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Is there a general consensus as to whether bringing back Gallifrey properly and introducing new Timelords for the Doctor to deal with? It's not as if it's lacking for antagonists as is, but it's always felt like, besides the Master, something was missing. You also lose a bit of the Doctor being a rebel when the thing he's rebelling against is written out.
Keep them dead. The Time Lords are all fags and any Gallifrey based story not named The Deadly Assassin sucked ass. The Doctor's not even Galifreyan. The Doctor's new backstory is he is from the planet Faggatron and fell through the Giant Space Anus.
 
It wasn't degeneracy but RTD being a piece of shit human being to the crew that did all of the hard work behind the scenes making series one, as far as treating the rank and file types like garbage that was the reason why CE hated Davies. Especially after Davies is said to have told CE to fuck off after he pulled him aside and told him he was acting like an asshole to said behind the scenes staffers
No. It was RTD doing nothing while John Barrowman was running around the set with his cock out and draping it across people's shoulders. Shut your fucking whore mouth, you have no idea what you're talking about on any subject and I'm tired of your made up bullshit.

Keep them dead. The Time Lords are all fags and any Gallifrey based story not named The Deadly Assassin sucked ass.

The War Games and Three Doctors are great stories.
 
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How long until they retcon The Master to being another sentient series TARDIS, and maybe even the Doctor's TARDIS or his old one?
 
Getting a proper actor as the 9th Doctor and introducing the Time War were two of his few good decisions. Eccleston was pretty much perfect for the role at the time, he brought proper gravitas and you genuinely believed that he was a battle-scarred alien, but he still managed to channel enough of the previous eight Doctors to convince older fans he was the same man. We didn't get enough of him, but what we did get especially in "Dalek" and "The Doctor Dances" is up there with the very best the show has produced.

The Time War meant that he could do a soft reboot and avoid bombarding the audience with all the tedious stupid fucking Time Lord lore that had built up in the original run. That said, the show is still yet to top the scene of Timothy Dalton as Rassilon addressing the High Council at the end of part one of The End of Time.
That reminds me. Moffat retconing the Dr’s action in the Time War and have him not kill everyone was the worst thing second only to the Timeless Child.

Fuck him for that.

And I refuse to believe RTD is deep down ok with what he did. He absolutely intended for the Doctor to have killed everyone, with excuses for a few Daleks and The Master to have escape.
 
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I wonder why the woke crowd doesn’t tear RTD to shreds over all the shit that happened behind the scenes during his run more often. They are more than happy to make up false shit about Moffat and dig through old things he said years ago that have been taken wildly out of context to prove he is problematic. Yet I don’t see anywhere near that amount of outrage over RTD’s actual dirt. Though yet again I haven’t checked in on the fandom in years so I could be wrong on that.
 
I wonder why the woke crowd doesn’t tear RTD to shreds over all the shit that happened behind the scenes during his run more often. They are more than happy to make up false shit about Moffat and dig through old things he said years ago that have been taken wildly out of context to prove he is problematic. Yet I don’t see anywhere near that amount of outrage over RTD’s actual dirt. Though yet again I haven’t checked in on the fandom in years so I could be wrong on that.
You don’t tear down one of your own that has been a mouthpiece and a vehicle for you since before you were even woke. It’s why they went after Barrowman and not RTD.

We’ll see how he manages after a series now that he is back in charge and in focus
 
That’s true. However over the past decade terminally online people have been obsessed with trying to dig up old dirt on famous people for evidence of problematic behavior even if said problematic behavior was from years ago. People are also very quick to turn on their heroes nowadays over the most benign reasons.
 
I have no clue why, but I've only ever been able to stomach the first 4 doctors. I've seen Eccelston and some of Tenant, and Eccelstone was okay, but I only really seem to enjoy the early classic era. This appears to be fine, given the contentious nature of the show in the last ~15 years
 
That reminds me. Moffat retconing the Dr’s action in the Time War and have him not kill everyone was the worst thing second only to the Timeless Child.

Fuck him for that.

And I refuse to believe RTD is deep down ok with what he did. He absolutely intended for the Doctor to have killed everyone, with excuses for a few Daleks and The Master to have escape.
I liked Day of the Doctor and how it resolved the whole thing if I'm being honest. No matter how long it takes, the Doctor will find a way, that's one of the things at the core of the character. What Moffat did afterwards with Gallifrey was far more shit, literally set everything up for some kind of final showdown between the Doctor and Rassilon only to send him (Rassilon the Redeemer!!! The Resurrected!!!) away on some fucking shuttle within 20 minutes, leaving us with the rest of the episode being the Doctor simping after muh Clara.
 
they tried during hell bent to address it but that was, you know, hell bent.
the one thing I'll give chibbnall is at least even if galifray was destroyed shit like the division at least implies other rouge time lords are out there, him destroying gallifrey was shit mostly bc it was like, returning the place was such a big deal and then not even two incarnations later they just nuke it again.
worst of all, it was The Master on his own that did it. There is no way against the entire might of the timelords he of all people would be capable of it. Which is why the event was handwaved away in regards to how. Even Chibbs was not dumb enough to think there was an answer that made sense.
I liked Day of the Doctor and how it resolved the whole thing if I'm being honest.
If they were going to fix it that’s the best way it could have been done admittedly.

I just think they shouldn’t and RTD never had any intention to ever do so. Probably some throwaway that whatever he did it would take The Doctor longer than any of them will ever have to undo.

Although I did always like the idea that The Doc always could have undone it, but the hell on earth that would return was too great a price. Which seemed to be what RTD was going for in The End of Time.

And then Moffat just kind of handwaves away the Nightmare Fuel that RTD established bringing it back was.

I always thought he just did what he did to the Dakeks in Series 1.

Built a device that took out everyone and did not have the time to make it distinguish between good and bad.

And so Bad Wolf was basicalky time and reality giving him a small scale do over as a thank you.

A sort of ‘we won’t let you undo it, you know we can’t, but we can do this for you just this once’
That’s true. However over the past decade terminally online people have been obsessed with trying to dig up old dirt on famous people for evidence of problematic behavior even if said problematic behavior was from years ago. People are also very quick to turn on their heroes nowadays over the most benign reasons.
Oh absolutely but the person always has to do a no no. RTD has not yet.
 
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I have no clue why, but I've only ever been able to stomach the first 4 doctors. I've seen Eccelston and some of Tenant, and Eccelstone was okay, but I only really seem to enjoy the early classic era. This appears to be fine, given the contentious nature of the show in the last ~15 years
Do you have any feel as to whether it's the Doctors themselves or something to do with the production or scripts or tone? I'm curious because I can't really see a clear break between Four and earlier and Five in that sense. If anything Five was more of a return to Two's era imo after the zaniness of Fours (very long) reign.
 
Do you have any feel as to whether it's the Doctors themselves or something to do with the production or scripts or tone? I'm curious because I can't really see a clear break between Four and earlier and Five in that sense. If anything Five was more of a return to Two's era imo after the zaniness of Fours (very long) reign.
My favorite Doctor is Pertwee followed by Baker, (kind of hard to get into the first two quite to the same degree because the reconstructions are less watchable IMO). Pertwee is kind of the Quatermass Doctor, whereas Baker is the Hammer Horror Doctor, both of which I'm fans of.
 
My favorite Doctor is Pertwee followed by Baker, (kind of hard to get into the first two quite to the same degree because the reconstructions are less watchable IMO). Pertwee is kind of the Quatermass Doctor, whereas Baker is the Hammer Horror Doctor, both of which I'm fans of.
Hmmm. For me, Troughton, Colin Baker and Matt Smith. Though I've nothing bad to say about Pertwee. He was great. Tom Baker had some of the best stories and his pairing with Romana (both of them) was superb. They played off each other brilliantly ("I rather like Fred"). But despite having some defining moments for the character I ultimately preferred the calmer manner of Troughton, Pertwee or Davidson. Matter of taste a little. I suspect when I was younger Tom Baker would have been the most entertaining to me. And Colin Baker, well he had to soldier through some terrible dross but on the Big Finish audios he's fantastic and you get to see what he could have / should have been. Even on TV though, I have a soft spot for him.

I like your descriptions of Pertwee and Tom Baker. I was quite the fan of Quatermass and Hammer Horror and I recognize your descriptions very well.
 
Hmmm. For me, Troughton, Colin Baker and Matt Smith. Though I've nothing bad to say about Pertwee. He was great. Tom Baker had some of the best stories and his pairing with Romana (both of them) was superb. They played off each other brilliantly ("I rather like Fred"). But despite having some defining moments for the character I ultimately preferred the calmer manner of Troughton, Pertwee or Davidson. Matter of taste a little. I suspect when I was younger Tom Baker would have been the most entertaining to me. And Colin Baker, well he had to soldier through some terrible dross but on the Big Finish audios he's fantastic and you get to see what he could have / should have been. Even on TV though, I have a soft spot for him.

I like your descriptions of Pertwee and Tom Baker. I was quite the fan of Quatermass and Hammer Horror and I recognize your descriptions very well.
On paper I should like Baker more, but I pretty quickly picked up on his smugness as an actor before even reading about it, and sometimes I just can't stand him.
 
Thankfully a fair chunk of them have been replaced by animated versions. There are still a couple reconstructions I still do push through, but the rest I've ended up skipping this time.
I find that the animations harm Troughton in particular, because so much of his performance is physical and through facial expressions.
 
Yes. As I said, I've never watched past the fourth doctor in the classic era.
Oh, I thought you said you didn't like past the Fourth era. Not that there were Doctors you hadn't actually seen. Well, Colin Baker is good and I quite like his Doctor. A sort of fusion between First (for the barking impatience) and maybe Two for the penchant for slightly wearily explaining things to everybody. No wonder I like him.

But some of the stories were trash. Got to admit though, that end scene with Perri in Trial of a Timelord was enough to give me nightmares.
 
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