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AnOminous said:
He's generally known as highly professional and has worked on some fairly disturbing films with Danny Boyle among others, so it's not likely the subject matter disturbed him. It was also a high paying job, so to quit after one season indicates he was probably absolutely disgusted by RTD's degeneracy, even then before it had fully flowered and his pozzed nature ran rampant.
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He’s talked about it. It was the bbc execs being vile pieces of shit and the fact that RTD etc were kind of all new to this so did not know what the fuck they were doing so were absolutely not up to his standards of proffesionalism.

And based on some of the stuff we now know to be happening on the set, yeah. RTD’s antics probably did not help to say the least.

Which explains why he basically vanished from the BBC. You do not get to call execs out on their bs.
Oilspill Battery said:
You could elaborate, what's the context for this? Is he an implied child rapist or is it just an implication?
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RTD never implies. He’s not that kind of subtle. Actual child rapist was going to be killed to thunderous applause. Gets killed. Doesn’t die due to Miracle Day. Survives. As he was the first one his not death brings him cult like celebrity status. And the idea that well if the pedo wasn’t killed maybe that’s a sign that everyone deserves a second chance…shit happens and it ends with him declaring that actualy he liked raping the little girl and that he is going to chase her round in hell before going boom.

Nowadays people read him as a perfect Trump stand in. RTD would probably approve.
BroccoliBrainMkII said:
That character was basically a main cast member with his own arc that was all about being an apolegetic pedo because somehow his survival at the start of the show gained him celebrity status. He starts showing remorse, shit happens, it ends in the "sacrifice" where he decides he really is evil, IIRC he said specifically that he wanted follow his child victims into Hell.

Why tease a redemption arc for someone like that?
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Thing is a redemption arc could have worked. Dude honestly sorry for what he does and seen as the first Miracle blows himself up as a way to repent and save everybody.

But nope. Had to have him go out happy he got to chase little girls in hell. Because RTD is absolutely not a sick fuck. No sir.
 
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starborn427614 said:
Apparently there's a rumour that the next episode will feature "zombie" versions of Eleven and Twelve who torment The Doctor and Donna. That place they're at? It's a fucked up TARDIS.

Massive grain of salt and all that.
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Ngl, hearing capaldi go full series 8/malcom tucker on events that happened post 12 would be funny as fuck:
"so galifray got nuked again directly after I helped you guys save it, rassalon you absolute moron."
 
Rotollo 2 said:
Ngl, hearing capaldi go full series 8/malcom tucker on events that happened post 12 would be funny as fuck:
"so galifray got nuked again directly after I helped you guys save it, rassalon you absolute moron."
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It's the only special of the three that was filmed entirely in the studio, so basically nothing's been leaked to the public. We'll see how true these rumours are on Saturday, but the general buzz is that it's leaning more towards the kind of horror Doctor Who's usually good at.
 
starborn427614 said:
It's the only special of the three that was filmed entirely in the studio, so basically nothing's been leaked to the public. We'll see how true these rumours are on Saturday, but the general buzz is that it's leaning more towards the kind of horror Doctor Who's usually good at.
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I'm down with that, Russel is really good at atmospheric, minimalist bullshit. I do wonder if those leaks are true how much he had to twist both of their arms to show up again, as a smith baby/someone who really liked peter's portrayal as inconsistent as he was as the doctor, I was worried that both would just be absent from who stuff for a long time.
Now if only someone can get peter on big finish somehow bc Jacob's impression of 12 isn't so hot imo.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
He’s talked about it. It was the bbc execs being vile pieces of shit and the fact that RTD etc were kind of all new to this so did not know ehat the fuck they were doing so were absolutely not up to his standards of proffesionalism.

And based on some of the stuff we now know to be happening on the set, yeah. RTD’s antics probably did not help to say the least.

Which explains why he basically vanished from the BBC. You do not get to call execs out on their bs.
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I always wondered what happened to Christopher Eccleston after he didn't find much success in the American market (being in the first G.I. Joe and second Thor movie). Looking at his IMDB, he has kept himself with various English productions and performing on stage.
 
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This confirms a few of the leaks that are floating around, which might also mean that 14 regenerating into himself AND 15 (and 15 getting a 2nd TARDIS) is also true.
 
starborn427614 said:
which might also mean that 14 regenerating into himself AND 15 (and 15 getting a 2nd TARDIS) is also true.
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I’m going to be honest. RTD would be stupid to not do that. Having them both kicking allows them to do more stuff and spin offs with the brand whilst also having a safety net in case things go wrong.

That was one of the good things about RTD’s old run, you had stuff for basically ever demo and basically anything could happen.

Moffat dialing that back made the world feel way smaller. Which is bonkers. Because he wrote enough characters that were spin off potential
 
6MillionCoofs said:
I’m going to be honest. RTD would be stupid to not do that. Having them both kicking allows them to do more stuff and spin offs with the brand whilst also having a safety net in case things go wrong.

That was one of the good things about RTD’s old run, you had stuff for basically ever demo and basically anything could happen.

Moffat dialing that back made the world feel way smaller. Which is bonkers. Because he wrote enough characters that were spin off potential
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Plus you could always have 14 develop some kind of "copy fault" and disappear if Tennant wanted to retire . It's more innovative than the Timeless Child shit and doesn't ruin the Doctor's legacy, so it has that going for it too.
 
starborn427614 said:
Plus you could always have 14 develop some kind of "copy fault" and disappear if Tennant wanted to retire . It's more innovative than the Timeless Child shit and doesn't ruin the Doctor's legacy, so it has that going for it too.
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You don’t even need to have 14 vanish, just have him go off on adventures or never go back to him. Jenny, Clara etc are all just still knocking about. Elizabeth Sladen is straight up dead and Sarah Janes is still alive in universe, hunting down aliens while raising two alien children.

That is really the thing with the timeless child that’s the worst to me. It adds in all this needless complication when there are much simpler ideas that get the same results.

13 lives not enough? Don’t want that headache again? Moffat fixed that issue by never stating how many new regens The Doc was given? Everyone could be the last for all everyone knows.

Want mystery? Well really you could have done anything as long as The Doctor wasn’t the heart of Timelird Culture. Have him be one of the Founding members, that can be done. Just not what Chibbs did. Have him talk about things and never go into detail. Moffat made a career by doing thst (to this day I am absolutely amazed it wasn’t revealed that Gallifray was locked in the Medusa Cascade using his name as a key)

And yet he went for the explnstion thst ruined everything and was way more complicated than it needed to be.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
Thing is a redemption arc could have worked. Dude honestly sorry for what he does and seen as the first Miracle blows himself up as a way to repent and save everybody.
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I actually think that's the most straightforward thing they could have done with Oswald which is why I don't get it when they didn't. The pedo-speech is a real downer to throw into the climax while your heroes are winning, I know they wanted to be gritty but this was too much for the ratings when Miracle Day already had people adjusting to a new cast, new location and less sci-fi elements. I don't think it was great at being the human-centered thriller it wanted to be.
 
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Little robot fella confirmed for tomorrow's episode. The only other character besides the Doctor and Donna that's known so far.
 
BroccoliBrainMkII said:
which is why I don't get it when they didn't.
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I know right? Doesn’t make any sense. God knows Oswald went through enough to be like ‘yeah, i messed up, I can’t undo what I did, I should be dead, let me die while helping at least. Let me do something to make sure other children’s lives aren’t as bad as I made that girl’s’ as a character arc.

I’d say all that was what was happening deep down and him being happy was just a front to go through with blowing himself u if I didn’t know RTD was a freak. And the progs are all like ‘pedos are ok’

BroccoliBrainMkII said:
I don't think it was great at being the human-centered thriller it wanted to be.
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When your human centered drama character is a pedo you’ve made a fundamental mistake somewhere.

I’d argue Who related stuff is not the place for that isdue but without him being happy about being a pedo at the end it could have been ok.

You’ve shown that absolute monsters can be given and should be given a chance to atone.

I could even say RTD gave the funniest commentary on pedos in the end. No matter what they say, what they do, they can never change and the only solution is to blow them the fuck up.

…I have a strong feeling RTD might nowadsys disagree with much of what he previously wrote because nowadays in his circles his degen behaviour is now openly encouraged
 
I watched Nu-Who several years ago when I was talking to a girl from tumblr, in retrospect that shit looks unbelievably fucking gay, and I bowed out before Capaldi. I kinda want to watch the originals series but not sure where to start.
 
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