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I always though I might like to get into Dr. Who someday (I find old British shows comfy). I didn't know the Doctor got- is reincarnated the right word?- every season or so and had a bit of a shock just reading the name Ncuti Gatwa.Maybe he was good idk but my gut is telling me you lot are getting the same DEI treatment as a lot of the IPs I enjoy.
Honestly, despite being an ugly, slack jawed, DEI nigger, I'm quite fond of Ncuti as the Doctor (he's definitely on the upper half of my ranking). He's definitely one of the rare cases where DEI works out. It's everything around him that crashed and burned lol.

That being said, you should definitely give the show a shot. The first twenty or so seasons are phenomenal and the first seven-ish seasons of the revival are fantastic. Some people swear by seasons eight through ten, but I think that's where the revival starts slipping in quality, specifically when they introduce the bald fat guy from Great British Bake Off and the nigger faggot.

You'd really enjoy it, but you bring up something interesting I wanna say: I was asking my little cousin if he's ever seen Doctor Who, now this kid has seen all the Marvels and is the prime age for Doctor Who, he obviously hadn't but I was showing him my old figure set from when I was a kid and explaining to him regeneration and he couldn't even grasp the concept. To me that was the death knell, when the target demographic for your show is forgetting a major part of British pop culture in favor of a declining but still beating American institution you're in trouble

And this is evident in how you, a newcomer, barely know what it is. For context usually it doesnt happen every season, but this era of the show's history has been such a shitshow the guy has only been in it for like 1.5 years. The Doctor is an alien who on the brink of death "regenerates" his body into a new face and personality, while still being the same being in soul and memories. The character and his species is supposed to have 13 lives, with possibility of bonus lives, but the lore has been fucked with for the past decade that the character went from having lived 14 lives as mostly white men to now having been 30 different shades of black girl, being able to regenerate infinitely and being able to split in half and create two versions of himself
Tbf the concept is fairly unique and weird. I think it's better to just show it to him rather than autistically ranting about Time Lord biology
 
That being said, you should definitely give the show a shot. The first twenty or so seasons are phenomenal and the first seven-ish seasons of the revival are fantastic. Some people swear by seasons eight through ten, but I think that's where the revival starts slipping in quality, specifically when they introduce the bald fat guy from Great British Bake Off and the nigger faggot.
Thank you for this, this is exactly the kind of thing I have been looking for. Also, that bald guy gives me the creeps (why are his eyes so SMALL)
 
That being said, you should definitely give the show a shot. The first twenty or so seasons are phenomenal
I can't help but notice you cut off the "phenomenal" period right before Warriors of the Deep. Not a fan of the Panto Horse Myrka, then?

Semi-joking aside, it does get a bit wobbly at that point but I still have a soft spot for Six. The Big Finish audios are vastly better written than most of what he got on TV and show the Sixth Doctor off much better. For me, it's the Seventh era where things go off a cliff like an out of control Dalek and don't recover.
 
I know very little about the lore of this series, but didn't the Doctor only have a certain amount of regenerations before he ran out? How many does he even have left?
So at the end of 11’s run, he was given a new batch of regenerations by the Timelords. Then in the worst choice in the entirety of the series they retconned the Doctor from Timelord to something called the Timeless Child who now has essentially infinite regenerations. The only thing that can kill the doctor now is poor ratings.
 
So at the end of 11’s run, he was given a new batch of regenerations by the Timelords. Then in the worst choice in the entirety of the series they retconned the Doctor from Timelord to something called the Timeless Child who now has essentially infinite regenerations. The only thing that can kill the doctor now is poor ratings.
See, this shit is why I say everything after 1989 is a glorified fanfic.

Not just for Doctor Who either--anything that started before 1989 but got revived after, you can consider 1989 the cut-off point.

Saw the latest desperation move, I'm betting a one-shot special with Billie then another regeneration for whatever the new owners want since the BBC is desperate to sell it so it can be properly raped to death.
Just to remind me, what is the "latest desperation move?"

I imagine its the Billie Piper as the Doctor thing, but I wanted to be sure.

I'm not watching the show to find out.

Also personally... I said pages ago that I have a distaste for a British entity selling their thing to an American company, but I also have a distaste for what I call "skinwalker franchises," and nothing is more skinwalker-y than a franchise that gets sold to another company. To use an example, I will never acknowledge Disney-era Simpsons (not like I was ever a big Simpsons fan in the first place, but if I was, the show would essentially be over as soon as the sale happened).
 
I imagine its the Billie Piper as the Doctor thing, but I wanted to be sure.
It strikes me as a definite desperation move, picking a fan favorite actor while still trying to push wokeshit.
 
So at the end of 11’s run, he was given a new batch of regenerations by the Timelords. Then in the worst choice in the entirety of the series they retconned the Doctor from Timelord to something called the Timeless Child who now has essentially infinite regenerations. The only thing that can kill the doctor now is poor ratings.
I do remember seeing about that Timeless Child thing, no idea it gave him infinite lives. How retarded.
 
What do you mean he couldn't grasp the concept? How did he not understand? As a last ditch attempt to avoid death, a Time Lord (or Lady) goes into a crisis state where their entire body renews itself, taking on a new physical form, but retaining the memories of their former self. Values are largely retained (probably because values are formed by experience) but the personality can be different. How old is he?
he just didnt understand it was the same character, because he's so used to recasts either being unacknowledged, done in more mundane ways or involving multiverse shenanigans and therefore being different characters
 
he just didnt understand it was the same character, because he's so used to recasts either being unacknowledged, done in more mundane ways or involving multiverse shenanigans and therefore being different characters
How strange. Although it originally came about through a need to recast, the decision to make it an in-universe thing is one of the best decisions Who writers ever made.
 
It strikes me as a definite desperation move, picking a fan favorite actor while still trying to push wokeshit.
Billie Piper isn't even a good actress and she's the second worst companion. The only way they could have sunk deeper is if they brought back martha's actress to play the role.

Karren Gillan, Jenna Coleman and Catherine Tate would have all been WAYYYY the fuck better for the role. Say what you want about the writing surrounding them being bad, but acting wise they all blow billie pipe out of the water by several orders of magnitude and its not even close.
 
I'm kinda half-and-half on this.

Like, I get you insofar as how sometimes it feels like "identity" is a card pulled only when its convenient, and then conveniently shoved aside if its an identity they don't like.

But speaking as a nitpicky nerd.... well, the 1970s already had The Master regenerating into Doctor Doom, and that weird string of alternate forms Romana took at the beginning of "Destiny of the Daleks" (though IIRC all those forms were implied female). This is before even getting into the expanded universe and the idea of Time Lords being born from looms.

Also I think the time to complain about gender-switch regenerations would have been when The Master regenerated into Missy.

To me this is all academic as I regard everything after 1989 as glorified fanfiction (I might be willing to accept the 1996 movie, which I recall actually rather liking, but I should watch it again).
See, I don't particularly care that much, but I feel like if I have to land on one side of the issue, I'm going to say that gender and race swaps are just the dullest version of edgy that fanfic writers can devise.

There are plenty of identity-based instances in life where you'd probably never hear one whit of complaining if something hadn't been an option in the first place.

For instance: if Disney hadn't opted for Halle Bailey to play Ariel and the casting had always been a white girl with red hair, the thought wouldn't have crossed the minds of anyone that casting a black girl would have been an option. NPC thinking declares that something is only an option when it's presented; they don't care about how much sense it makes as long as it activates the narcissistic lizard part of their brains.

So if a Time Lord can slip his skin, so to speak, then isn't there something more fundamental about who the Doctor and other Time Lords are that there should be a thread from one identity to the next?

And if all it is is magic borne out of some desire by The Doctor for some identity, then why hasn't he been ginger yet?

On the subject of the show's content: The Doctor regenerating into Rose is probably the dumbest cop-out yet, but the writers can't seem to help themselves anymore - and this is probably true of lots of pop-culture entertainment. There's just this vast wasteland of meta that almost feels like the degeneration of a bloodline when there's too much incest going on. Ncuti Gatwa was in virtually all respects an absolute failure for the series, and as is the wont of studios, it will never be their fault, but will silently capitulate in a Rise-of-Skywalker-esque plot twist that comes across like all the worst kinds of key-jangling: "You like this, don't you? Well, we'll just give you more of what you liked...goo goo ga ga."

And speaking of incest, there's a part of me that thinks part of the idea behind the Rose regeneration is so that she can get together with the Tennant bigeneration to please all the shipper fans out there. I can't imagine I'm the first to think that. I just hit my head on a dull surface a few times and came up with that logic.
 
And speaking of incest, there's a part of me that thinks part of the idea behind the Rose regeneration is so that she can get together with the Tennant bigeneration to please all the shipper fans out there.
I hate that you put this in my head and that its an extremely real possibility.
 
I hate that you put this in my head and that its an extremely real possibility.
This is where I think that you're smarter than the current average Doctor Who fan.

I've long said that one of my problems with modern Who is the focus on The Doctor's love life, which was none more evidenced than by the Nine-Ten/Rose love story, followed up later by Eleven/River. I think a lot of people lost interest in Capaldi - writers included - because he wasn't fuckable enough for fangirls.

If you can envision a better canon for Doctor Who than who The Doctor is available to fuck, it might just be because you have a better sense of intellectual curiosity than the typical fans do.
 
This is where I think that you're smarter than the current average Doctor Who fan.

I've long said that one of my problems with modern Who is the focus on The Doctor's love life, which was none more evidenced than by the Nine-Ten/Rose love story, followed up later by Eleven/River. I think a lot of people lost interest in Capaldi - writers included - because he wasn't fuckable enough for fangirls.

If you can envision a better canon for Doctor Who than who The Doctor is available to fuck, it might just be because you have a better sense of intellectual curiosity than the typical fans do.
The funny thing is I know a lot of people hate her but River Song to me is the idea of the Dcotor's love interest done right: she has to be a time travelling alien, or half-alien, like the Doctor in order for it not to be completely creepy. Rose was 19 in Series 1, Eccleston tells her he's 900 years old. You'd think for how woke these writers are they wouldn't be obsessed with a 881 year age gap
 
The funny thing is I know a lot of people hate her but River Song to me is the idea of the Dcotor's love interest done right: she has to be a time travelling alien, or half-alien, like the Doctor in order for it not to be completely creepy. Rose was 19 in Series 1, Eccleston tells her he's 900 years old. You'd think for how woke these writers are they wouldn't be obsessed with a 881 year age gap
See, I was fine with River Song, more or less, up until she gave a speech that she would hurt more than anyone else, ever ever ever if The Doctor died. Otherwise she was cool outside of the fact that she was yet another story-focused love interest.

As for the age gap, that's pretty normalized. I've complained for years about how normalized this is, and knock Stephenie Meyer as you please, but she 100% got it right when she basically full-on said that looking 17 was good enough, which is why Edward and company are hanging around high schools.

I can almost guarantee that if a fantasy series exists and has a decades-to-centuries older man, there will be a young and precious fangirl self-insert for him to fawn hopelessly over.
 
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