The last time we had a political message this on the nose was The Happiness Patrol's subtle as a brick to the testicles commentary on Margaret Thatcher. And it was still more subtle than the Rosa Parks episode sounds. Interestingly, The Happiness Patrol came right before Classic Who's cancellation. History can repeat itself...
It seems we're overreacting a little here. Looking at set photos and the such, which I've been keeping up with, it seems Chibnall's actually planning to do diversity right. As in, have black people appear in historically black events, same with ole whitey.
Basically, no "history is a whitewash", "everyone in Victorian England was black", type of shite from last year. Have we all forgot about that? I mean, if Doctor Who wants to educate then it can. That's what the show was made for back in 1963, after all, until the bug eyed monsters stole the show. It at least won't be Moffat's idea of educational, which is "bending history in a useful and progressive way."
I mean, I wouldn't listen to anything Holden has to say, he likes to stir the pot a bit. He stopped watching the two Mathieson episodes aired, he's not exactly an authority on quality.
I mean, let's be honest, this just sounds like RTD era Mark II at this point. Keep in mind how shite the guest stars back then where, and how the whole thing was a giant "muh Rose" soap opera.
I hate virtue signaling more than anyone but sometimes I feel like some people in this thread are getting a bit too over dramatic with whatever fate is going to happen to this show.
Regardless of virtue signaling or not I don't think a pure historical episode will go over well at all.
I hate virtue signaling more than anyone but sometimes I feel like some people in this thread are getting a bit too over dramatic with whatever fate is going to happen to this show.
Doctor Who in general always goes in these sort of cycles. Keep in mind in 2004 the discourse was "Russell T. Davies is doing Doctor Who?! A popstar playing the companion?! He's wearing a leather jacket?! Ruined forever!"
In my opinion Doctor Who has never been consistently great television in the first place. I rarely watch it when it airs anymore, I usually pick it up later and skip whatever episodes don't interest me. It must be exhausting to treat it like a normal show, because no matter what you're digging through shit to find gold.
If the new series is shit, which let's be honest it's likely, I hope it can find an audience regardless. Dreadful Doctor Who is better than no Doctor Who at all, and with further series future writers can work out what to improve and hopefully make 13's era better as it goes along.
Keep in mind the Fifth Doctor started with the extremely dull Castrovalva, but ended with Androzani. Seventh Doctor started with some of the worst Who stories of perhaps all time but ended with Remembrance and Fenric under his belt. RTD started with farting aliens, cat nurses, blowjob slabs and squiggle monsters, but ended with his own masterpieces Midnight and Turn Left.
There's the worry that they'll get too virtue signall-y and not listen to criticism, but I'm not particularly afraid of that personally. I think Chris Chibnall is at least smart enough to listen to people, especially since he's aware of Moffat's faults and as a fellow straight white man will most definitely get the bullet if he does some terrible stories.
Keep in mind Doctor Who is no stranger to hamfisted politics or cringey dialogue, don't you guys remember RTD's wank folder of homosexual tension? Or those bits in the Shakespeare Code where they talk about Harry Potter and call Martha something along the lines of a mudskin?
I had a fit of nostalgia and rediscovered STFU-Moffat, my very first exposure to SJWs. It's long dead but the tantrums they threw were some of the funniest shit I've seen in a fandom.
I had a fit of nostalgia and rediscovered STFU-Moffat, my very first exposure to SJWs. It's long dead but the tantrums they threw were some of the funniest shit I've seen in a fandom.
It's funny... For all I've said about Moffat, Series 5 is still my all time favorite Doctor Who season... And Series One, Two, and most of Three (AKA, most of RTD's abortions of seasons) are my all time least favorite. (I actually still really like series 4, and don't entirely hate the 4.5, aka the "specials" season in retrospect... That "I don't want to go" bullshit last episode was utter shit though)
Moffat was probably the biggest idiot in the world when he wasted Gallifreys return, something that had been being built up for over a decade with 4 doctors on MUH CLARA
Yeah, pretty much. I don't why it's so fun to clown on the guy, he's responsible for a great era of Who after all, but it is. He's not really doing much, just posting on Twitter about his cat (a refreshing change), but he should really get some work given to him.
AY @The_Doctor replying to the Doctor Who board lmao
Yeah, pretty much. I don't why it's so fun to clown on the guy, he's responsible for a great era of Who after all, but it is. He's not really doing much, just posting on Twitter about his cat (a refreshing change), but he should really get some work given to him.
Moffat was probably the biggest idiot in the world when he wasted Gallifreys return, something that had been being built up for over a decade with 4 doctors on MUH CLARA
Of course, most of them in fact... I just have really strong opinions about the characters I dislike the most. And it isn't even that many... Rose, Ace, Leela, and River Song are the only ones that come to mind.
I dont actually dislike Romana, but the actress was kind of bad in the first season of Gallifrey. Actually I think she's gotten better in the second one I'm listening to now... Maybe she just needed some time to remember the role.
Gallifrey is actually *really* winning me over in the second series. It was a great idea to show time lord politics and society, and I'm liking how they're handling it so far.
Some thoughts:
-The first series was very exposition-heavy, and slow... it basically had to be... But the end result was intriguing enough to make me want to check out the second series, and I'm glad I did.
-Certain actors *cough* Lalla Ward/Romana II *cough* seemed to have a difficult job slipping into their character in the first series... (And I think it needs to be said, it was her first time seriously playing the character again in over 20 years.) I'm happy to say I'm not hearing that at all in the second Series. The character is an unwitting politician now, and I like the fact that they don't just blindly make her right or wrong.
-I still don't particularly like the character of Leela, but it isn't the actress's fault. In fact, I'd say she does a great job in some scenes... She's just shackled with a dumb character (who everyone keeps saying is brilliant for some reason), who tends to be an unlikable bitch.
-I also think the two leads have great chemistry with each other, and it was a brilliant idea to have one of the leads be an insider to Gallifrey, and one an outsider.
-The supporting cast is great as well. The character of Narvin is written to be something of an antagonist, though an honorable one, at first at least... but I honestly find some of his concerns with Romana's "Liberal" (their words, not mine) political policies to be valid... And he seems to have a lot more layers than the average character in his spot usually would.
Without having any real idea where his character is going, he actually kind of reminds me of G'Kar from Babylon 5, for reasons...
-Another fast favorite of mine so far is Irving Braxiatel. Apparently he is a character in the Bernice Summerfield series which I have not listened to yet.
He is apparently the brother of the Doctor.
The guy is a manipulator who is also not what he seems... and it's fun.
-Series 2 has
A great use and integration of Mary Tamm's Romana I, though I'm not going to elaborate on it any more.
Edit: -Some might dislike this, but I actually really like the fact that "Gallifrey" does not heavily, (or at all so far) lean on the Doctor. Helpful as he would be in some of their problems, I think it would be extremely out of character for him to step in and interfere with political bullshit.
If anyone cares and doesn't consider this to be spergy :autism:, I can continue to give my thoughts as I proceed through the series. If not, then oh well.
Yeah I disagree with this the historical episodes at least to me are always a drag to get through, it never really feels like anyone can do anything of consequence in the story its just going to move foreward to whatever event of historical importance i.e. the burning of rome. You can use the historical story as context for other things to happen but getting so bogged down in something the character know is going to happen and cant do anything about ruins any kind of tension/investment. The Marco Polo serial was awful.
