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Hot take: I've never bought the arguments trying to justify the Doctor being celibate with lore or claiming humans are too insignificant for him or whatever. All time lords, including him, are more human than they would like to admit.

Before you grab your pitchforks, hear me out. I think it's valid to want Doctor Who to focus only on adventures, like in the classic series, without the Doctor being entangled in romance. Hell that might even be for the best. Anything is better than the mess the show is in.

But Instead of pretending a human couldn't possibly date the Doctor ( a time lord is not even the weirdest thing a human has dated in fiction) or that he's too ancient and galaxy-brained to understand romance, I find it more honest to say: "I don't want romance in my British sci-fi show. Let's keep the focus on adventures."
yea i never liked the asexual doctor thing, i want him to have loved and lost before and for that to make romance irrelevant to most of the adventures. him being a grandfather meant you didnt need to include romantic subplots, but they've ruined that
 
But Instead of pretending a human couldn't be attracted to the Doctor or that he's too ancient and galaxy-brained to understand romance, I find it more honest to say: "I don't want romance in my British sci-fi show. Let's keep the focus on adventures."
It's none of the above. Of course dumb teenage girls (and guys too, I guess) are gonna fall for the Doctor. But realistically, there is no reason why the Doctor would be attracted to most humans, romantically or otherwise.

I'm not even an immortal genius (that you know of), and I find I have nothing in common with women under a certain age... and there's a lot less of an age gap between me and say, a 20 year old than the Doctor and ANY of his companions.

I know how dull and frankly infantile the average teen girl is to me, I can't even imagine how they must seem to a multiple millennia old wanderer who has already seen just about everything there is to see.
 
there is no reason why the Doctor would be attracted to most humans, romantically or otherwise
There are at least two reasons why he would positively not have any such attraction to any human.

1) It's intrinsic to his character as established over decades and exactly as would be expected for a character specifically created to teach history and science to kids, The doctor is the teacher role and the companion (usually) is the pupil (the device used for the doctor to educate the audience of kids). I say usually because on occasion (and from the very start) companions have been somewhere between the pupil role and a teaching assistant with more knowledge than the audience but still far less than the Doctor. The high point there is Romana who's irrelevant to this issue not being human herself. You can argue that the element of real historical/scientific educational content fell away during Classic Who but what never fell away was those core character roles.

I appreciate that Nu Who doesn't follow this premise. Feel free to like it on it's own terms but whatever Nu Who is, it's not Dr Who. If it was, it wouldn't have needed all the retcons/changes/expansions to canon

2) The Doctor is a different species to humans! He (and he is a he - I know about the regeneration montage freeze frame but show me an example of a timelord from Classic Who, and there are many to choose from over many years, who changed sex) might not be an action man downstairs and physically capable of screwing a human but having the capability doesn't make it acceptable or normal. Humans can screw dogs amongst many other things. The ability to do it doesn't mean it should be done. By way of an observation, perhaps it's no coincidence that the loudest supporters of Nu Who seem to have such an overlap with the fuck everything degenerates including ReTarD himself.

Oh and the collapse of Nu Who will absolutely be what ReTarD is remembered for. As with Waller-Bridge and Fleabag, his little gay shows collect awards and critical acclaim like it's going out of fashion but it's all within their own little echo chamber. When you look at the real world reception the audience figures, reaction and reaction those "great successes" suddenly ain't so great and they fade into insignificance almost immediately. Once they get their hands on something with actual real world appeal (Dr Who, Indiana Jones) the illusion collapses and everyone gets to see exactly what they are.
 
Hot take: I've never bought the arguments trying to justify the Doctor being celibate with lore or claiming humans are too insignificant for him or whatever. All time lords, including him, are more human than they would like to admit.

Before you grab your pitchforks, hear me out. I think it's valid to want Doctor Who to focus only on adventures, like in the classic series, without the Doctor being entangled in romance. Hell that might even be for the best. Anything is better than the mess the show is in.

But Instead of pretending a human couldn't possibly date the Doctor ( a time lord is not even the weirdest thing a human has dated in fiction) or that he's too ancient and galaxy-brained to understand romance, I find it more honest to say: "I don't want romance in my British sci-fi show. Let's keep the focus on adventures."
This post was written by a shipping girl from Tumblr.

The Doctor has very few equals in terms of personality. He's at a stage of life where nothing but another near immortal being would be on the same page as him. It's immersion breaking to think the Doctor would want a relationship with a 20 year old chav and would steal her from her boyfriend. When you're in middle age you look at how young and naive 18-25 year olds are and they're just annoying to you. Their only upside of being young and at their attractive peak. When a man can travel time and space there's no shortage of legally aged pussy (and no shortage of places without age of consent laws if you want to get really dark). There is nothing someone of his age and wisdom would find attractive as a mate in a human and he's been around far too long to be chasing casual human sex. The Doctor isn't a romantic character because he's quite grumpy and strange in his best incarnations. Think of how strange it is when a European and an American couple start living together. So many minor cultural differences are mind blowing.

If you want a romance option make him travel with another Timelord or give him amnesia for a while and have him figuring out who he is. Both work as a series hook. Just don't stick a plastic surgery goblin in the TARDIS and have him horny for her.
 
The Doctor has very few equals in terms of personality. He's at a stage of life where nothing but another near immortal being would be on the same page as him. It's immersion breaking to think the Doctor would want a relationship with a 20 year old chav and would steal her from her boyfriend
But realistically, there is no reason why the Doctor would be attracted to most humans, romantically or otherwise.

Alright, are we just gonna pretend humans dating immortal like elves or other super ancient beings isn’t totally a thing in fiction?

Like, c’mon, Arwen and Aragorn? She’s a thousand-year-old elf, way older than some of the early Doctors. Or take Ah! My Goddess—you got a thousand-year-old goddess vibing with a young Japanese dude

Sure, maybe that’s “unrealistic,” but is it any crazier than zipping through time and space in a dude’s blue box?

I’m not out here pushing for a Doctor romance or anything. I’m just down for whatever’s fun and written well, you know?

But let’s keep it real, saying the Doctor’s “too mature” to date feels like a cop-out. I think the real feeling underneath feeling is actually is to just say : “I don’t want him dating some modern human girl ‘cause I don’t think they are worthy of him” and call it a day.

Oh, and like others have said, toss in another Time Lord, and poof, problem solved. So, really, some people just need to admit, what they really feel is : “I don’t want the Doctor having a romance in the show.” No need to whip out the "lore" or supposed "realism" to flex that take.

Now I respect people that grew with the show and just want it to be as it used to be in classic Who, with the doctor being more of a mentor figure. Now that's a reason that makes sense.
 
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Arwen and Aragorn? She’s a thousand-year-old elf, way older than some of the early Doctors.
Aragorn is not a normal human. He's near immortal himself.
Ah! My Goddess—you got a thousand-year-old goddess vibing with a young Japanese dude
You're a faggot for walking anime.
I’m not out here pushing for a Doctor romance or anything. I’m just down for whatever’s fun and written well, you know?
You are pushing really hard for it and you're clearly young from the slang you're using. You don't understand what older people are saying and think we're just prudes. Romance is just not needed, it doesn't add to the story except to appeal to women and that ended up with Tumblr. Tumblr ended up killing the series.

I still need to find Dr Who audio books. When did big finish go to shit so I know a cut off date?
 
Romance is just not needed, it doesn't add to the story except to appeal to women and that ended up with Tumblr. Tumblr ended up killing the series.

Ha, thanks for the honesty.

Like I said, I am not pushing for romance. I just find that saying "I don't want romance in my favorite sci Fi show" a more honest take than acting like a fictional shows about a time traveling alien couldn't possible have romance because it's too "unrealistic" and it has super deep lore and stuff.
 
Ha, thanks for the honesty.

Like I said, I am not pushing for romance. I just find that saying "I don't want romance in my favorite sci Fi show" a more honest take than acting like a fictional shows about a time traveling alien couldn't possible have romance because it's too "unrealistic" and it has super deep lore and stuff.
You're being dishonest then saying others are. You are pushing for romance and arguing for it.

I explained why the adult male fan base aren't interested in The Doctor being a romance figure. Any time spent on romance is less time spent on world building, exploration and adventure. The Doctor as a character is a grandfather or a teacher. With every single media now pandering to women is it so wrong to ask for something men and boys would enjoy? You know, the original Doctor Who fanbase?
 
I just find that saying "I don't want romance in my favorite sci Fi show" a more honest take than acting like a fictional shows about a time traveling alien couldn't possible have romance because it's too "unrealistic" and it has super deep lore and stuff.
These two things aren't mutually exclusive. I don't want romance in Doctor Who because it's a Sci fi show, and adding romance to it is gay and retarded and detracts from the Sci fi focus. I also think that it would be creepy for 400 year old William Hartnell to be romantically involved with a 19 year old chav, and that replacing him with 900 year old David Tennant doesn't make it any less creepy.

There's two things I believe simultaneously. One is personal preference and the other is lore related because it has to do with the Doctor's age. QED you're full of it.
 
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I also think that it would be creepy for 500 year old William Hartnell to be romantically involved with a 19 year old chav, and that replacing him with 900 ear old David Tennant doesn't make it any less creepy.
Why the fuck would the doctor be interested in genuine romance with the random people he meets on his travels to begin with? He has (had, lol) a whole family.

I don't think Susan would be very cool with the idea of her grandfather fucking around while her grandmother and parents are still waiting back on Gallifrey for him.

I still need to find Dr Who audio books. When did big finish go to shit so I know a cut off date?
Not really a readily-available cutoff date, sadly. Some stories are just worse than others, regardless of when.

I'd say most of the 6th doctor stories are pretty good.

Like, c’mon, Arwen and Aragorn? She’s a thousand-year-old elf, way older than some of the early Doctors. Or take Ah! My Goddess—you got a thousand-year-old goddess vibing with a young Japanese dude
The difference is that those are ethereal/otherworldy/supernatural beings so the relationship they have with mortals is viewed through an entirely different lens. They're fundamentally, spiritually, conceptually, completely different beings.

The Doctor is literally just an alien who looks young despite being like 900 years old. He's just a regular dude but with different genetics.

He's like... Edward Cullen if Edward Cullen wasn't a vampire and just used stem cells to rejuvenate himself, which is a lot more creepy in concept than Arwen and Aragorn or a goddess falling in love with a mortal man ala mythology.
 
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Aragorn is a Numenor. They live over 200 years (he dies at 210) and he was raised by Elves since he was 2 years old. He's such a bad example of immortal-mortal romance stories because he's a super natural creature himself. He's a super human and his people were Tolkien's version of Atlantis. And the Elven woman he took for a bride gave up her Elven immortality to become mortal with him. He was as close to an equal as she could get other than another elf and she sacrificed immortality to be his bride.

Edward Cullen being a vampire doesn't stop it being creepy when he bonds with Bella who is young and dumb compared to him. Twilight explains this as super natural pair bonding. Some people are basically soul mates and their bonding can't be helped.

How creepy would you find your grandfather hitting on a child? That's what the Doctor is doing.
 
I never really liked the romance between Rose and Nine
Honestly, what romance?

Besides Rose crushing on him because he's the Doctor and the time vortex kiss literally 2 minutes before he died, I honesty don't remember there being much if any sexual tension between Rose and Nine. Its one of the parts of his season that I actually admired, Nine had no time for that shit.

Rose and 10 though? Full on melodrama levels. Half their screentime together was Rose eyefucking him and him getting more and more into it as the series went on before turning them into full-blown star-crossed lovers. Ten cucking Mickey was the prelude to Eleven cucking Rory.

Also, while I'm here. What do you guys think of this Dalek redesign? They're supposed to be more classic-inspired.
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The difference is that those are ethereal/otherworldy/supernatural beings so the relationship they have with mortals

Dude she literally became mortal . Bell dandy is an anime girl. That’s a s far as you can go you from super ethereal and otherworldly.

You're being dishonest then saying others are. You are pushing for romance and arguing for it.

Yeap I can see why you said you were a tumblr shipper. You even do the “decide what’s my opinion for me bit.” It checks out.

Like I said I vibe with anything it it’s well done.

Yeah, I can see why you don’t like romance… But I mean I never said they were contradictory. I only said it was dishonest to base it ONLY on lore to hide a personal distaste for seeing our golden boy dating.
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I mean you’all would have to retcon all doctors since the eight becuase he has been busy. It’s canon he had sex with the queen of England. It’s been a thing way before RTD.

But now that I got everyone’s hate I will have my full on my downvote squad moment and say even I liked River and the doctor. It was cute.

If romance is done well I am all for it. If not then I will enjoy the cool sci.fi show. Downvote away! I am standing by my words.
 
Daleks all look the same. Call me when we start seeing the brains inside the cybermen again.
 
Honestly, what romance?

Besides Rose crushing on him because he's the Doctor and the time vortex kiss literally 2 minutes before he died, I honesty don't remember there being much if any sexual tension between Rose and Nine. Its one of the parts of his season that I actually admired, Nine had no time for that shit.

Rose and 10 though? Full on melodrama levels. Half their screentime together was Rose eyefucking him and him getting more and more into it as the series went on before turning them into full-blown star-crossed lovers. Ten cucking Mickey was the prelude to Eleven cucking Rory.

Also, while I'm here. What do you guys think of this Dalek redesign? They're supposed to be more classic-inspired. View attachment 7838082
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i would love either of these. i think what the daleks need is a redesign or recolor, but not one that's too drastic. the dalek paradigm had a cool idea, to introduce multiple different kinds of daleks that could have a governmental system for new storytelling - plus some sweet sweet merch sales from kids - but it had two fundamental issues imo:

1) A design change as drastic as the New Paradigm just goes against everything that looking at the Daleks conveys to us the viewer. Daleks think their design and DNA is flawless, tho they will make changes to survive only the ones like the Cult of Skaro will make radical changes like altering entire pieces of DNA. I think this mindset should carry over to the Dalek Battle Tank and its design, like maybe that's what the Capaldi two parter was trying to convey: that while different the designs are so similar they can be shown all together EXCEPT for the Paradigm. Maybe the Daleks in-universe thought they went too far. The dangers of being a reactionary are shown in how the daleks have stagnated, with the same design choices they've made thousands of years ago still being used. Almost replacing the plunger for example is what I didnt like about the Chibnall era designs, tho I do like the fascist government Dalek design for looking like a human-made dalek design as oxymoronic as that is. The dangers of being a reactionary is in contrast with the Cybermen who are the dangers of being a progressive. I think cybermen changing designs so drastically is a genius way of showing them as representative of constant iteration and advancement of technology, never settling on one design and always flinging stuff out. However I think cybermen should always be homogenous. I could see different dalek casings existing, but to always being representative of the original blueprint, but the cybermen should fling out and discard anything that isn't up to date (I didnt like seeing all kinds of Cybermen in the Doctor Falls even if the Black Hole explanation, meaning they sent up Mondasian Mk 1s before the upgraded Cybuslikes and NiS designs later and they just arrived in similar times, technically works). That provides contrast and conveys the themes of both: the cybermen are always updating, but always the same as eachother. Daleks can have differences in models denoting to rank, but almost never change the basics

2) This second point then ties into my last, it was also a change that didn't go far enough. I think that the Cult of Skaro is an interesting part of Dalek lore and I think that as the Emperor, Series 4 Supreme and ofc. Davros show is that the Dalek leadership doesn't conform as strictly to the mere soldier following the prime directive of extermination philosophy. We have Drones, Scientists, Strategists, the Eternal and the Supreme, the ones on the lower end should've had almost close to the time war design, the supreme could have the exact paradigm design that's bigger, bulkier and badder and then some of the more specialized and weirder roles should've experimented with the design. To show that Daleks are using innovation as a necessary evil to strengthen their drones so their philosophy and conquest can be achieved without "tainting the purity" of the base dalek form. I think stuff like maybe the scientists have different arm designs or even have an outright open casing to use their tentacles. maybe the Eternal, being this mysterious dalek who is trying to research methods to keep his race surviving, has a weird and completely undalek design. I think that would've stopped the paradigm from looking so ridiculous and toyetic. i also think that they should've introduced these roles and other designs in dripfeed form. at first show us just a supreme and some drones, maybe the eternal too, then overtime introduce the other two or three
 
I think the issue with the New Paradigm daleks comes from

1) The design. It's ass compared to the Nu-dalek design. They went from a war-worn brass military tank look to top-heavy plastic mcdonalds toys with hunchbacks. They look like giant toys, and the color variants didn't help.

2) The studio's misuse of them. The fans (warranted) pushback on the design basically made them too scared to actually use the new dalek designs beyond singular cameos. The New Paradigm daleks show up like twice and do nothing of importance besides help seal 11 in the Pandorica, then they brought back the old design people liked and the NPD basically just devolved into background cameos before disappearing entirely.

The only Dr Who property I even remember that actually attempted to use the NPD designs as the new design was the Dr Who point and click telltale-esque adventure game.
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It more or less boils down to the design being too lame to make people instantly like them AND the studio being too scared to use them in enough stories for the design to grow on people, all because the initial reaction was so bad. They had a rough introduction then were never given the chance to win people over.

Honestly all they really needed to do was make the design more in-line with the established Dalek silhouette (basically make them less bulky and smaller) and make the paintjobs less plastic-y and more metallic. Basically just do this:
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A video essayist troon VerilyBitchie put out a video on how bad the Eurovision episode of Doctor Who was, because - like fucking everything else apparently - it's pro-Israel:
Unironically? This actually means something: If the main fucking audience of the show in the BBC's eyes has turned against it, if the attempts at wokeness have backfired because of a single issue that audience disagrees with, then I could see the BBC massively pivoting and firing Juno Dawson and ReTarD. It's RTDover, It's Whover, etc.

also WhoCulture huffs copium
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And in other news I was rewatching the slitheen two parter and i have some thoughts:

i find it underrated in a lot of aspects because the character drama is interesting, the setting is cool and the slitheen have fleshed out personalities and an angle with potential for more storylines. they can disguise as people, they can hunt, but they're also mobsters. i think their plan is pretty good all in all

and then it hwe its bad aspects like the costumes bobbing up and down instead of being well puppeteered, incoherent satire and the choice to put in forced juvenille comedy, but those can be taken in a so bad it's good way like twin dilemma can be. so these bump it up too

but then my major problem is it completely falls apart in the back half of part two, because the doctor's solution makes no sense. so the slitheen are going to start ww3 in order to irradiate the planet, so the doctor gets mickey to hack into unit and fire a missile at 10 downing street. a weaker missile but still a missile. alright, how would this not also cause a second war? there was an attack that killed the acting prime minister, as far as everyone knows, right after they were given access to nuclear codes to kill those aliens. wouldnt someone think aliens hacked into this submarine to fire at downing street?

like to some extent there's an excuse, UNIT sort of overrides authority and can get away with this to an extent and the slitheen cant just become the prime minister because he's too thin therefore their access was restricted and thus they dont have the ability to get into UNIT or become someone powerful enough to use UNIT. so UNIT could've used the Nukes and then the Slitheen cant, so their scheme still has to happen. I just dont get how this is the solution to the episode, because wouldn't the general public think that just like how aliens got into Downing Street and killed all the alien experts they now managed to get the prime minister? Wouldn't there be a general panic that could cause another world government to start firing nukes into space or cause the UK or UN to strike another country? Why does everyone believe Harriet when she says everything was okay? Like her testimony, plus some eyewitnesses would definitely win people over but I mean in the immediate moment why does everyone stop panicking so quickly?

Maybe if that were part of the Doctor's plan, like get the Slitheen to disarm humanity and then blow them up, but the Doctor comes to this absurd conclusion very quickly and we're expected not to see all the inevitable conclusions of the fallout. it feels like an ending that could have worked with a couple more drafts, but it feels like RTD's first ever second parter deus ex machina

I also watched Partners in Crime and that's just a way tighter script. Like there's ways to write these plot points in a way that you don't have to explain it in order to have it make sense. Take the gold chain in that episode: Donna uses hers to activate that woman early. Now at first you think "well do they all do that?" and it turns out that there's something that gets done when someone buys it specifically that makes it tune to their biology, and "raw" ones which haven't been purchased are used to activate it since the employees wouldn't want to get their hand on something that could kill them. So Donna's wasn't keyed to her, it was keyed to whoever was near her just like how Foster can do it from a distance presumably via some kind of technology. I'm an easy lay, I can recognize when I'm overthinking, sometimes a plothole isn't a plothole if you pay attention or can be waved away if the greater whole makes sense, but that really bothered me when watching because it legitimately took all narrative weight from the climax via sheer confusion
 
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