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HarryHowler said:
That was only mentioned in a Zoom skit by the cast of The Sarah-Jane Adventures, but it wouldn't surprise me if Chibnall took the opportunity to make it canon.

And yet I could still buy Tegan and Nyssa as a couple way more easily than I could Thirteen and Yas.
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Nyssa was practically begging to suck the Fifth Doctor's cock during the show and I would bet Davison was shagging Sutton behind the scenes. I would have. I categorically refuse to accept any more gaying up or dyking of old Who companions.

Super-Chevy454 said:
I'm surprised then they didn't gived an explaination about Ace's departure in the 1996 tv movie.
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I'm not. They were trying to introduce the show to an American audience with funding from Fox. No one in their right mind is going to address the departure of a companion from the show eight years earlier that most of the U.S. audience hasn't seen.
 
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IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
Nyssa was practically begging to suck the Fifth Doctor's cock during the show and I would bet Davison was shagging Sutton behind the scenes. I would have. I categorically refuse to accept any more gaying up or dyking of old Who companions.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'd applaud yet another retconning of the classic series (and for what it's worth, I actually would buy Five and Nyssa as a thing). Just that Nyssa and Tegan actually have personalities and a modicum of chemistry, things which Thirteen and Yas are both sorely lacking.

Or, to put it another way, Chibnall's such a fucking hack that the groundbreaking lesbian relationship he spent three years crafting is one that's less convincing than one that the Davison-era writers hinted at by accident.
 
Ace's fate was partially revealed in the Sarah Jane spin-off (one episode which dealt with former companions stated she was running an environmentalist group called A Clean Earth (aka A.C.E). So the New Adventures/DWM fates for Ace are off the table, as they either had her become a dark and edgy implied bisexual gun toting faux Time Lord that had adventures up and down the timestream (New Adventures) or died during an adventure (DWM).

I'd settle for "the Seventh Doctor dropped Ace off back home after the events of Survival and helped her and her mom work out their issues and Ace decided to leave the Doctor as a result" being the canon explanation for Ace's departure, since it would wrap up her arc on the show (her mommy issues).
 
UnKillShredDur said:
It's definitely been a fan theory for literally decades that they were dykes together, and I never actually saw that "zoom skit," but I think we're talking about the same thing. And it should be noted that RTD officially signed off on it supposedly:

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It's been a while since I watched that era but I don't ever recall any impression of romance between them; and if they were in a relationship pretty brutal of Teegan to just dump her cold like that because she was tired of travelling with the Doctor / seen too much violence. I can't remember her departure exactly - Nyssa was still with the Doctor when Teegan left, right?

The only romantic tension I recall from this set of companions was Adric's awful crush on Nyssa. The Cybermen did him a favour to put an end to that yellow column of cringe! (No offence to Matthew Waterhouse) rather than endless rejections.
 
Overly Serious said:
It's been a while since I watched that era but I don't ever recall any impression of romance between them; and if they were in a relationship pretty brutal of Teegan to just dump her cold like that because she was tired of travelling with the Doctor / seen too much violence. I can't remember her departure exactly - Nyssa was still with the Doctor when Teegan left, right?
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Yes, Nyssa was still with the Doctor when Teegan left for the first time and she was still there when Teegan returned along with a new companion, Turlough.

Edit: Teegan's return also allowed her to meet a old friend of the Doctor like the Brigadier along with some former companions like Sarah-Jane and Susan in the Five Doctors.
 
IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
Nyssa was practically begging to suck the Fifth Doctor's cock during the show and I would bet Davison was shagging Sutton behind the scenes. I would have. I categorically refuse to accept any more gaying up or dyking of old Who companions.


I'm not. They were trying to introduce the show to an American audience with funding from Fox. No one in their right mind is going to address the departure of a companion from the show eight years earlier that most of the U.S. audience hasn't seen.
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It's been rumored for ages that Davison and Nyssa's actress WERE fucking while she was on the show. But when they ended their affair, the actress playing Nyssa asked to be written off as she still had feelings for Davison and felt that it would be easier for her to move on that stay on the show and deal with the awkwardness of Davison no longer being interested in her.

In hindsight, they should have kept Ace around in the movie/with Eight for continuity and having Ace do a lot of the heavy lifting exposition-wise. But she would be in her early to mid twenties at that point and one of the things that they were pushing hard with the movie was the bullshit "romance" between Grace and the Eighth Doctor. So Ace would have complicated things big time as a third wheel, as they made a huge deal about Grace being the one helping the Doctor post-regeneration.

Alternatively, they could have tossed in a scene with Seven visiting with a former companions (Brigadier or Sarah Jane) to explain away Ace's departure at the start of the film and to help introduce the concept of the Doctor to viewers instead of doing a cold opening with him in the Tardis. Reveal that Sarah or the Brigadier took Ace on as an assistant/helper and that he's checking in on them before going to pick up the Master's remains. They do a cute scene where they talk about who the Doctor is, how he's saved the world countless times, has a time machine, etc.
 
JamesFargo said:
It wouldn't be so bad, except that Gallifrey has really only worked in one story ("Deadly Assassin"). Everything since then has been togas and techno-shite.

I'd be interested in exploring another side to them. Someone, I forget who (Cartmel?), proposed that it be more like Gormenghast. Anyone who lives that long is going to have some kind of physical or mental abnormality. Gallifrey should be the most psychedelic planet we've ever seen.

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It's a production joke. Nothing too serious.

Hartnell had a double (the Abbot of Amboise). Troughton had Ramon Salamander. Nyssa met her twin in "Black Orchid", and I'm pretty sure Peri was mistaken for Queen Anne in the audios.
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I’d absolutely watch anything inspired by Ghormenghast, those books are some of the best writing I’ve ever read, albeit fucking weird.
 
The Valeyard said:
If these characters are being licensed out, I'm not liking the chances of a retcon happening under RTD.
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Iirc, there used to be a several year period until BF could use any Nu-Who characters. While I don't remember exactly how long that was, they've clearly shortened it recently.


I wonder why...
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Iirc, there used to be a several year period until BF could use any Nu-Who characters. While I don't remember exactly how long that was, they've clearly shortened it recently.


I wonder why...
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IIRC it was RTD's fault. He was hyper fucking protective of the Rose Tyler character and pretty much looked down on Big Finish and other media tie-in things like the comics, which in the hiatus years, had a lot of issues making up conflicting lores (such as the feud between the New Adventure novel writers and the writers/editors of the Doctor Who Monthly magazine over who were writing the definite post-show lore).

RTD basically didn't want ANY of the media tie ins contradicting the TV show, especially in the early years when RTD was working out the backstory lore on stuff like the Time War. RTD and Big Finish in particular, didn't like each other because a lot of Big Finish projects got canceled when the TV show relaunched and in particular, the Big Finish writers had their own version of the Time War brewing and pissed off RTD by including a bit, in one of the last Romana/Gallifrey audio stories, where Romana made a "back up" copy of Gallifrey with the implications that they were going to push to make that a plot point down the line to bring back the Time Lords (which is rumored to be one of the chief reasons why Romana has been declared persona non grata and not been allowed back in the series).

So Big Finish got embargoed from using concepts, characters, and Doctors from the revival as a result until canon was firmly established so they couldn't get into pissing matches contradicting the TV show lore.
 
MirrorNoir said:
IIRC it was RTD's fault. He was hyper fucking protective of the Rose Tyler character and pretty much looked down on Big Finish and other media tie-in things like the comics, which in the hiatus years, had a lot of issues making up conflicting lores (such as the feud between the New Adventure novel writers and the writers/editors of the Doctor Who Monthly magazine over who were writing the definite post-show lore).

RTD basically didn't want ANY of the media tie ins contradicting the TV show, especially in the early years when RTD was working out the backstory lore on stuff like the Time War. RTD and Big Finish in particular, didn't like each other because a lot of Big Finish projects got canceled when the TV show relaunched and in particular, the Big Finish writers had their own version of the Time War brewing and pissed off RTD by including a bit, in one of the last Romana/Gallifrey audio stories, where Romana made a "back up" copy of Gallifrey with the implications that they were going to push to make that a plot point down the line to bring back the Time Lords (which is rumored to be one of the chief reasons why Romana has been declared persona non grata and not been allowed back in the series).

So Big Finish got embargoed from using concepts, characters, and Doctors from the revival as a result until canon was firmly established so they couldn't get into pissing matches contradicting the TV show lore.
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Nothing you said just now surprises me, I actually kind of liked BF Gallifrey though, even the stupid parts of it -_-

RTD has definitely always been* super weird about Rose though. I know he's a gay man, but I still kind of think he wrote Rose as a self-insert because he wanted to fuck the Doctor.
 
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Has anyone been checking out the TrannyWho podcast thing? I've not bothered, just assuming it's crap because a) it's about trannies and b)written by Juno Dawson..?
 
Idiot Asshole said:
Retcon all of NuWho. Have Ecclestone wake up in the TARDIS after fighting the Nestene Consciousness, right before he teleports back to offer Rose to join him, except he decides against it and goes off to pick Ace up and have mischievous working class adventures together.
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Retcon back to the policeman in the junkyard.

MirrorNoir said:
It's been rumored for ages that Davison and Nyssa's actress WERE fucking while she was on the show. But when they ended their affair, the actress playing Nyssa asked to be written off as she still had feelings for Davison and felt that it would be easier for her to move on that stay on the show and deal with the awkwardness of Davison no longer being interested in her.

In hindsight, they should have kept Ace around in the movie/with Eight for continuity and having Ace do a lot of the heavy lifting exposition-wise. But she would be in her early to mid twenties at that point and one of the things that they were pushing hard with the movie was the bullshit "romance" between Grace and the Eighth Doctor. So Ace would have complicated things big time as a third wheel, as they made a huge deal about Grace being the one helping the Doctor post-regeneration.

Alternatively, they could have tossed in a scene with Seven visiting with a former companions (Brigadier or Sarah Jane) to explain away Ace's departure at the start of the film and to help introduce the concept of the Doctor to viewers instead of doing a cold opening with him in the Tardis. Reveal that Sarah or the Brigadier took Ace on as an assistant/helper and that he's checking in on them before going to pick up the Master's remains. They do a cute scene where they talk about who the Doctor is, how he's saved the world countless times, has a time machine, etc.
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Nah. They shouldn't even have had McCoy in the tv movie. It should have had McGann as the Doctor the whole time and not dealt with regeneration or any of that stuff.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
RTD has definitely always been* super weird about Rose though. I know he's a gay man, but I still kind of think he wrote Rose as a self-insert because he wanted to fuck the Doctor.
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I would believe it. The show did all but look straight into the camera to tell us that Rosie is the best companion ever and the Doctor's ideal mate. Moffat got pretty bad with Clara, but at least Capaldi's Doctor shut down the romance stuff.

It's funny how Chibnall has been so ineffective that he hasn't managed to do that. Yaz is such a non-entity that she may as well be wearing name tags to indicate her character traits.
 
MirrorNoir said:
IIRC it was RTD's fault. He was hyper fucking protective of the Rose Tyler character and pretty much looked down on Big Finish and other media tie-in things like the comics, which in the hiatus years, had a lot of issues making up conflicting lores (such as the feud between the New Adventure novel writers and the writers/editors of the Doctor Who Monthly magazine over who were writing the definite post-show lore).

RTD basically didn't want ANY of the media tie ins contradicting the TV show, especially in the early years when RTD was working out the backstory lore on stuff like the Time War. RTD and Big Finish in particular, didn't like each other because a lot of Big Finish projects got canceled when the TV show relaunched and in particular, the Big Finish writers had their own version of the Time War brewing and pissed off RTD by including a bit, in one of the last Romana/Gallifrey audio stories, where Romana made a "back up" copy of Gallifrey with the implications that they were going to push to make that a plot point down the line to bring back the Time Lords (which is rumored to be one of the chief reasons why Romana has been declared persona non grata and not been allowed back in the series).

So Big Finish got embargoed from using concepts, characters, and Doctors from the revival as a result until canon was firmly established so they couldn't get into pissing matches contradicting the TV show lore.
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That's weird because I'd always heard that RTD was protective of BF against the BBC who were considering canceling BF's license.
 
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