

 

[Spitz]

I don't care one way or the other. I'm here to laugh at retards, whether or not their dox is included doesn't change that.

 

[Harambe]

If some asshole can find it and post it here, it's gonna be somewhere else too.
If some asshole is able to find information and use it to fuck with a person's life, posting it here is just another fuck you. Dox freaks people out, but most people are retarded and don't understand how much public information their normal life generates, and why they should value and protect their privacy.

Even if it got banned tomorrow and edited out page by page, it would help nothing. The site's got the reputation it has, a lot of it based on insane false bullshit. The only legitimate possible reason for banning dox in my opinion is to keep the site up as a last resort, but it is not illegal or even unethical to post easily found information, most of which is found by public records and personal, uncoerced admissions.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

I think it's only ok to dox sexual predators and the likes. Regular weirdos are just weirdos like many of us.

 

[murph]

Social security numbers are unnecessary and run afoul of almost every kind of TOS.

Former aliases are important history since most lolcows who change their names are trying to hide their past.

I don't know if anything can be done at this point and as many people have pointed out, it's never enough.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I enjoy laughing at influencers who make stupid decisions doxing them makes them go away so it kind of ruins the fun. If they post the info they make it public though I personally don't include dox beyond legal names and maybe birth date in the OPs I do.

 

[Sprate Header]

The only correct personal information in the threat email that caused Keffals's swatting was his real name.

The overwhelming majority of people search sites will give you all the info they have on someone if you put in their name. This is even easier to achieve when you narrow the search down by age, state, and city, three things many people online are very bad about freely sharing.

The people behind Torswats have repeatedly attempted to blame us for swattings despite some of their most high-profile targets not having their doxes hosted here, or even their own dedicated discussion threads here.

When people can get swatted from their name alone, when it's this unbelievably easy to find a person's address by plugging their name into people search sites, and when the people actually doing the swattings have expressed a clear intention to continuously frame us and others for their actions, I don't think banning the posting of any personal information will do anything.

 

[Markass the Worst]

We can't control what other people do who don't even have accounts here. If there's an a-log willing to physically go to Cyraxx's house to cowtip, then he would have found his dox even if we didn't publish it.

I also believe that the only person responsible for your safety and security is yourself, unless you're a minor, and it's pointless to try and pass the responsibility to someone else. If someone doesn't want to be doxed, then they should get better opsec and take steps to remove their information from the Internet. It's not widely known but you can actually get information taken off those people search sites.

Most of the time, somebody getting fully doxed doesn't amount to anything anyways. I'd wager a good 80% of the threads with full dox end up going something like Aella - who flailed around trying to get it taken down (probably), whined about how much danger she's in and how Kiwifarms is going to get her killed, but ultimately, nothing really happened to her. It's only the rare few who have dedicated a-logs that result in trouble, like Pig Tomlinson or Cyraxx, and again we really can't do anything about them and removing the dox would change nothing. In a lot of cases, the cow gets tipped by an a-log once but then nothing ever happens to them again (like Keffals).

 

[Magicicada_septendecula]

Any information someone has voluntarily surrendered should be fair game. I can see where social security numbers, health, and financial information might be a gray area, but if the subject put it out there, they wanted it to be there and ultimately here. The same goes for information deduced from other things the subject has provided (like determining a person's location by looking at some feature of the person's doors or whatever). Hacked or otherwise illegally obtained information, even if it's a trivial thing like their dirty diaper fetish should be banned, as that may give some of the domain providers and internet backbones a seemingly legitimate justification for what they've been doing over the past year.

 

[Pruto]

Since we're already the evil alt right doxxxxxxxing website might as well not give a flying fuck.

 

[Pedophobe]

No minors, no bank accounts, no personal ID numbers.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I see that a lot of voters picked all but 3 of the options.

 

[JoshPlz]

US Legal = Should be allowed. Common sense exceptions for unfunny, uninteresting or purely undeserved & malicious shit are already applied afaik.

And if some monkeyfucker is up to no good, or some troon is selling HRT to minors, I don't think the exposure from an address would be good for the forum.

Maybe so, but exposing abhorrent, illegal activity IS good for society. Some things are worth taking risks for.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I have personally never been a fan of dox for the sake of dox. Some people probably don't "deserve" protection (zoophiles, etc) or protect their information so poorly it doesn't make sense to prevent it (Chris). But overall, I think the KF "dox by default" attitude, especially regarding home addresses, is counterproductive. It's a fairly pointless flex that brings a lot of additional heat for very little clear benefit. In theory I don't even like posting real names, except that so many of our circus freaks are trannies (where deadnaming them just makes sense) or don't have any separation between their real and online identities (if they're not hiding it, why should we?).

Despite that, Null has said several times that no service provider has asked him to remove dox as a condition of continued service. So maybe it doesn't matter as much as I think it does.

But that's just like, my opinion, man.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

I don't care one way or the other. I'm here to laugh at retards, whether or not their dox is included doesn't change that.

In a perfect world, the only people I don't care about getting doxed are pedophiles and zoophiles. Other than that, I don't think anyone's information should be public especially if it's a paywall away. I'm not retarded enough to go on a lolcow's thread and go out of my way to A-Log. It's gay and not funny.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

Lol at all the new-faggots trying to culture jam the site. Fuck off with your retarded tranny defending shit.

Edit: sneed new faggot

 

[I'm Retarded?]

I don't get the "we might as well do it since other sites are doing it" argument. if doxbin is going to get their hands dirty hosting all kinds of unnecessary personal information, then let them. the obvious exception is people who are visibly committing or supporting some kind of despicable criminal activity i.e. pedophilia, animal torture, etc., as those people rely on anonymity to insulate them from punishment for their behavior, and deserve to have it revoked as such. for random harmless weirdos like Pat or Cyraxx or Rioley etc though, it feels like a douche move. having their personal info on here doesn't add anything to their respective threads, their cursed existences are almost entirely online anyway. it doesn't matter if it's freely available - if cow tippers can find it somewhere else, let them. if somebody is just going to post it somewhere else, let them. you don't need to lick the turd just because you're surrounded by shit-eaters.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

I don't get the "we might as well do it since other sites are doing it" argument.

well hugger, what you don't understand is that since people already rape and murder, i should be able to do that as well without issue

 

[Uncle Buck]

You should realize that "dox" means whatever a person who doesn't like being considered a cow wants it to mean at any given time. Pig Sloblinson accused @Caverlock of "doxing" him by making reference to his birthdate - which pig himself placed on his own publicly visible X account. The mere fact their online activities and commentary are being discussed in a way that's at all unflattering is enough for these mental defectives to claim they're under imminent threat of "harm".

And, evidently, you've got truly stupid people out there like Mr. Gilmore who seem to think these special people deserve extreme protection in violation of all of our collective right to speak freely about the buffoonish behavior of public figures [involuntary or otherwise].

 

[AgendaPoster]

I'm not a doxing enthusiast, so I voted name/former, DoB, legal troubles, depends on cow.
However, I understand the rationale why Jersh allows it. If it's legal info, it's legal and that's it.
Lolis are legal too though, and we don't like, encourage or allow it. Just as with porn.
So IMHO if there can be additional reasoning to disallow 1A protected speech and info, doxing should not be treated as sacred either.
But this would be a complicated discussion as it would open up other debates about which speech should be treated with more caution.
Generally, I'm OK with how things are now, although I think doxes do put additional pressure on KF.
Dunno, Jersh will do what he likes anyway.