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Donna was notable if only for being the only nuWho companion that wasn’t trying to fuck the doctor. Rose, Martha, Amy, and Clara were all hoping to catch a Timeload(I didnt watch lady-who but im sure whatever companions she had were trying to fuck her too) but Donna was just along for the ride. Now that’s not to say she wouldn’t have tried to fuck the upcoming nigger-doctor given she’s already an established mudshark.

In fact, if she’s still around when Tennant regenerates into the nig-tor I’d bet they make a joke about her saying how much more attractive he is before he turns her down and tells her he’s into men now.
 
I just finished the special. For the most part I enjoyed it, just the "Binary/nonbinary" and "male presenting timelord" shit at the end got a huge eyeroll out of me. RTD has been putting pro lgbt shit in Doctor Who since the beginning, so it isn't really surprising. Donna was/is probably my favorite companion, since she just wanted to go on wacky adventures with him and wasn't trying to screw him the entire season like Rose or Martha. Sure she could be annoying sometimes, but Tennant and Tate had good chemistry together.
 
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My thoughts are has RTD forgot that he had an entire plot around why The Doctor does not stick round? In that he is an immortal alien and hates seeing people die?

Donna cpuld spend the rest of her life with him? But he couldn’t with her? Or is he part human again now? Because that’s why meta crisis even happened in the first place to give him and Rose a happy ending.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
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My thoughts are has RTD forgot that he had an entire plot around why The Doctor does not stick round? In that he is an immortal alien and hates seeing people die?

Donna could spend the rest of her life with him? But he couldn’t with her? Or is he part human again now? Because that’s why meta crisis even happened in the first place to give him and Rose a happy ending.
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I am not sure he forgot, it's more he does not care he is determined to ram the MESSAGE down out throats like a rotten cock.

Rose is just fucking awful, and a good example why for the most part I hate Troons.

Well done RTD you are going to destroy what you did well to rebirth.

#JUSTICEFORDAVROS.
 
I always took it that Donna DID have a crush on the Doctor, but that it was a relationship where they never wanted to address the elephant in the room which made Donna's fate all the worse.

Also, Donna's arc was way more relatable than Martha or Rose in that she underwent major character growth (whereas Martha was well adjusted save for her divorced parents and Rose had a decent if not boring life where had she not met the Doctor, she probably would have married Mickey, put out a couple of kids, and live a normal life) and it makes her being mindwiped all the more insulting. I'd kind of rather she got the Sarah Jane treatment (shit happens and the Doctor's forced to dump her in the middle of nowhere with a stopover during The End of Time where he checks in on her and has to deal with the consequences of Donna not wanting to see him and a better payoff to the lottery bit where Donna rips up the winning ticket because she sees it as the Doctor trying to buy her off and her realizing first hand that the Doctor truly doesn't get that grabbing people up as traveling companions and dumping them randomly fucks up a person's life and that he can't just waltz back into their lives thinking nothing has changed and they are still so smitten with him that they'll drop everything just for the chance to resume traveling with him.

6MillionCoofs said:
@Rotollo 2

My thoughts are has RTD forgot that he had an entire plot around why The Doctor does not stick round? In that he is an immortal alien and hates seeing people die?

Donna cpuld spend the rest of her life with him? But he couldn’t with her? Or is he part human again now? Because that’s why meta crisis even happened in the first place to give him and Rose a happy ending.
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The way Journey's End put it, Donna was going to either explode into flames and die horribly as her flesh catches fire like she was set ablaze after being dosed with gasoline or just drop dead from a brain aneurism where at best she dies outright or worse, she's rendered irreversibly brain dead. And that this was going to happen in the matter of a couple of minutes, which was the justification as to why the Doctor never bothered to think of alternatives.

But yeah, the whole thing was VERY VERY VERY badly planned and without thinking of the ramifications (IE all of the stuff Donna would have to avoid thinking about or being around to keep her from remembering the Doctor). To the point that, again, it would have been simpler if the writers had just pulled a Sarah Jane and have the Doctor be dragged away from Donna as she went outside to say goodbye to the rest of the companions (or return something one of them had left in the Tardis) at the end of Journey's End and for her last scene being Sarah Jane snarkily joking that the Doctor did to Donna what he did to Sarah in terms of abandoning her.
 
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I'm not sure why people had any expectations from RTD's return given how he fucked up Jack Harkness and destroyed Torchwood in the abomination that was Miracle Day.
 
Dollar Store Sentai said:
I just finished the special. For the most part I enjoyed it, just the "Binary/nonbinary" and "male presenting timelord" shit at the end got a huge eyeroll out of me. RTD has been putting pro lgbt shit in Doctor Who since the beginning, so it isn't really surprising. Donna was/is probably my favorite companion, since she just wanted to go on wacky adventures with him and wasn't trying to screw him the entire season like Rose or Martha. Sure she could be annoying sometimes, but Tennant and Tate had good chemistry together.
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I suspect this week's episode will be better received simply because Rose isn't in the episode (as far as we know). It's not that the character is bad, it's more the writing revolving around her and the climax of Donna's arc more than anything.
 
Garnet123 said:
I'm not sure why people had any expectations from RTD's return given how he fucked up Jack Harkness and destroyed Torchwood in the abomination that was Miracle Day.
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Torchwood was a perfect example of the edgelord faggy melodrama shit that was in vogue among the soon-to-be-woke media retards in the mid to late 00s and it was the absolute best thing little tweeny holden could have seen to blackpill him early on to RTD and chris chinballs and let him know how fucking wretched their hack fraud nature was the moment you stripped away any constraints or ties to better shit invented by others half a century ago

To quote myself from a few years back when I last discussed the series
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it really is saying something when the fact the series ended with a serial child rapist saving the world while cackling about how he was going to rape little girls forever in hell doesn't even enter the top five biggest reasons why its a fucking trainwreck
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You know, its really funny that over the course of like... only 5 years? That the whole "bringing back old protagonist to humiliate them and make them look retarded" is already a well used and overdone trope.
 
Love Machine said:
You know, its really funny that over the course of like... only 5 years? That the whole "bringing back old protagonist to humiliate them and make them look retarded" is already a well used and overdone trope.
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I was watching X-Men: First Class the other day, and had to remind myself how old the film was, because that Logan cameo scene really, really feels like the film is purposely subverting the modern "let's bring back the fan favorite and ruin him" trope.

I suppose reboots were already a bit played out by then, though, and that's probably what they were commenting on.
 
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To quote myself from a few years back when I last discussed the series
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The donkey fucking what?

On topic for the thread anyone who thought Tennant and Tate could save us from the script they would be given was on enough cope that they may in fact be brain dead. The series needs a full scale reboot or the sort of retcons only a series with this much time travel can manage.
 
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The donkey fucking what?

On topic for the thread anyone who thought Tennant and Tate could save us from the script they would be given was on enough cope that they may in fact be brain dead. The series needs a full scale reboot or the sort of retcons only a series with this much time travel can manage.
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Axe everyone currently on the show, bring on brand new team, consisting of actual humans, decide where the cutoff was, have an "oh my God it was just a horrible dream" open, chuck that gay shit, start over from there.

Or better yet just put the series to a much-deserved rest.
 
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Axe everyone currently on the show, bring on brand new team, consisting of actual humans, decide where the cutoff was, have an "oh my God it was just a horrible dream" open, chuck that gay shit, start over from there.

Or better yet just put the series to a much-deserved rest.
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Honestly, we're not far off in agreeing on that. Like you I think it needs an Old Yeller style rest more but if a clean up is needed. I'd retcon back to a fairly clear point.

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Have the moment the Time Lords actually finally get free be the point the lies start. Everything after that was the Doctor running, fleeing through alternate timelines and building a shitty fanfic of delusion that has only been being destroyed in their wake and finally it all catches up with them when the Time Lords get hold of them.

Take the Tardis' capacity to move through both and limit them to time or space on Earth, the Doctor's favourite planet. They can show off all of space at that time and all of time in that space but anything beyond that and a Time Lord is going to show up to remind the Doctor they are on a tight leash. Inevitably that needs to change and of course the Daleks will be the key since the Time Lord's freedom should be followed their foes in that war. But for a time at least let the universe remind the viewers that the Doctor is one of a species, not some special snowflake.
 
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The donkey fucking what?
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Torchwood Miracle Day, the last Who related thong RTD did ended with a child rapist saving everyone by blowong himself while smiling and laughing that he would get to chase little girls in the afterlife.

The world also has an alien arsehole at it’s core. I’m not joking.

And he’s right. It had nothing to do with why the series was awful. I remember complaining to someone the following day for way too long why the series did not work. Child rapist cult leader didn’t even come up. In fact, I keep forgetting that was even a thing when i remember MD.

When your series is so bad that I forget convicted child rapist saved the day you have problems

Also. Child rapist was the best thing anout MD. I’ll let people wonder what that suggests about RTD…

I hoped RTD would be a bit more tard wrangled with Who…but, I am now not convinced to say the least.
 
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Morethanabitfoolish said:
Honestly, we're not far off in agreeing on that. Like you I think it needs an Old Yeller style rest more but if a clean up is needed. I'd retcon back to a fairly clear point.

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Timothy Dalton is still alive right?

Have the moment the Time Lords actually finally get free be the point the lies start. Everything after that was the Doctor running, fleeing through alternate timelines and building a shitty fanfic of delusion that has only been being destroyed in their wake and finally it all catches up with them when the Time Lords get hold of them.

Take the Tardis' capacity to move through both and limit them to time or space on Earth, the Doctor's favourite planet. They can show off all of space at that time and all of time in that space but anything beyond that and a Time Lord is going to show up to remind the Doctor they are on a tight leash. Inevitably that needs to change and of course the Daleks will be the key since the Time Lord's freedom should be followed their foes in that war. But for a time at least let the universe remind the viewers that the Doctor is one of a species, not some special snowflake.
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If the Time Lords finally show up and arrest the Doctor for stealing the TARDIS at the very moment he turns into a black man, I will take back every negative thing I've ever said about RTD.
 
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He is.

But if we are going fan wank. I’d start it after Smith. Have 12 be the Valeyard…that way when you get a clean slate of regenerations you can essentially start completely fresh with no hanging over you.

Which i almost thought they might have actually done. God knows Peter can pull it off. And Moffat likes twisting the lore as we know it.

It puts a whole new meaning on ‘no, all 13 of them’ that’s frankly terrifying. And then the shot we see of the intense eyes.

Viewers get to Smith’s death thinking The Doctor gets out ok. And then bam. The reveal would hit.

Would explain why you get Fem Master and 13 is not nice. Timeline is being messed with and 13 is not nice.
 
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