Dr. Who

[Dante Alighieri]

I think I'll finish season 10 and then rewatch Battlestar Galactica again, and just leave Doctor Who in the past where it should stay. Fringe has been pretty good and it really captures the energy of the X-Files.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I've been rewatching all of new who recently and it occured to me how unbelievably fucking good the doctor who soundtrack is. The writing a lot of the time is questionable and the special effects can get super corny, but Murray Gold's does like 90% of the heavy lifting and is consistently fucking fantastic, his music helps uplift large swathes of the show. Even excluding things that appear over and over like the dalek theme, even one off songs are ridiculously good.

Song of Freedom:

Clara:

Westminster theme:

I am the Doctor:

S4 Doc:

The shepard's boy:

Doomsday:

Hell, the guy can even do lyrical songs. I legitimately thought love don't roam was an 60s classic, I was shocked when I found a song this good was made specifically for the show by murray.

Plus, inarguably, Murray Gold has done more to define the cybermen with the theme he composed than all previous showrunners put toogether. Half the reason of what makes the cybermen intimidating instead of silly/corny is the bombass music that follows them everywhere.

Same with the daleks which are literally trashcans with plungers. A trascan with a plunger isn't scary, but a trashcan with a plunger with THIS blasting in the background is:

Murray gold consistently punched several orders of magnitude above his weight, his music did a lot to uplift corny and mediocre scenes and episodes into epics and actually good episodes into sci fi masterpieces.

I was watching journey's end and the scene where the scooby gang sits around the tardis lugging a giant CGI earth behind them like triple A, a scene that would have been corny as fuck, but song of freedom playing in the background makes it several orders of magnitude more epic than it deserves to be. And shepard's boy uplifts an already fantastic episode into what is probably the absolute best episode of the modern era.

Replacing Murray with another shitty talentless DEI hack probably did just as much if not more damage than Chinball, RTD Whitaker and Gatwa. Yeah these retards would have still shat the bed in the writing and acting department, but Murray could have put a bandaid over it like he was already doing for vast swathes of the show's history. I'm still convinced the only reason the cybermen and daleks have ANY credence as modern villains is because of their music.

Honestly in hindsight its really bizzare isn't it? They replaced all the good actors, all the good writers, and as the cherry on the shit pie they probably got rid of one of the most talented musicians they could have possibly ever gotten for the show.

 

[DoubleD]

They brought him back in the Disney era, so all the good it did. Proof, if ever we needed any, that delicious chocolate mixed with dog shit is unfortunately dog shit.

But it's funny how easily you forget to mention they brought Murray Gold back.

A few weeks ago, I was telling one of my friends who isn't a Doctor Who fan (he stopped watching after Tennant left) about how bad the show has become. It was a long conversation, but I only got as far as telling him about the preachy Series 11 and the equally obnoxious 'Doctor-was-a-multi-racial-refugee' plot twist. There was a cursory mention of how Flux destroyed the universe and didn't un-destroy it. But only after we'd changed the subject to something else did I realise that the Disney era was wholly absent from our discussion.

Despite it being the most recent TWO seasons, Doctor Who (2023-present(?)) is already an irrelevance. And that largely has to do with it not being the era that killed the show. Anti-woke youtubers (the ones who are still covering the show) tend to agree that Gatwa is worse than Whittaker in what seems to me like recency bias. I personally think Whittaker is worse. But I suppose it doesn't matter who is worse in the grand scheme of things. Because even if Gatwa was 100,000 times worse, or if 'Season 3' literally begins with Billie Piper regenerating into a non-binary fat Paki with cerebral palsy, the Whittaker era will always be what killed the show. And it will go down in history for that.

I suppose, for one thing, because it was watched by so many more people.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

But it's funny how easily you forget to mention they brought Murray Gold back.

I watched 1 and a half seasons of whitaker and I gave up because it was genuinely unwatchably dogshit in the worst way: By being boring as fuck. I will generally finish or continue stuff even if it is complete ass as long as its complete ass in an entertaining way, e.g. the boys, invincible, scavenger's reign, and a million other shows and series, in the same way watching someone pour fireworks into a trashfire is entertaining. Chinball's era was so boring I could not bring myslf to continue watching because it felt like watching paint dry.

I was gonna give a shot to the next doctor after her but then RTD pulled the tranny allien theythem pronoun male presenting time lord shit and I decided it just wasn't worth the effort of even bothering with because he already played his hand by showing us he wasn't planning on fixing the writing.

I personally think Whittaker is worse.

The issue with Whittaker is that she was grossly miscast in the same way casting steven hawking to play usain bolt is miscasting. The Doctor is fundumentally a male character archetype that is a composite of the most famous historical and mythological male archetypes in human storytelling from the past 10.000 years. The sage, the soldier, the grandfather, the trickster, the professor.

You can yammer on and on about how much women are just as good as men and can do everything the men can and whatever until you turn blue in the face, but you are not overturning ten thousand years of universally recongnized cultural canon. Canon mind you, that exists and survived for so long for a reason. You cannot genderswap odysseus into a woman and have it work.

The fact that she was an awful actress was just compounding on the fact that she is physically and spiritually incapable of playing the role, even if she could act.

There was a cursory mention of how Flux destroyed the universe and didn't un-destroy it.

To this day I genuinely have absolutely ZERO idea what the fuck flux is about and seemingly nobody else does either, because I've seen people tear appart nucti's seasons and whitaker's first two, but apparently flux was so boring not even youtube critics want a bite of it which is WILD.

 

[ShortPoppy]

They brought him back in the Disney era, so all the good it did. Proof, if ever we needed any, that delicious chocolate mixed with dog shit is unfortunately dog shit.

But it's funny how easily you forget to mention they brought Murray Gold back.

He even had a brief cameo on screen in the episode with the Beatles, during the finishing musical number. He was concentrating on playing the piano and not participating in the hype, iirc.
I agree that the music in the first few seasons of NuWho was fantastic, so it's notable how forgettable it was in the last 2, despite having the same composer. Maybe he just didn't give a shit anymore. Like in the other music-based episode - the Eurovision one - the supposedly anthemic, inspiring song of the pseudo Palestinian race is gone from my mind, but I still remember (and can hum along to) the song of the Ood.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

He even had a brief cameo on screen in the episode with the Beatles, during the finishing musical number. He was concentrating on playing the piano and not participating in the hype, iirc.
I agree that the music in the first few seasons of NuWho was fantastic, so it's notable how forgettable it was in the last 2, despite having the same composer. Maybe he just didn't give a shit anymore. Like in the other music-based episode - the Eurovision one - the supposedly anthemic, inspiring song of the pseudo Palestinian race is gone from my mind, but I still remember (and can hum along to) the song of the Ood.

Considering that even all the way upto capaldi his work was stellar I assume he was a little bitter over being shitcanend by chibnall without the BBC interveining and if he was a fan he was probably disillusioned by how shit the series had become so he wasn't putting his 100% in.

I just looked up the song in question and yeah. Its forgetable at best. The song of freedom does what its trying to much better.

 

[PLB]

He even had a brief cameo on screen in the episode with the Beatles, during the finishing musical number. He was concentrating on playing the piano and not participating in the hype, iirc.
I agree that the music in the first few seasons of NuWho was fantastic, so it's notable how forgettable it was in the last 2, despite having the same composer. Maybe he just didn't give a shit anymore. Like in the other music-based episode - the Eurovision one - the supposedly anthemic, inspiring song of the pseudo Palestinian race is gone from my mind, but I still remember (and can hum along to) the song of the Ood.

I cant give you specifics but i remember the music being pretty good for most part of the disney seasons. I'd assume the shitty Political song is bad because he was uninterested in it, Dugga Doo that he made for the episode for himself because he wanted to is a banger.

 

[HahaYes]

how unbelievably fucking good the doctor who soundtrack is

The Impossible Planet and Vale Decem were always my favourites. The cello in the former is absolutely, hauntingly beautiful, and I was blessed enough to see the latter performed live during the DW Symphonic Spectacular tour, fantastic concert tbh

 

[The Great One]

I wonder, what's your guys thoughts on classic who music?

 

[Gan Ying]

I wonder, what's your guys thoughts on classic who music?

It's mostly kind of forgettable. They changed composers too often, and used a lot of supplemental stock BGM, so IMO it never really felt cohesive throughout the run.
There are some gems though. The "cyberman" theme that also got used for a few other monsters in the 60s is memorable and kinda haunting.

 

[The Great One]

It's mostly kind of forgettable. They changed composers too often, and used a lot of supplemental stock BGM, so IMO it never really felt cohesive throughout the run.
There are some gems though. The "cyberman" theme that also got used for a few other monsters in the 60s is memorable and kinda haunting.

my favorite composers and music from classic who have to be the ones from the 80s, I like some of the 60s music but the 80s stuff (while very synthy) sometimes is good. I'd say my favorite composers have to be Peter Howell, Paddy Kingsland, Keff McCulloch, and Dominic Glynn.

 

[Really makes you thunk]

Hell, the guy can even do lyrical songs. I legitimately thought love don't roam was an 60s classic, I was shocked when I found a song this good was made specifically for the show by murray.

I always assumed it was made to be a royalty-free alternative to "The Snake" by Al Wilson, because they couldn't afford/justify paying for the rights. The part of the song they dance to in the episode matches up with it, and the lyrics would foreshadow Lance being a traitor and Donna being naively trusting of him.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Nardole is a much better character and companion than Bill. Fuck Bill.

 

[ShortPoppy]

The theme from The Mind of Evil (1971) is iconic. From what I remember, this theme would start playing whenever this malicious psychic alien began torturing its victims to death by overwhelming them with their worst fears.
I suppose some would find this corny, but I just love synth music from this era.

 

[Gan Ying]

The theme from The Mind of Evil (1971) is iconic.

Similarly, so is the Master's hypnosis theme, which also started being used in 1971 and made it all the way up to 1973 I'm pretty sure.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Samuel Fuller]

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We have our new Virgil, folks!

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Re: The Daleks' Master Plan, I'm shocked! I remember the omnirumor back in 2012-2013 that lead to finds of The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear. Some of the people involved made statements online that made it sound there was more but there wasn't and there was a bit of controversy.

I thought with how much time had gone by that surely that would be the last discovery.

decided to check back on ol russell's instagram. this was from january 10th where russell and his twink boy toy met up with the black lych queen: whoopi goldberg

"Guess where my arm is going tonight?"

 

[starborn427614]

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Is that line even open? Jodie seems to be absent.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

"I wish I understood Latin" I guess the Doctor never told Bill about the TARDIS translation feature? Did she never wonder? God.

Edit:

Well.