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I liked "The Return of Doctor Mysterio." It was trash, but a love letter to comic books like that warms the cockles of my heart. Certainly better than anything that featured in Season 10.

This is apparently what happened: "According to the Daily Mirror, the Doctor Who Christmas special is cancelled because the team have “run out” of festive storylines." So not even a year in, and the well is running dry. Sounds about right for Moffat's successor.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
I liked "The Return of Doctor Mysterio." It was trash, but a love letter to comic books like that warms the cockles of my heart. Certainly better than anything that featured in Season 10.

This is apparently what happened: "According to the Daily Mirror, the Doctor Who Christmas special is cancelled because the team have “run out” of festive storylines." So not even a year in, and the well is running dry. Sounds about right for Moffat's successor.
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How the fuck can you not come up with a single festive story? Like, I don't think Daleks as christmas trees has been done. The real answer is that they're now woke af, so they had to make up a generic "holiday" special, instead of a christmas one. So that means almost every prior plot is out.
 
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To be fair, every Christmas special with the possible exception of “The Christmas Invasion” has been shit so maybe this is a good call.
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You skirted a "disagree" from me because of that last joke, but I actually do really like the majority of the Christmas episodes. Ironically, "The Christmas Invasion" was one of the bad ones imho. (It was actually one of the worst RTD episodes to me, lol- The Doctor is completely useless for half or it, and he acts like a fucking asshole for like a quarter of it- which is pretty indicative of 10 in general.)
 
VoreDoggy said:
How the fuck can you not come up with a single festive story? Like, I don't think Daleks as christmas trees has been done. The real answer is that they're now woke af, so they had to make up a generic "holiday" special, instead of a christmas one. So that means almost every prior plot is out.
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That's the thing. The Christmas Special doesn't need to be super-Christmasy, it just needs to involve Christmas in some way. Literally setting the story on December 25th is good enough.

E: Though now that I think of it, maybe tossing the Christmas time slot that Mof and RTD worked so hard to get/keep is his revenge for Moffat forcing him to come up with yet another way to bring the Master back from the dead. I thought that was a dick move TBH.
 
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It's just an excuse tbh. They don't have to write a Christmas episode and it's not some great, ancient tradition to do one. Chibnall is already experimenting enough with the Who episodes so I can see them holding back and not rehashing A Christmas Carol for the fifth bloody time.
 
I quite enjoyed this one - better than last week's at least (not that that's saying much). There was a bit too much going on though and I feel like if the episode had dialled back the multiple storylines and chosen one to focus on it would've been much better. Also, the alien reminded me of these ones from Galaxy Quest:

 
That episode was pretty decent I guess. Trash monkey was cute but a knock-off stitch, Yaz is still devoid of personality, base under siege was good but not enough people died for my tastes, as always, Ryan was pretty good.
I wish they did more with The Doctor being in a situation where she wasn't in control, had to take orders, etc. It was kind of set up and then just let go when the presumably Greek guy died. Over all 7/10

Edit: do you think that Yaz being devoid of personality is so that they (BBC/Chibnall) don't get criticism for being sexist/racist for giving her class or whatever so they have her do bugger all and have no discernible character traits?
 
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In terms of Christmas episodes nothing can top episode seven of The Daleks' Master Plan.


Also is this current season really that woke and PC? Because honestly the "woke" elements are very tame and are just there in the background for the most part. Even when they address topics it really doesn't feel forced. The Rosa Parks episode was very well handled and could have been a lot worse. It seems most of it comes from the BBC promotional circus (the cringy shattering the glass ceiling trailer for example) and outside discourse by the media.
 
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Cyborg Scars said:
Edit: do you think that Yaz being devoid of personality is so that they (BBC/Chibnall) don't get criticism for being sexist/racist for giving her class or whatever so they have her do bugger all and have no discernible character traits?

I wish they did more with The Doctor being in a situation where she wasn't in control, had to take orders, etc. It was kind of set up and then just let go when the presumably Greek guy died. Over all 7/10
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I reversed those parts of your post because I think you kinda answered your own question. I've had a concern from Day 1 that they can never give Thirteen any of the vulnerability or wham moments that previous Doctors showed (off the top of my head: the "you would make a good Dalek" gut-punch from Dalek, Adelaide's suicide to fix the timeline, the death of John Smith in Family of Blood, the Doctor's defeat by the Midnight entity) because that would be muh sore giney.
 
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Edit: do you think that Yaz being devoid of personality is so that they (BBC/Chibnall) don't get criticism for being sexist/racist for giving her class or whatever so they have her do bugger all and have no discernible character traits?
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Yes. Also, inb4 the some hindu dindu makes "The problem with Yaz" anyway.
 
SnowBall said:
Also is this current season really that woke and PC? Because honestly the "woke" elements are very tame and are just there in the background for the most part. Even when they address topics it really doesn't feel forced. The Rosa Parks episode was very well handled and could have been a lot worse. It seems most of it comes from the BBC promotional circus (the cringy shattering the glass ceiling trailer for example) and outside discourse by the media.
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It's not aggressively woke, but it's in line with the inner-city culture now. This is probably the first season where I wouldn't be surprised to see a rainbow tardis in pride month, whereas it would've been a slight surprise under Moffat.

Like, the Rosa Parks episode was far better than it could've been, but I remember a few lines about being shocked by racism, whereas bias in the past was naturally worked in before, and not really highlighted.
 
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It's not aggressively woke, but it's in line with the inner-city culture now. This is probably the first season where I wouldn't be surprised to see a rainbow tardis in pride month, whereas it would've been a slight surprise under Moffat.
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Moffat got progressively (heh) more woke as time went by- compare/contrast the "Family of Blood" two-parter with "Thin Ice." Considering the general trajectory of BBC products, I have no doubt that Chibs will start seeing how woke he can get once he settles into his groove.
 
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Moffat got progressively (heh) more woke as time went by- compare/contrast the "Family of Blood" two-parter with "Thin Ice." Considering the general trajectory of BBC products, I have no doubt that Chibs will start seeing how woke he can get once he settles into his groove.
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He didn't write either tho.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Moffat got progressively (heh) more woke as time went by- compare/contrast the "Family of Blood" two-parter with "Thin Ice." Considering the general trajectory of BBC products, I have no doubt that Chibs will start seeing how woke he can get once he settles into his groove.
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I sort of stopped remembering names near the end of his run, but the episode where he made the first doctor excessively sexist, just to show how woke $CURRENTYEAR is, is one which stands out.
 
It was alright.

The whole naming a child 'Avacado Pear' thing is weird, but I guess history could mess up like that.... though it's not that crazy that someone might call their child that even now, and that makes me sad.

If the next episode can't flesh Yaz out I don't know what will.
 
This Doctor continues to be obnoxious as fuck. That isn't actually as big of a criticism from me on its head is it may appear to be, especially compared to other Doctors this early on in their runs- However, unlike other Doctors that really needed to be knocked down several pegs early on and eventually were, I don't have any real hope that they will do that for this 13, for reasons that others have already mentioned. (Me so giny)

-I didn't at all understand the relationship between the general, her husband, and her... err sex droid?
-The Shitty CGI monster was completely implausible and looked ridiculous. @TheImportantFart was right, that was totally one of those random aliens from Galaxy Quest, except those looked *significantly* better, nearly 20 years earlier. (Admittedly with probably way more of a budget... but still... 20 years earlier.)
-The pregnant man sub plot was just fucking weird, and felt completely out of place with the tone of the rest of the story. I get that it was meant to further Ryan as a character with his daddy issues, but it still felt completely out of place here.
-Once again Graham was by far the best character in the episode. I don't even know why, but I absolutely love that he watched every single episode of some shitty birthing show, and always looked away during the "squeamish bits".
-Yaz looking at the ship engine and acting like she had any clue at all about how it worked made me face palm hard. "Oh yeah we totally learned about antimatter in schools." Sure you did Yaz, suree you did.
-For like the 4th time this series, this "I hate guns, and you can't even *look* at a gun if you're around me" Doctor used an explosion to save the day. Once again, the only reason it didn't result in the violent death of the monster (and by the way, it really *should* have, that thing is just going to wake up later and kill more people, and that is totally this Doctor's fault.), is because the plot said it didn't.
-The baby naming joke at the end got a legit chuckle from me, despite being even more tonally out of place than the pregnant man subplot as a whole was. (It like... immediately cut to them eulogizing the dead general.)
-I think that eulogy at the end was trying to be deep or something... It really wasn't.
TL;DR This wasn't a terrible episode, but it was still pretty far from being a good one.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Moffat got progressively (heh) more woke as time went by- compare/contrast the "Family of Blood" two-parter with "Thin Ice." Considering the general trajectory of BBC products, I have no doubt that Chibs will start seeing how woke he can get once he settles into his groove.
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I also doubt Chibs would be so utterly asinie for the wokeness. Or really he does better than most writers do with these subjects. It's why he put the minorities back in the box of history where they belong to write more interesting stories than the horseshit Moffats Team was pulling at the end.

Also this episode was way better than my instincts said and was shockingly appropriate for Rememberance Sunday. The twist of the motw being... Not the Motw was very good.
 
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