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Lies, the Viking centre there is famous nationwide. Children flock from miles around to see an animatronic of a man shitting in a prehistoric toilet.
Also, my review of Attack of the Cybermen is done:
The Sixth Doctor’s title sequence gives me a migraine whenever I see it.
“By Paula Moore”. It was mentioned earlier that there’s still a fun debate going on about who actually wrote this story since Paula Moore isn’t a real person. The name “Paula” comes from some bird Eric Saward was knocking off at the time and the claims to authorship come from her, Saward himself and the real life Abzorbaloff Ian Levine.
Personally, I think it’s likely both Saward and Levine had some kind of hand in this since it has hallmarks of both their work. The fact this is yet another rework of Earthshock is definitely Saward and the insufferable continuity references and fanwank (which would put Gary Russell to shame) were probably Levine’s. The debate over who wrote it ignores a much more important point, which I raised in Ian Levine’s thread - I don’t know why there are so many people so eager to claim this story as theirs. If I wrote this piece of shit, I wouldn’t want anyone to know about it. It’s like having to own up to being the parent of the child who had explosive diarrhoea in aisle 3.
This episode starts in a sewer. How appropriate.
Can you see anything? I can’t see a fucking thing! “There’s more bulges in here than an anti-natal clinic.”
Okay, that was a funny line.
I know they’re trying to show off an alien POV, but if the Cybermen are supposed to be super humans, why is their vision actually worse than the average human? Looks like a Commodore 64’s attempt at FMV.
Ugh, I’ve been spoiled by Big Finish recently. Seeing the Sixth Doctor on TV is a painful experience, especially after all that. He’s such an arrogant douchebag. If you’re going to do a darker Doctor try to employ more subtlety than a motorway works team.
Doctor: “Don’t be afraid. I won’t hurt you.”
You literally tried to strangle her the story before. Again, pressing x to doubt.
Yay, Lytton’s back (one of the only good things about this story). And he has a funky theme tune as well.
There’s something you don’t see every day. An unmasked Terry Molloy. Harry Hill was right, he does look like Eric Clapton:
More starpower in this episode. Brian Glover is the first of many high profile guest stars.
Doctor: “I was in fact taking you to Earth.”
Peri: “Bit of an anti-climax after that journey.”
Doctor: “Ungrateful wretch.”
Peri: “What do you expect? Applause?”
Doctor: “A little gratitude wouldn’t irretrievably damage my ego.”
This is impressive. I don’t know which one of them I hate more right now.
Hehe, nice touch having Lytton’s theme sound like someone’s farting it when he announces they’re going through the sewers.
Peri: “On Earth, Halley’s comment is always associated with impending disaster.”
Me: “Ah, that explains why it shows up during this episode.”
Come on story, you’re making it far too easy for me to drop snarky comments.
Payne (picking up the sledgehammer): “I used to use one of these when I worked for the Council.”
Lytton: “This time it’s for swinging, not leaning on.”
Another great line. If this episode had just focused on Lytton and his gang I’d like it a lot better.
The music in this episode isn’t bad as Classic Who scores go, but some of the tracks do sound like they’ve escaped from Banjo Kazooie.
Oh whoop de doo, the TARDIS has landed at Totters Lane. Is this going to have any significance to the story beyond fanservice? Fuck no.
Never fix the chameleon circuit again Doctor. Peri is right to laugh at the TARDIS’s new disguises. Although having them enter through an unseen door round the back is a nice callback to how the Master would get into his TARDIS.
It is quite creepy when Russell says they’re being followed and you can hear the Cybermen’s marching sound and it stops abruptly.
I remember hearing in the DVD commentary that they had to stuff cotton wool down Nicola Bryant’s top because it was so cold that day and they didn’t want to get in trouble with the censors at the BBC. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), the cotton wool did fuck all to fix the problem. Just thought you’d all like to know.
Lytton’s policemen are fucking useless. I thought they were supposed to be trained mercenaries, but one of them’s been taken out by a girl half his size (who couldn’t even keep the gun on him) and the other’s been beaten up by Ronald McDonald’s down on his luck brother.
Griffiths (referring to the wall): “How thick is it?”
Lytton: “Less than you.”
Like I say, they missed a trick not having this story revolve around Lytton and his gang.
The Cybermen really aren’t up to much this time round. This is the first of many times we see them get taken out by conventional Earth weapons. In The Invasion (which this story, erm... “borrows” from) it took explosive rounds and grenades to drop them.
Getting a look at the Cyber conversion process is pretty cool.
Oh cool, more special guest stars. How did they get Joe Strummer and David Gilmour to agree to star in this?:
I’m breakin’ rocks in the hot sun! I fought the law and the law won! I fought the law and the law won! :One of the other casting coups of this episode is that they got Michael Kilgarriff to reprise his role as the Cyber Controller from Tomb of the Cybermen. Trouble was, he’d visibly put on weight since then, so I shall hereafter refer to him as the Fat Controller. His helmet also looks a lot sillier than the one from Tomb of the Cybermen. That one may have looked like the Cyber equivalent of the Coneheads, but this one makes him look like the Cyber equivalent of the Wojak big brain meme.
Come to think of it, did the Doctor even meet Lytton in Resurrection of the Daleks? I’m wracking my brains, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t.
Bates: “Like you, this planet really depresses me.”
I know how you feel buddy, I know how you feel.
Another point against the Cybermen this episode. Their marksmanship has plummeted to Stormtrooper levels.
I didn’t realise this until I saw an action figure of it years later, but there’s a new variant of Cyberman in this episode called the Cyber Scout. It’s identical to a regular Cyberman, but painted pitch black, supposedly to help it blend in to the Sewer better. When I first watched this story, I thought it was just weird lighting that made them that colour, but now I know what I’m looking for, they stick out like a sore thumb in all non-sewer locations:
NOOGIE OF DOOM!:
How did the Cybermen beat the Doctor back to the TARDIS?
Once again, the TARDIS’s temporal grace only works when it needs to for the purposes of the plot (although to be fair this is not a problem exclusive to this story).
Peri’s going to die? What a shame. *sips cider*
Wait the Cyber Controller’s the exact same one from Tomb of Cybermen? Last time he got beaten to a pulp, thrown into a console and electrocuted. Motherfucker’s indestructible.
A sad trombone on the soundtrack. Sadly the Sixth Doctor era saw a lot of these.
Lytton: “I wouldn’t try sticking it into the Cyber Controller. He might try snapping your hand off.”
I’m going to avoid a joke for that one. It’s just too easy.
I can quite clearly hear one of the Cybermen in Cyber control has a thick cockney accent, even with the voice distortion. We shall call him the Cyberbloke from now on.
Don’t remember this “Rogue Cybermen” thing being a problem last time the Cybermen tried to unfreeze themselves. That’s the passage of time for you.
Cyber Leader: “The woman is unharmed. Telos is cold. She must have warmer clothing.”
How would a Cyberman even recognise that was a problem? Couldn’t they just have had Peri go off and change of her own accord? I do sort of like how the Cybermen have seen through the BBC’s stupid “for the Dads” clothing policy for Peri though. This story is one of the few that’s self-aware in that regard.
Call me a frump, but I actually prefer Peri’s more modest outfit. That pink top was too garish for my liking. The red jumpsuit’s a better look.
FUCK! That Cyberman busting out of its tomb makes me jump every time.
Did the Doctor just fling Peri towards a rogue Cyberman? What an arsehole.
Oh no, not the Cryons. You ask me having their planet nicked was too good for them. And the bubble wrap fetish continues from Resurrection of the Daleks. Funny how the Cryons were so scarce in Tomb of the Cybermen, but now they’re popping (har har!) up all over the fucking place.
Yet more guest stars. We have Blue Peter presenter and Ghostwatch star Sarah Greene, Esther Freud (Jackson Lake’s consort) and Faith Brown as Cryons. I should say I know nothing about Faith Brown except that her Wikipedia article once said she was noted for her “large, natural breasts”. Given that they’re apparent even through the Cryon outfit, I’d say that checks out. I don’t know why they hired a bunch of attractive women to play the Cryons only to cover them with bubble wrap and dress them in boiler suits. You can’t even tell who’s meant to be who.
Flast: “They intend to change history.”
Doctor: “They can’t, it’s against the laws of time.”
Thanks for that Captain Obvious.
Wait, the Cybermen wearing snow gloves wasn’t just the costume department being cheap? They actually wear them like we wear them, as clothing?
Why???
That picture the Cryons have of the Doctor looks like his Mum’s just walked in on him masturbating:
So Lytton’s now the mercenary with a heart of gold. Strange thing is, I buy it.
Not only did Doctor Who come up with the Borg years before Star Trek, they also came up with Deep Impact/Armageddon 13 years early. If the Doctor can't stop them diverting Halley's Comet, maybe Bruce Willis and Morgan Freeman can.
Wait the Time Lords actually engineered the Doctor being involved in this story all along? How? This was one of the few times he managed to land the TARDIS where he intended to.
Nobody confiscated the Doctor’s totally not the sonic screwdriver thingy before locking him up?
The Cyberman guarding the Doctor sees the door to his cell open, sees a mysterious object being pushed out and rather than shooting the Doctor or shooting the object, he tries to pick it up like a fucking moron.
A point of defence I often hear brought up for this story is it shows the Cybermen are truly evil, emotionless bastards. But thinking back, pretty much every other story involving them accomplished that same goal, so I don’t see that as a point in this story’s favour.
The Bates and Stratton storyline was an utter waste of time.
Rost: “Please remove your TARDIS from Telos before you have to be rescued again.”
Well that’s the Doctor told.
Awwww yeah, Sixth Doctor getting trigger happy. Get fucked again Tennant.
Considering the Fat Controller survived so much punishment last time, I’d imagine a blast to the chest would only put him out for a few days at best.
Doctor: “Didn’t go very well did it?”
Thanks for perfectly summarising my review of this story for me.
The key reason I dislike this story so much is because it wallows in past Cyberman stories without adding any contributions of its own. It steals ideas wholesale from The Tenth Planet, Tomb of the Cybermen and The Invasion and like with any story that leans too heavily on homage and reference, it just makes me wish I was watching the original stories instead. Say what you will about Resurrection of the Daleks, but aside from using the story structure from Earthshock (which this story also does), it was its own thing.
The Cryons are annoying, there are too many storylines which go nowhere, and the Cyber city and tombs on Telos, which were a creepy, atmospheric labyrinth in Tomb of the Cybermen, have now been made to look like some bland, functional warehouse. If they were going to copy so much from earlier Cyberman stories, the least they could have done is copy the sets too.
Killing off Lytton was a massive waste too. Maurice Colbourne is the only bright spark in this story and he could've made a great recurring frenemy. If he hadn't sadly passed away in 1989, I'm sure he'd have had his own spin-off series from Big Finish by now.
I've done a story I like and a story I don't like, so for my next review, I think I'll do a story I'm meh on. That'll be Destiny of the Daleks. Also, if anyone has any requests for future reviews, let me know.
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@TheImportantFart I'm not gonna lie, I thought you were @UnKillFill while I was reading that post
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Maybe we're all @UnKillFill.
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I for one am flattered by the comparison. But @TheImportantFart clearly knows what he's talking about far better than I do. I've only barely even scratched the surface when it comes to watching classic Who (I've seen all of Sixie on screen, for bad and worse XD, and at least a few random stories for every other Doctor, usually the more popular ones), but even in my nuWho ramblings, I rarely ever mention the actors involved or detailed behind the scenes shit like he does.
@TheImportantFart you asked for requests. I don't have a specific episode in mind, but I wouldn't mind seeing you give your opinion on nuWho episodes at some point, even ones I've already rambled about. And that goes for the several other people who have expressed interest in doing something similar, but were worried about stepping on my toes or something. The more the merrier!
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Aw shucks. I actually copied your review style for the two most recent ones I did, but took on a more peanut gallery approach as I thought this was more fun than the analytical style I've adopted in the past. I add that sort of thing on to the end so people can get a summary of what I actually thought of the episode.
The behind the scenes knowledge is because I used to harbour ambitions of being a professional screenwriter and wanted to write for Doctor Who, so I got interested in how the show was actually made. I picked up a lot of the facts I know from the extras and commentaries on the DVDs, various behind the scenes books and too many misspent hours on Wikipedia and TARDIS Data Core.
One thing I think's been lost with the advent of the internet and everything being available on streaming is that it's too easy to find stuff out now. That may sound elitist of me, but in the days before I had high speed internet, all my knowledge of Classic Who came from picking up whatever DVDs I could find at the store and mining the special features for all they were worth. It was fun slowly piecing everything together. I also had an excellent reference book called Doctor Who: The Legend Continues which contained details of every story up to "The Parting of the Ways" (it was released in 2005). Waiting for the stories I'd read about in there to be released on DVD made watching them a more exciting experience and since I didn't know the release schedule, it was pot luck they'd have something new whenever I happened to be out shopping.
Still, I'm sure the generation ahead of me complained about us whippersnappers having everything on video/DVD while they had to read the novelisations and show up to conventions to hear the actors/production staff share their behind the scenes stories.
Hm, I don't have as much to say about individual NuWho episodes as I do for the Classic Series, but I'll have a think and see if there's any episodes I could talk about.
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The Sea Devils - Part One
Let's go back in time. Not, in a Tardis, but through the even more evocative machinery of memory. It's 1972, Edward Heath is Conservative Prime Minister of the UK, Elizabeth the II is a sprightly 46 year old and the populace of the UK don't yet know that she's incapable of dying. The Sixties have settled down into the slight hangover of the Seventies but there's still Abba to look forward to and the real female regeneration of the Master, Margaret Thatcher has just abolished free milk for school children. In a few more years she'll have won the leadership of her party and Labour unionists in offices across the North of England will celebrate on the grounds that 'they'll never elect a WOMAN as Prime Minister'. So there's still plenty to look forward to before the ~pit of despair~ Eighties. That mix of hard times and optimism couldn't be captured better than in the almost total lack of budget for British Sci-Fi and people's determination to make it anyway. Something that sums up much of the Pertwee era!
The first thing I notice on firing up the DVD is that there are SIX episodes in this story. NuWho considers it an extravagance to stretch a story out to two episodes. I don't think any NuWho has gone for more than three for a single story. But then they hadn't discovered the "season arc" back in the 1970s. This story's call back to The Silurians was probably considered bold when they wrote it. In any case, I feel a little daunted pressing play on the first episode having committed to my review only to realise how much lies ahead. But I'm reassured when the Third Doctor era theme tune begins - a little more upbeat than the First Doctor but still very alien - a nice bridge between the relatable and the strange, which the Third Doctor is himself. As if to make the point, Pertwee's smiling visage gazes out benevolently at the viewer - remember when the Doctor's face used to appear like that? They did it all the way up until Nine by which point I guess such overt impositions were considered crass.
Our story opens properly on a ship's captain making a mayday call. He's being very British about things - calm and well-spoken. At first I think that it's just because that's how theatre was done in the day but thinking it over further it occurs to me that people of that time would simply not have respected a man who wailed and made a fuss. So perhaps it's less about the actors being staid so much as knowing their audience itself was made of sterner stuff. In any case, the scene is short and ends with a solitary green claw seen on camera at the end.
From there it's a quick jump across to our heroes the Doctor and Jo cruising a long in a boat. Where are they going and why? We'll have to wait almost five minutes to find out! Where is the exposition? The little vignettes to fill us in? They expected us to INVEST our time back then. Or maybe it's the lack of budget. In either case, they chose to accompany all of this with lots of computer farting music which probably sounded eerie and strange back then. This was before the Eighties so they really were ahead of their time. Now it sounds a bit OTT, but there you go.
So now some dialogue tells us that they're here to check on the Master who has been imprisoned here after his previous escapades. There really has been an extraordinary inflation in Time Lord powers over the years. Can you imagine the Simm Master or Missy being held in a human prison by ordinary British army types? Jo looks cute in a white and purple flared trouser suit, by the way. "Josephine Grant" she introduces herself. But I still and always will miss Liz Shaw who had one of the best companion departures of all, departing off screen and leaving it for the Brigadier to relay her feelings that "all the Doctor wants is someone to hold his testubes and tell him how clever he is."
Liz, we hardly knew ye. *sniff*
So they arrive on a little island to meet the official in charge who assures them all is well and the Master is securely contained. He even arranges a little demonstration of his "hypnosis-immune guards".
Also, now is a good time to comment on how sassy this Doctor is, making little cracks about the Master putting on weight and snarky digs at the colonel in charge. I think prior to Four, they hadn't really decided what Regeneration was and I think Pertwee was very much trying to play the character the same way Troughton was. They are different of course but there's a lot of similarity in how they speak. I think only after Tom Baker pretty much just refused to play the character any other way than he felt like, did they start to lean into this idea of the personality actually changing significantly. It's a genius idea, once you think about it.
A few other things strike the modern eye like the casual "after you, me dear" of the prison colonel. It makes me wonder how people at the time saw it. He does turn out to be a bad guy so was he supposed to come across as a little creepy or was that just normal for the time. Hard to say.
In any case, the Doctor and the Master have a little chat with the Master claiming he has reformed. The Doctor tries to get the Master to reveal where his Tardis is but the Master isn't having it, accusing the Doctor of just wanting it so he can get off this planet. I'd almost forgotten that the Time Lords had punished this Doctor by stranding him on Earth and his main motivation through this season was to get it working again. Scratch what I said about season arcs earlier - they clearly did have some idea of them. Notable though that Jo. privately tells the Doctor the question about the Master's Tardis was just an excuse and really he just wanted to see how the Master was doing. We also learn that other people wanted to execute the Master but the Doctor argued for imprisonment. Awwwwwww.
Side note, why do the cars in this place not have doors? Are they supposed to be futuristic?
So we get some more conversation about missing ships and charred bottoms (of the boats, you pervs) and the Doctor shamelessly bribes the boatman who brought them over to take a little walk with what looks to be several ten pound notes while he takes the boat over to the nearby naval base to investigate. Fun exchange:
We now cut away to the naval base where the man in charge is dictating a message to his rather tasty naval secretary followed by the Doctor getting himself arrested for inspecting bottoms (of boats, you pervs!). Meanwhile Jo having learned that the Doctor has absconded with the boat bribes the very same boatman for a loan of his motorbike. It's a lucrative day for this fellow - just a string of strangers thrusting ten pound notes at him. Maybe I was wrong about this place being an island if Jo can get to the base by motorbike, Or else Jo can hold her breath for a very long time. (Now there's a thought! )
Okay, this is hysterical. Back in the prison, the Master is watching The Clangers on TV. THE CLANGERS! For non-Brits and young 'uns, the Clangers were a popular kids TV show. The Teletubbies of their day. Come to think of it the Teletubbies were years ago. Who are the teletubbies of *today*? The Master mistakenly thinks he's receiving an alien broadcast. Fantastic.
The Master is strangely avuncular, by the way. Like the Doctor, he seems to have been quite mellow in his early hundreds.
Line from the Doctor: "Horatio Nelson was a personal friend of mine!" Foreshadowing of Eight's manic name-dropping there.
Meanwhile we see two hapless people manning a deserted naval station they're converting to a research base. Oh dear, I know where this is going - yep, I was right. A sea devil fatally interrupts poker night and we finally get our glimpse of one. It looks strangely like a 7' gerbil made of leather and wearing a blue nightie.
I now understand why the captain in the opening was horrified.
Let's go back in time. Not, in a Tardis, but through the even more evocative machinery of memory. It's 1972, Edward Heath is Conservative Prime Minister of the UK, Elizabeth the II is a sprightly 46 year old and the populace of the UK don't yet know that she's incapable of dying. The Sixties have settled down into the slight hangover of the Seventies but there's still Abba to look forward to and the real female regeneration of the Master, Margaret Thatcher has just abolished free milk for school children. In a few more years she'll have won the leadership of her party and Labour unionists in offices across the North of England will celebrate on the grounds that 'they'll never elect a WOMAN as Prime Minister'. So there's still plenty to look forward to before the ~pit of despair~ Eighties. That mix of hard times and optimism couldn't be captured better than in the almost total lack of budget for British Sci-Fi and people's determination to make it anyway. Something that sums up much of the Pertwee era!
The first thing I notice on firing up the DVD is that there are SIX episodes in this story. NuWho considers it an extravagance to stretch a story out to two episodes. I don't think any NuWho has gone for more than three for a single story. But then they hadn't discovered the "season arc" back in the 1970s. This story's call back to The Silurians was probably considered bold when they wrote it. In any case, I feel a little daunted pressing play on the first episode having committed to my review only to realise how much lies ahead. But I'm reassured when the Third Doctor era theme tune begins - a little more upbeat than the First Doctor but still very alien - a nice bridge between the relatable and the strange, which the Third Doctor is himself. As if to make the point, Pertwee's smiling visage gazes out benevolently at the viewer - remember when the Doctor's face used to appear like that? They did it all the way up until Nine by which point I guess such overt impositions were considered crass.
Our story opens properly on a ship's captain making a mayday call. He's being very British about things - calm and well-spoken. At first I think that it's just because that's how theatre was done in the day but thinking it over further it occurs to me that people of that time would simply not have respected a man who wailed and made a fuss. So perhaps it's less about the actors being staid so much as knowing their audience itself was made of sterner stuff. In any case, the scene is short and ends with a solitary green claw seen on camera at the end.
From there it's a quick jump across to our heroes the Doctor and Jo cruising a long in a boat. Where are they going and why? We'll have to wait almost five minutes to find out! Where is the exposition? The little vignettes to fill us in? They expected us to INVEST our time back then. Or maybe it's the lack of budget. In either case, they chose to accompany all of this with lots of computer farting music which probably sounded eerie and strange back then. This was before the Eighties so they really were ahead of their time. Now it sounds a bit OTT, but there you go.
So now some dialogue tells us that they're here to check on the Master who has been imprisoned here after his previous escapades. There really has been an extraordinary inflation in Time Lord powers over the years. Can you imagine the Simm Master or Missy being held in a human prison by ordinary British army types? Jo looks cute in a white and purple flared trouser suit, by the way. "Josephine Grant" she introduces herself. But I still and always will miss Liz Shaw who had one of the best companion departures of all, departing off screen and leaving it for the Brigadier to relay her feelings that "all the Doctor wants is someone to hold his testubes and tell him how clever he is."
Liz, we hardly knew ye. *sniff*
So they arrive on a little island to meet the official in charge who assures them all is well and the Master is securely contained. He even arranges a little demonstration of his "hypnosis-immune guards".
Also, now is a good time to comment on how sassy this Doctor is, making little cracks about the Master putting on weight and snarky digs at the colonel in charge. I think prior to Four, they hadn't really decided what Regeneration was and I think Pertwee was very much trying to play the character the same way Troughton was. They are different of course but there's a lot of similarity in how they speak. I think only after Tom Baker pretty much just refused to play the character any other way than he felt like, did they start to lean into this idea of the personality actually changing significantly. It's a genius idea, once you think about it.
A few other things strike the modern eye like the casual "after you, me dear" of the prison colonel. It makes me wonder how people at the time saw it. He does turn out to be a bad guy so was he supposed to come across as a little creepy or was that just normal for the time. Hard to say.
In any case, the Doctor and the Master have a little chat with the Master claiming he has reformed. The Doctor tries to get the Master to reveal where his Tardis is but the Master isn't having it, accusing the Doctor of just wanting it so he can get off this planet. I'd almost forgotten that the Time Lords had punished this Doctor by stranding him on Earth and his main motivation through this season was to get it working again. Scratch what I said about season arcs earlier - they clearly did have some idea of them. Notable though that Jo. privately tells the Doctor the question about the Master's Tardis was just an excuse and really he just wanted to see how the Master was doing. We also learn that other people wanted to execute the Master but the Doctor argued for imprisonment. Awwwwwww.
Side note, why do the cars in this place not have doors? Are they supposed to be futuristic?
So we get some more conversation about missing ships and charred bottoms (of the boats, you pervs) and the Doctor shamelessly bribes the boatman who brought them over to take a little walk with what looks to be several ten pound notes while he takes the boat over to the nearby naval base to investigate. Fun exchange:
We now cut away to the naval base where the man in charge is dictating a message to his rather tasty naval secretary followed by the Doctor getting himself arrested for inspecting bottoms (of boats, you pervs!). Meanwhile Jo having learned that the Doctor has absconded with the boat bribes the very same boatman for a loan of his motorbike. It's a lucrative day for this fellow - just a string of strangers thrusting ten pound notes at him. Maybe I was wrong about this place being an island if Jo can get to the base by motorbike, Or else Jo can hold her breath for a very long time. (Now there's a thought! )
Okay, this is hysterical. Back in the prison, the Master is watching The Clangers on TV. THE CLANGERS! For non-Brits and young 'uns, the Clangers were a popular kids TV show. The Teletubbies of their day. Come to think of it the Teletubbies were years ago. Who are the teletubbies of *today*? The Master mistakenly thinks he's receiving an alien broadcast. Fantastic.
The Master is strangely avuncular, by the way. Like the Doctor, he seems to have been quite mellow in his early hundreds.
Line from the Doctor: "Horatio Nelson was a personal friend of mine!" Foreshadowing of Eight's manic name-dropping there.
Meanwhile we see two hapless people manning a deserted naval station they're converting to a research base. Oh dear, I know where this is going - yep, I was right. A sea devil fatally interrupts poker night and we finally get our glimpse of one. It looks strangely like a 7' gerbil made of leather and wearing a blue nightie.
I now understand why the captain in the opening was horrified.
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Gonna inject some nerdy tidbits to @Overly Serious's excellent review:
The good news is, Caroline's daughter's done quite a good job resurrecting the character for Big Finish and Caroline herself did a couple of stories for them before she passed away in 2012. I strongly recommend checking out the Companion Chronicles range if you want to hear more of her, particularly the story "The Blue Tooth".
The reason Classic Who used to have such long stories, particularly in the 60s and 70s wasn't always strictly for story purposes, it was also a costs saving excercise. They had a set number of episodes they needed to produce every season, but only so much money and in those circumstances, it's more cost effective to do a few long stories with the same sets and costumes than it is to do a lot of shorter stories where you have to come up with new sets and costumes for each one.
The score for this story was composed by Malcolm Clarke, who also scored Attack of the Cybermen which I noted also had a few flatulent riffs. With this story, Clarke had essentially got his hands on a synthesizer for the first time and abused the hell out of it. The finished score isn't what he initially composed - Barry Letts insisted on substantial edits before it was finalised and even at the time the finished product was considered weird, so I can only imagine what the original version sounded like.
They got rid of Caroline John because she got pregnant after her first season and because her character was considered too smart, so the in-universe explanation is actually very similar to the IRL one. It's a huge shame because she's one of the most underrated companions in the show's history. She was clever and self-reliant without being insufferable and she had really good chemistry with the Doctor. In a lot of ways she was ahead of her time. It's quite impressive they went in that direction with the character considering Caroline John got the part because the producers saw a photo of her in a bikini (which sadly seems to be lost to the mists of time).
The good news is, Caroline's daughter's done quite a good job resurrecting the character for Big Finish and Caroline herself did a couple of stories for them before she passed away in 2012. I strongly recommend checking out the Companion Chronicles range if you want to hear more of her, particularly the story "The Blue Tooth".
IIRC, it's implied that he has the hots for Jo. There's a tragic scene where he offers his hand to her and she completely completely ignores him and the look on his face is heartbreaking.
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Am i the only one who wants James May to be the next doctor?
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Thanks for the wealth of information and recommendations. I might check out that The Blue Tooth, in that case. I also now have an answer to the perennial question of Who fandom of "Where would you go if you really had a TARDIS". Back in time to track down that lost photo of Caroline John in a bikini.
Now you tell me that it was the first time the composer had gotten hold of a synthesizer the score makes a lot more sense. The guy just can't resist slapping it on any scene where there's no dialogue.
I will support this on one and only one condition. After regenerating from Jodie-Doctor he looks in a mirror and says: "not everyone can afford the upgrade."
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An interesting addenum to that question is if you could only bring back either that photo or every episode of Classic Who that was wiped, which would you choose?I also now have an answer to the perennial question of Who fandom of "Where would you go if you really had a TARDIS". Back in time to track down that lost photo of Caroline John in a bikini.
Every red blooded male knows the correct answer:
Non-animation Power of the Daleks Blu-Ray fuck yes.
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Since I just got the special edition of Power of the Daleks, I just started re-watching classic Doctor Who starting at season 4. If it was 5 or 10 years ago my options would be narrated audio only or some recons of dubious quality if I could find them. Now four episodes have full or partial official animated recons. One has 2 eps and 2 telesnap recons and only one is 100% missing. In a couple weeks I should have the fury recon too.
Hopefully they can squeeze out 3 more animated Troughton recons in the next couple years.
Hopefully they can squeeze out 3 more animated Troughton recons in the next couple years.
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I loved the recreation that the fan did of Mission to the Unknown. It felt like old school scifi fans (the ones that have been replaced by the hanger-ons and fake fans) had access to the internet and went wild. The style was so dead on, I wish there was more of an effort to replace the junked episodes with similar material. Or even something brand new, just in that wonder kitsch, lowfi style.
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Well it appears that I have some competition now, heh. Will this cause me to step up my game? Probably not tbh. lol
With all of that said, this episode I'm about to rewatch is one of the main ones I think of when I say 10 and Rose brought out the worst in each other, and acted like a couple of assholes together. Let's see if I was right or not: Tooth & Claw
-This episode starts out with, what appear to be Tibetan monks. Scottish Tibetan monks in fact. Alright episode, you have my attention.
These monks want this guy's house for some reason and kick all kinds of ass to get it. Right on.
Also, what a great cold open. It's a shame you put the werewolf in last weeks "next time" trailer, or I'd be genuinely wondering what was in the cage.
-I don't mind 10 speaking with Tennant's natural accent. But this is the second episode in a row where Rose uses a cartoonishly bad fake accent. Get better jokes RTD.
-Doctor James McCrimmon. I see what you did there episode, and I like it.
-Considering that she literally just dodged an assassination attempt, Queen Victoria is awfully quick to trust a "naked" woman, and equally odd man who just so happened to be out here in the middle of nowhere just because he had a slip of paper that says he's there to protect her.
-Ok this shit, this shit right here is what I remember most about this episode. Rose and 10 have this little side bet going on for the rest of the episode, over whether or not Rose can get Queen Victoria to say "We are not amused." It's starts out benign enough, but in the very next scene Rose is being an obnoxious little shit over it.
Victoria: It's my first visit to this house. My late husband spoke of it often. The Torchwood Estate. Now, shall we go inside? And please excuse the naked girl.
Rose: Sorry.
10: She's a feral child. I bought her for sixpence in old London Town. It's was her or the Elephant Man.
Rose: He thinks he's funny but I'm so *not amused*. What do you think, Ma'am?
Me: I think you're lucky she doesn't order your execution, but that's just me.
-Haha, 10 just said that the telescope this guy's dad died building is shit. What the fuck? I love 10 now. (Not really)
-Rose upends the conversation again to try to get Queen Victoria to say that she isn't amused again. 10's face says it all.
-Queen Victoria is talking at length about her late husband, Prince Albert.
-Victoria has finally had enough of Rose's "nakedness" and calls for somebody to find some more proper attire for her. Rose tries her luck a third time, asking the Queen whether or not her nakedness is amusing. Hilarity does not ensue.
-The Scottish Tibetan monks, who I'm just now realizing that we've barely seen since the opening, are cooking up some sort of sleeping draught for the soldiers, while Rose pretends to try on dresses. What an odd juxtaposition.
-Rose found a servant girl hiding in a dresser and... displays something I would almost call human emotion if I didn't know her character better. And she gets her ass kidnapped for it.
We do get this funny bit of dialogue though:
Lead Scottish Tibetan Monk: Your companion begs an apology, Doctor. Her clothing has somewhat delayed her.
10: Oh, that's all right. Save her a wee bit of ham.
Victoria: The feral child could probably eat it raw.
Me: haha, Queen Victoria thinks you're a stupid savage, Rose.
-It doesn't make sense to me that the Monks kidnapped Rose when they did. I know Rose is thick, but surely she isn't so thick that she doesn't realize how dresses work. It's just bizarre to me that 10 doesn't even seem to care that she's been gone so long, but I guess his interest is piqued by the ghost stories.
-Ok that wolf transformation was genuinely unsettling, but who the hell opened the door to shine the moon on him? If it was one of the monks, they didn't show it. Head monk started praying in a different room and the door just popped open.
-Queen Victoria just pulled a pistol on lead Scottish Tibetan monk. I chuckled.
"The correct form of address is 'your majesty', " (bang) should be right up there with all the other top action movie one liners, haha. They shot this in a really wonky way, but we don't see lead Scottish Tibetan monk again after this, so I'm pretty sure he just died. Right on.
-The guy who got his ass kicked by the monks in the first scene of this episode just died because he didn't retreat like 10 suggested. He seemed like an idiot anyway.
-10 just referred to the Scottish Tibetan monks guarding the windows with machine guns as "monkey boys". Oh man, I wish this episode had happened in the current age of forced BBC diversity hires, where half of them would have had to be black by default. That probably wouldn't have gone over well.
-Hey Rose, everyone is hiding for their lives from a killer alien wolf monster. Do you maybe have a question that you want to ask the queen who's stuck in here with you? Maybe one about whether or not this situation amuses her perhaps? I kid, I kid. I really don't though.
*Literally 5 seconds later*
-Guy who runs this house: I'm sorry, Ma'am. It's all my fault. I should have sent you away. I tried to suggest something was wrong. I thought you might notice. Did you think there was nothing strange about my household staff?
10: Well, they were bald, athletic. Your wife's away, I just thought you were happy.
Me: Alright, that line was kind of funn...
...Rose: I'll tell you what though, Ma'am, I bet you're not amused now.
Me: No Rose. Oh my fucking god no. Go fuck yourself. People have literally died tonight. *YOU* may still even die tonight for all you know, and you're still pulling this shit? Out of all the shitty things Rose has done *so far*, this has to be the worst to me. (again, *so far.*)
-The one thing this episode has going for it, is right after Rose pulls this shit again, Queen Victoria actually calls her out on her bullshit.
Rose: I'll tell you what though, Ma'am, I bet you're not amused now.
Victoria: Do you think this is funny?
Rose: No, Ma'am. I'm sorry.
Me: I'm still mad, because Rose is still a horrible cunt who didn't learn her lesson and didn't care that some unnamed dude literally just died keeping her sorry ass safe.
-Wait.. So, being able to believably change your accent on the fly is a mark of deception? (I'm not going to even pretend to be an accent expert. I didn't even really notice when 10 switched back from his native Scottish one to the accent he's been putting on so far as the Doctor until he was called out for it, but seeing as how I know for a fact that *any* time we hear Tennant with the "English" (and I know there are many of these, please forgive me for not caring) accent is the real lie... This is just a stupid line and a stupid plot point.
Yes Queen Victoria, people can easily change their accent, it's called acting. I'm sure it existed, even in your time.
-Was mistletoe what the monks were cooking up to make that sleeping draught ealier? That seems to be what the episode is saying here. I don't think mistletoe can make people instantly fall asleep though... It can't even make pretty ladies want to kiss me at Christmas, believe me I tried - _-.
-Even if it could, what are the odds that the one random plant that those monks brewed up to make some of the guards pass out, and left strewn all about the kitchen, was also the Werewolf's weakness? Whatever though.
-Ok, so Queen Victoria was traveling with the Koh-I-Noor diamond... For reasons that tbh sound pretty retarded to me. Apparently she travels *every year* to have the diamond recut, because they've never done it right before. It used to be 40% bigger (this part actually seems to be true) but they're apparently so shit at their job that it has to keep getting recut every year (This part does not seem to be historically accurate). Why exactly do you keep going back to them if they're so obviously bad at their jobs? Regardless though Victoria, you're the bloody queen, why not have them come to you?
-Oh, I guess the Diamond just so happened to be just the exact right size and shape to turn the shitty telescope into a machine that can turn the moonlight (Which is what gave the alien "wolf" power in the first place) into what ultimately kills it. No episode, I'm not buying this. I was actually kind of enjoying you before this shit resolution. Seeing as how Victoria has had it recut every year, I guess it's a good thing that this episode happened tonight, and not before or after when the diamond would have been a different shape and wouldn't have fit in the shitty telescope.
-They're trying to pull this stupid "did she or didn't she get scratched or bit by the wolf?" thing with Queen Victoria, but we never saw her get scratched or bit, and there really wasn't any time where she could have been. She says she got cut by a splinter of wood, and even though this shot was badly filmed to make it look like she's lying, I honestly believe her. If only because the opposite (which I think this episode is trying to say is true) is really really dumb.
-I'm not entirely sure why 10 is getting knighted and Rose is getting whatever the equivalent is for a woman, but was Rose really just ladyknighted as "Dame Rose of the Powell Estate"? Isn't "The Powell estate" that shitty low income apartment (Oh, I'm sorry "flat") complex where Rose and Jackie live? hahaha.
-10 is telling Victoria that he thinks Albert cut the diamond to save her life, but this is obviously bullshit. Again, this episode said that Victoria made an annual pilgrimage to have the diamond recut (which admittedly seems to be a fiction made up for this episode but still), He had been dead for over a decade by the time of this episode. Prince Albert didn't do shit. He couldn't even get out of that fucking can by himself.
-This bit of obvious bullshit from 10 does *not amuse* Queen Victoria, and she says as much. Making Rose give an absolutely tone deaf cheer as I guess she just won herself 10 quid, but jesus fucking christ Rose. Multiple innocent people are dead because of what happened tonight you absolute cunt. How could you possibly be so insensitive? This entire running gag of the episode was terrible (Apparently history isn't even sure whether or not the real Queen Victoria even said this line or not.) Even IF she did, it probably wasn't in this context.
-Queen Victoria just banished 10 and Rose from, "The Empire, never to return. " That obviously isn't going to stick, but it still seems like a massive over reaction to me, and then she creates "the Torchwood institute" to stick it to the Doctor if he ever shows up again. I guess it's a good thing that we've never seen the Doctor on Earth between the late 1870's and 'present day'. Oh wait...
Yeah, this ending was pretty dumb.
-This episode is trying to say that Hemophilia- a real, if rare, disease that affects plenty of real life people in the world, is a werewolf disease from space that made the Royal family (and I guess everyone else who has it?) into werewolves. It also hypothesizes that Queen Victoria's children (who were all born long before this episode takes place, so they couldn't have inherited it from her) are all werewolves too because "she gave them a quick nip." I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that hemophilia isn't transmissible through biting, oh and I'm also pretty sure that it doesn't turn you into a fucking werewolf, it just stops your blood from clotting if you get cut, which seems pretty fucking horrific in its own right to me. Fuck you episode.
-Why the fuck were the Scottish Tibetan monks even in this episode in the first place? After that admittedly cool opening scene that was never followed up on after the titles, they could have been literally anybody else and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference.
-There was a lot of dumb in this episode, but I still liked it a lot better than New Earth, but I really do have to say it one last time because that ending was bad enough to leave me with a proverbial bad taste in my mouth: Go fuck yourself episode.
Oh man... The next episode is gonna have the return of a character we haven't gotten to see for a while, a character who got unceremoniously dumped the last time we did see them. A character who will finally get the chance to prove themself against Rose Tyler. I am of course talking about the return of Mickey Smith! Oh, and I guess Sarah Jane Smith will be there too... Yay. it's School Reunion!
Originally, my intention with these ramblings was to see if I had misjudged Rose Tyler, and to a certain extent the 9th Doctor- which yeah I kind of did. I was planning on stopping at the end of series 2, which I still believe to be the worst of early nuwho overall (obviously not counting the show lately), even though I haven't seen it all the way through in about a decade. These ramblings seem to be going over fairly well though, so I am considering going on through the end of RTD's tenure of the show, we'll see.
With all of that said, this episode I'm about to rewatch is one of the main ones I think of when I say 10 and Rose brought out the worst in each other, and acted like a couple of assholes together. Let's see if I was right or not: Tooth & Claw
-This episode starts out with, what appear to be Tibetan monks. Scottish Tibetan monks in fact. Alright episode, you have my attention.
These monks want this guy's house for some reason and kick all kinds of ass to get it. Right on.
Also, what a great cold open. It's a shame you put the werewolf in last weeks "next time" trailer, or I'd be genuinely wondering what was in the cage.
-I don't mind 10 speaking with Tennant's natural accent. But this is the second episode in a row where Rose uses a cartoonishly bad fake accent. Get better jokes RTD.
-Doctor James McCrimmon. I see what you did there episode, and I like it.
-Considering that she literally just dodged an assassination attempt, Queen Victoria is awfully quick to trust a "naked" woman, and equally odd man who just so happened to be out here in the middle of nowhere just because he had a slip of paper that says he's there to protect her.
-Ok this shit, this shit right here is what I remember most about this episode. Rose and 10 have this little side bet going on for the rest of the episode, over whether or not Rose can get Queen Victoria to say "We are not amused." It's starts out benign enough, but in the very next scene Rose is being an obnoxious little shit over it.
Victoria: It's my first visit to this house. My late husband spoke of it often. The Torchwood Estate. Now, shall we go inside? And please excuse the naked girl.
Rose: Sorry.
10: She's a feral child. I bought her for sixpence in old London Town. It's was her or the Elephant Man.
Rose: He thinks he's funny but I'm so *not amused*. What do you think, Ma'am?
Me: I think you're lucky she doesn't order your execution, but that's just me.
-Haha, 10 just said that the telescope this guy's dad died building is shit. What the fuck? I love 10 now. (Not really)
-Rose upends the conversation again to try to get Queen Victoria to say that she isn't amused again. 10's face says it all.
-Queen Victoria is talking at length about her late husband, Prince Albert.
-Victoria has finally had enough of Rose's "nakedness" and calls for somebody to find some more proper attire for her. Rose tries her luck a third time, asking the Queen whether or not her nakedness is amusing. Hilarity does not ensue.
-The Scottish Tibetan monks, who I'm just now realizing that we've barely seen since the opening, are cooking up some sort of sleeping draught for the soldiers, while Rose pretends to try on dresses. What an odd juxtaposition.
-Rose found a servant girl hiding in a dresser and... displays something I would almost call human emotion if I didn't know her character better. And she gets her ass kidnapped for it.
We do get this funny bit of dialogue though:
Lead Scottish Tibetan Monk: Your companion begs an apology, Doctor. Her clothing has somewhat delayed her.
10: Oh, that's all right. Save her a wee bit of ham.
Victoria: The feral child could probably eat it raw.
Me: haha, Queen Victoria thinks you're a stupid savage, Rose.
-It doesn't make sense to me that the Monks kidnapped Rose when they did. I know Rose is thick, but surely she isn't so thick that she doesn't realize how dresses work. It's just bizarre to me that 10 doesn't even seem to care that she's been gone so long, but I guess his interest is piqued by the ghost stories.
-Ok that wolf transformation was genuinely unsettling, but who the hell opened the door to shine the moon on him? If it was one of the monks, they didn't show it. Head monk started praying in a different room and the door just popped open.
-Queen Victoria just pulled a pistol on lead Scottish Tibetan monk. I chuckled.
"The correct form of address is 'your majesty', " (bang) should be right up there with all the other top action movie one liners, haha. They shot this in a really wonky way, but we don't see lead Scottish Tibetan monk again after this, so I'm pretty sure he just died. Right on.
-The guy who got his ass kicked by the monks in the first scene of this episode just died because he didn't retreat like 10 suggested. He seemed like an idiot anyway.
-10 just referred to the Scottish Tibetan monks guarding the windows with machine guns as "monkey boys". Oh man, I wish this episode had happened in the current age of forced BBC diversity hires, where half of them would have had to be black by default. That probably wouldn't have gone over well.
-Hey Rose, everyone is hiding for their lives from a killer alien wolf monster. Do you maybe have a question that you want to ask the queen who's stuck in here with you? Maybe one about whether or not this situation amuses her perhaps? I kid, I kid. I really don't though.
*Literally 5 seconds later*
-Guy who runs this house: I'm sorry, Ma'am. It's all my fault. I should have sent you away. I tried to suggest something was wrong. I thought you might notice. Did you think there was nothing strange about my household staff?
10: Well, they were bald, athletic. Your wife's away, I just thought you were happy.
Me: Alright, that line was kind of funn...
...Rose: I'll tell you what though, Ma'am, I bet you're not amused now.
Me: No Rose. Oh my fucking god no. Go fuck yourself. People have literally died tonight. *YOU* may still even die tonight for all you know, and you're still pulling this shit? Out of all the shitty things Rose has done *so far*, this has to be the worst to me. (again, *so far.*)
-The one thing this episode has going for it, is right after Rose pulls this shit again, Queen Victoria actually calls her out on her bullshit.
Rose: I'll tell you what though, Ma'am, I bet you're not amused now.
Victoria: Do you think this is funny?
Rose: No, Ma'am. I'm sorry.
Me: I'm still mad, because Rose is still a horrible cunt who didn't learn her lesson and didn't care that some unnamed dude literally just died keeping her sorry ass safe.
-Wait.. So, being able to believably change your accent on the fly is a mark of deception? (I'm not going to even pretend to be an accent expert. I didn't even really notice when 10 switched back from his native Scottish one to the accent he's been putting on so far as the Doctor until he was called out for it, but seeing as how I know for a fact that *any* time we hear Tennant with the "English" (and I know there are many of these, please forgive me for not caring) accent is the real lie... This is just a stupid line and a stupid plot point.
Yes Queen Victoria, people can easily change their accent, it's called acting. I'm sure it existed, even in your time.
-Was mistletoe what the monks were cooking up to make that sleeping draught ealier? That seems to be what the episode is saying here. I don't think mistletoe can make people instantly fall asleep though... It can't even make pretty ladies want to kiss me at Christmas, believe me I tried - _-.
-Even if it could, what are the odds that the one random plant that those monks brewed up to make some of the guards pass out, and left strewn all about the kitchen, was also the Werewolf's weakness? Whatever though.
-Ok, so Queen Victoria was traveling with the Koh-I-Noor diamond... For reasons that tbh sound pretty retarded to me. Apparently she travels *every year* to have the diamond recut, because they've never done it right before. It used to be 40% bigger (this part actually seems to be true) but they're apparently so shit at their job that it has to keep getting recut every year (This part does not seem to be historically accurate). Why exactly do you keep going back to them if they're so obviously bad at their jobs? Regardless though Victoria, you're the bloody queen, why not have them come to you?
-Oh, I guess the Diamond just so happened to be just the exact right size and shape to turn the shitty telescope into a machine that can turn the moonlight (Which is what gave the alien "wolf" power in the first place) into what ultimately kills it. No episode, I'm not buying this. I was actually kind of enjoying you before this shit resolution. Seeing as how Victoria has had it recut every year, I guess it's a good thing that this episode happened tonight, and not before or after when the diamond would have been a different shape and wouldn't have fit in the shitty telescope.
-They're trying to pull this stupid "did she or didn't she get scratched or bit by the wolf?" thing with Queen Victoria, but we never saw her get scratched or bit, and there really wasn't any time where she could have been. She says she got cut by a splinter of wood, and even though this shot was badly filmed to make it look like she's lying, I honestly believe her. If only because the opposite (which I think this episode is trying to say is true) is really really dumb.
-I'm not entirely sure why 10 is getting knighted and Rose is getting whatever the equivalent is for a woman, but was Rose really just ladyknighted as "Dame Rose of the Powell Estate"? Isn't "The Powell estate" that shitty low income apartment (Oh, I'm sorry "flat") complex where Rose and Jackie live? hahaha.
-10 is telling Victoria that he thinks Albert cut the diamond to save her life, but this is obviously bullshit. Again, this episode said that Victoria made an annual pilgrimage to have the diamond recut (which admittedly seems to be a fiction made up for this episode but still), He had been dead for over a decade by the time of this episode. Prince Albert didn't do shit. He couldn't even get out of that fucking can by himself.
-This bit of obvious bullshit from 10 does *not amuse* Queen Victoria, and she says as much. Making Rose give an absolutely tone deaf cheer as I guess she just won herself 10 quid, but jesus fucking christ Rose. Multiple innocent people are dead because of what happened tonight you absolute cunt. How could you possibly be so insensitive? This entire running gag of the episode was terrible (Apparently history isn't even sure whether or not the real Queen Victoria even said this line or not.) Even IF she did, it probably wasn't in this context.
-Queen Victoria just banished 10 and Rose from, "The Empire, never to return. " That obviously isn't going to stick, but it still seems like a massive over reaction to me, and then she creates "the Torchwood institute" to stick it to the Doctor if he ever shows up again. I guess it's a good thing that we've never seen the Doctor on Earth between the late 1870's and 'present day'. Oh wait...
Yeah, this ending was pretty dumb.
-This episode is trying to say that Hemophilia- a real, if rare, disease that affects plenty of real life people in the world, is a werewolf disease from space that made the Royal family (and I guess everyone else who has it?) into werewolves. It also hypothesizes that Queen Victoria's children (who were all born long before this episode takes place, so they couldn't have inherited it from her) are all werewolves too because "she gave them a quick nip." I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that hemophilia isn't transmissible through biting, oh and I'm also pretty sure that it doesn't turn you into a fucking werewolf, it just stops your blood from clotting if you get cut, which seems pretty fucking horrific in its own right to me. Fuck you episode.
-Why the fuck were the Scottish Tibetan monks even in this episode in the first place? After that admittedly cool opening scene that was never followed up on after the titles, they could have been literally anybody else and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference.
-There was a lot of dumb in this episode, but I still liked it a lot better than New Earth, but I really do have to say it one last time because that ending was bad enough to leave me with a proverbial bad taste in my mouth: Go fuck yourself episode.
Oh man... The next episode is gonna have the return of a character we haven't gotten to see for a while, a character who got unceremoniously dumped the last time we did see them. A character who will finally get the chance to prove themself against Rose Tyler. I am of course talking about the return of Mickey Smith! Oh, and I guess Sarah Jane Smith will be there too... Yay. it's School Reunion!
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I thought you were going to post Katy Manning's tidbits:
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Lol, when Jon Perwtee heard about those photos, he said "Typical Katy".
At least the Dalek's being a gentleman and averting his eyes.
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I'm actually amazed it took somebody so long to post that haha.
So if that suction cup thing is a Dalek's hand, is it literally grabbing her by the pussy?
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"Oh cock" would also be acceptable.
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"CLARKSOOOOOOOON!" *cue Doctor Who theme*
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That's just Kaled mutant incubation room talk.