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That's just Kaled mutant incubation room talk.

"Do I have the right?"


Thanks for the responses to my last review. Have had some computer issues. Should be posting up Episode 2 Sea Devils review soon.

@UnKillFill Tooth and Claw? I enjoyed your review but I recall rather enjoying that episode. The flying monks were a bit bonkers but I thought it had nice ideas and unlike you, I actually found Ten's dismay at Rose's antics amusing. I hope you make it through to Donna Noble, one of my two favourite companions of NuWho. The whole accent thing with Rose reminded me of Donna's "I'm speaking Latin? What happens if I speak Latin?"

Lol, when Jon Perwtee heard about those photos, he said "Typical Katy".

Really? That's amusing. But he can talk:
 
The Sea Devils - Part Two

So we ended last episode on a cliffhanger. Not quite as much of a cliffhanger as in Dragonfire when the Seventh Doctor ended up hanging from a... cliff (only to casually clamber back up again next episode) but still a cliffhanger with Jo and the Doctor trapped on a sea base with a sea devil lurking in the background. We open this episode with a Jo (who has clothes on, for your information!) yelling "it's coming towards us". And indeed a lumbering, heavy-breathing figure is doing exactly that, but it turns out to be the terrified survivor of last episode's fatal poker night. This poor chap has not merely been confronted with a murderous, heat-ray wielding fish-person; but is then asked to sustain a panicked gasping state of terror throughout the entirety of Jo and the Doctor's exposition dialogue. There's only so many times an actor can grimace and collapse before it becomes strained, but he does his best. Finally the Doctor puts him out of his misery by rustling up a syringe of drugs and giving the guy a shot. I'll be calling him Doctor Feelgood from here on.

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It's interesting to see how smoothly the Doctor and his companion get on in this era. Some good-natured sparring on occasion but otherwise a well-oiled machine. Makes quite a contrast to the Rose episodes @UnKillFill is currently reviewing where the two are routinely at odds on some subtle competing level.

Anyway, it turns out those dastardly fishies have hooked the base's radio transmitter - they're not taking any chances with these uppity mammals. So Doctor Feelgood asks if there are any transistor radios on the base, explaining to Joe, in great technical detail, how you can turn a radio reciever into a transmitter. So the show hasn't entirely forgotten its mandate to educate its viewers, yet. The Doctor's quest to listen to Night Ride hits a setback, however, when he and a Sea Devil nearly bump right into each other, causing Doctor Feelgood to call for peaceful dialogue, and the mostly peaceful Sea Devil to try and zap him with a heat-ray. Doctor Feelgood is too spry for the old trout, however and makes it back to Jo, slamming the metal door behind him. A clever idea here when Doctor Feelgood strings some wire from a fusebox to the door and has the Sea Devil electrocute himself trying to get through. Fried Fish is back on the menu boys!

With the Sea Devils temporarily vanquished, we're back over to the naval base for some exposition. It seems to be dawn now which means Doctor Feelgood has been working on turning his transistor radio into a transmitter for about eight hours. Considering Ten managed to cure all known diseases in the Galaxy in around four minutes, Third really needs to step up his game. But we'll put it down to the distraction of Jo in that white and purple pants suit. Who incidentally calls the Doctor's mess of wires "Modern Art". Based Jo laying the smack down on post-modernism, that's what I like to see!

Going to take a second here just to say that practical effects can hold up better than you expect. The Sea Devils themselves may look like something from a carnival parade but the way the metal door is eaten away is pretty cool. I wonder how they did it?

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(a crappy looking still of an actually pretty cool effect, watching the metal of the door be eaten away inch by inch).

Also, the writer of this episode Malcolm Hulke clearly got some ear-bending by the nerds of the day because in this the Doctor remarks that the creatures should have been called Eocenes rather than Silurians and that whoever named them that clearly didn't know what they were talking about. Respect to Malcolm Hulke for calling himself out, there! Clearly a man not above striving for self-improvement.

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More cars with no doors. I'm convinced they are meant to be futuristic. But what's this? The Master is loose. And in disguise! Some things never change. I confess I got a kick out of seeing the Simm master bring back the tradition in the Cyberman origin story episode. What's he doing? Rifling through the naval base's supply cupboard. Not the most dramatic of plans and even manages to get himself spotted by Jo.

A quick dash back to the prison and he's calmly back in his cell claiming to have been there all along. Unsurprisingly the Doctor doesn't fall for this ruse and the Master tries to assasinate Doctor Feelgood with a GUN! He's quickly disarmed by some Venusian Akido, accompanied by gigantic "AKIDOH" yell. They then pick up some conveniently placed rapiers. The Doctor proves to be Inigo Montoya in this conflict and handily defeats the Master. Only to turn his back on the Master at the end who then pulls a knife from his sock and throws it at the Doctor. And what happens then? Well, you guessed it - cliffhanger!

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-I don't mind 10 speaking with Tennant's natural accent. But this is the second episode in a row where Rose uses a cartoonishly bad fake accent. Get better jokes RTD.
I wish Tennant had used his natural accent rather than the fake "Estuary English" one he actually used. His natural voice is much warmer. The excuse that they didn't want it to look like they were touring the North because Eccleston's a Mancunian was pathetic.
@UnKillFill Tooth and Claw? I enjoyed your review but I recall rather enjoying that episode. The flying monks were a bit bonkers but I thought it had nice ideas and unlike you, I actually found Ten's dismay at Rose's antics amusing.
I love "Tooth and Claw". After the dismal "New Earth" it was a breath of fresh air.
Also, the writer of this episode Malcolm Hulke clearly got some ear-bending by the nerds of the day because in this the Doctor remarks that the creatures should have been called Eocenes rather than Silurians and that whoever named them that clearly didn't know what they were talking about. Respect to Malcolm Hulke for calling himself out, there! Clearly a man not above striving for self-improvement.
Malcolm Hulke was a filthy commie (as you can see from the star pin on his lapel). I'm not saying that as hyperbole - he was genuinely a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain at one point.

And his episodes are still less heavy handed than some of the rubbish we get today.
They then pick up some conveniently placed rapiers. The Doctor proves to be Inigo Montoya in this conflict and handily defeats the Master.
That sword fight is one of the greatest things ever put to film. Some of the slashes were so slow, they could've had landing lights.

Also, without wanting to create a pile up of reviews, here's my review of Destiny of the Daleks:

Before I dig into this story, I need to address a couple of (pink) elephants in the room.

The first is that this episode has another authorship controversy. Although it's credited to Terry Nation and is cited as his final script for Doctor Who, Douglas Adams (who was script editor at the time) apparently rewrote as much as 98% of the story, which I have no trouble believing because his fingerprints are all over it. Apparently all Nation contributed was the basic outline and K-9 being minimally involved in the story.

Douglas Adams is a writer who you will either love or hate. I'm a fan personally, but the number of douchey creative writing students I've come across who think they're being "quirky" and "funny" by copying his style (which is unfortunately very easy to mimic, but also very difficult to match if you know what I mean) has soured things a bit. Adams was essentially Joss Whedon before Joss Whedon was a thing.

I also think Adams' contributions to Doctor Who are a little overrated. The Pirate Planet has some great ideas, but it's not a great story overall, especially when it doesn't have the budget to back those ideas up (how anyone thought they could pull it off is beyond me). City of Death is wonderful, but Shada would probably be forgotten as another pedestrian story were it not for the fact it was left unfinished and became the legendary "lost" story. Adams is also responsible for ushering The Horns of Nimon into production, which ended up being the season finale after Shada was cancelled (if I'd been watching Doctor Who at the time, I'd have been pissed). Also, if you were interested in checking out the long-awaited novelisation of his unmade story Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen, I can tell you right now not to waste your time (although to be fair, that was written by someone pretending to be Adams rather than the man himself).

Adams was also responsible for the next elephant in the room - Romana's regeneration scene, which happens at the beginning of this episode. Mary Tamm, who played the first Romana, decided not to return for a second season as she felt the character wasn't being used to her full potential. Lalla Ward, who'd guest starred in the previous story, "The Armageddon Factor" as a completely different character was drafted in to replace her. I think the idea of having a Time Lord companion and having to deal with them regenerating is genius, but the way it's handled here leaves a lot to be desired.

Although I said this was Romana's regeneration scene, there's no actual regeneration. The episode starts and she's already regenerated offscreen. The episode doesn't give any explanation as to why other than she felt like changing bodies (although I've seen theories put forward that she regenerated due to being tortured by the Shadow in the last story) and there aren't post-regenerative complications. On its own that might raise a few eyebrows, but what happens next confines the scene to infamy.

When the Doctor asks her to try on some different bodies, Romana regenerates a further three times (and one of the regenerations is into an alien that looks nothing like a Time Lord). There have been various explanations put forward as to how this is possible (one of which is that it's a trick similar to Ten regrowing his hand in "The Christmas Invasion"). I personally think Adams was just mucking around (I think this also goes for a dumb Dalek-related retcon detailed below), but it doesn't make this scene any less stupid. Best just to forget about it really.

Now that's out of the way, let's get on with it:

Doctor to Romana II: “You can’t go around wearing copies of bodies”
You’re one to talk. You’ve done it twice already (the Abbot of Amboise and Salamander) and you’ll do it twice more (Commander Maxil and Caecilius (and I guess John Frobisher too)). And that’s not even counting spin-offs.

If you've ever read War of the Daleks by John Peel (and if you haven't, don't worry, it's not very good), you'll know they've actually landed on Antalin here rather than Skaro. An entire convoluted plot point just to explain why Skaro looks a bit different in this story. It's almost as bad as writing an entire book just to explain why the Celestial Toymaker acts slightly differently in The Nightmare Fair and still fucking up the continuity.

Is this Destiny of the Daleks or Invasion of the Space Hobos? (yes, I’m recycling that joke, but this is the second time this has happened and as you’ll come to see, this episode does plenty of recycling of its own).

10 minutes in and the Doctor’s already desecrating a grave site. The Fourth Doctor could be a real cunt sometimes.

What’s Robot Head’s avatar doing flying around in this episode?:

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Also, how is it the model shots are actually more impressive than the ones in Resurrection of the Daleks, which was made half a decade later?

Doctor: “How far away would you say that was?”
Romana: “About a mile.”

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If that’s a mile, the London Marathon suddenly looks a whole lot less impressive.

🎵The hills are alive 🎵
🎵 With the sound of blasting 🎵

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Lol, the Doctor’s supposed to be crushed under an impossibly heavy concrete beam, but whenever Romana brushes up lightly against it, it wobbles. This is why I love Classic Who.

One of the Space Hobos is stalking Romana with a length of rope. I don’t like where this is going. It doesn’t help he looks like Christopher Lloyd and Peter Cushing’s mutant offspring.

They’ve pulled the trick from The Dalek Invasion of Earth where debris falls in front of the TARDIS, blocking it off. Terry Nation was the master of ripping himself off.

Enough jokes have been made about the Movellans being Boney M, so I’ll try something a bit different.
Erm... Walk like a Movellan?

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I’ll show myself out...

Why did we just see Romana falling down the shaft three times from slightly different angles? This isn’t one of Chuck Norris’s roundhouse kicks from Walker, Texas Ranger; we don’t need to see it from multiple angles.

I can actually feel Space Hobo’s disappointment as he realises he can’t use his rope for its originally intended purpose:

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True story - the guy who plays the Movellan Captain was Freddie Mercury’s boyfriend at one point. The outfits the Movellans wear do look like the kind of thing Freddie used to wear on stage. McLaren from Porridge (aka Tony Osoba, aka the most famous black Scotsman ever) also shows up as one of them.

The Dalek crashing through the glass is impressive, but it loses something when a huge plate of glass is still stuck to the Dalek and when the Dalek yells “Do not move” about nine times.

Romana’s expression upon being captured by the Daleks and facing possible death is the same expression I have when I realise I’ve run out of Chilli Heatwave Doritos:

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The Daleks look like absolute crap this story. I quite like the light grey with black sensor domes livery, but they’re scuffed and scraped to hell and don’t have a consistent look (one of them has an extra casing round its luminosity dischargers, but the others don’t), and apparently the one which is a slightly darker grey than the others is the Supreme Dalek when in the past the Supreme Dalek’s been jet black. It gets on my nerves I tells ya.

Talk to the hand, cos the face ain’t listening.

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Fun fact about Tyssan (the guy I’ve previously been referring to as Space Hobo). At the time of filming, the actor who played him was deaf. If you look carefully during one scene, you can see Tom Baker doing some subtle bits of sign language to help him out.

The Daleks left the control room totally unguarded? I know they’ve pretty much got this planet locked down, but that still seems unlike them.

“Tyssan look! I’ve found a stash of giant amoxicillin! Let’s go get stoned!”

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The Doctor giving the Daleks one last middle finger by pointing out they can’t climb after them before scampering off is pretty damned funny.

I know a lot of this story takes place in a mine, but most of the time it looks like they’ve bumbled into the area behind the studio sets (which may well have been a money-saving gambit).

The build up to the Davros reveal is quite well handled even if there’s a bit much of the Doctor going “I know something you don’t know.”

Although the Daleks look tatty this episode, they’re nothing compared to Davros, and not just because he’s covered in cobwebs when we first see him. Michael Wisher (who played Davros in Genesis of the Daleks) wasn’t available to reprise the role (this happened again when they asked him to do it for Resurrection of the Daleks), so they cast David Gooderson instead. Thing was, this episode’s budget was cut to the bone (more than usual) because they blew all their money on a fucking Steadicam (which they abuse the shit out of during some of the chase scenes), so most of the costumes and sets in this story are recycled, including the Davros mask from Genesis, meaning it wasn’t properly fitted to Gooderson’s face. You can see the poor bloke working his mouth extra hard just to try to get the thing to move properly. He’s not a bad Davros (and he’s a super interesting guy - I saw an interview with him recently and had no idea he had such a storied career), but the ill-fitting mask nearly ruins his performance.

MrTARDISReviews pointing out that there’s an explosion sound at the same moment Davros bats the bag of jelly babies away is the only remotely funny thing he’s ever done, and it’s not even that funny. Don’t worry though William. I’ll find out where you nicked that joke from eventually.

What is it with this episode and close ups of fingers flexing? We had Davros doing it at the end of the last episode and now that Movellan chick. Did the director have a finger fetish?

Bahahaha that shot of the Doctor and Davros about to round a corner and then nopeing the fuck out when they see a Dalek was great.

Heeeeeeeere’s Tommy!

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The Movellans consult space Wikipedia. All those donation drives didn’t stop Jimbo having to make cutbacks:

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One of the good points of this episode is the Doctor-Davros dialogue exchanges are excellent.

One of the bad points of this episode is that they hired the worst extras ever to play the space hobos. They’re about to be killed and they look at best slightly miffed and at worst like they’re going to burst out laughing.

Another bad point is David Gooderson looks like he’s drunk driving when wheeling Davros’s chair around. They cut one shot just as he smacks into a wall.

Oh good, Tony Osoba’s back. Just in time to force Fletcher to follow him up a rooftop.

Fuck off with that “Daleks are robots” shit Adams. I suppose that at least when Classic Who did stupid retcons like that, they were generally ignored going forward.

So the Movellans have a highly visible external device which, when removed (which is done very easily), renders them non-functional.
How did this lot bring the Daleks to the brink of defeat again?

Why am I suddenly watching behind the scenes footage from the “Video Killed the Radio Star” music video?:

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Romana’s facepalm as the Doctor boasts about his computer programming skills is memeworthy:

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The Movellans can also be reprogrammed using that external device? Again, how did they bring the Daleks to the brink of destruction?

There was no other option to destroy the Movellan ship than to send a bunch of slow-moving Daleks to Allahu Ackbar the shit out of it?

Once again the Daleks leave the control room unguarded. Idiots.

Wouldn’t it have been a better idea for the Daleks to detonate the explosives themselves rather than having a big red button the Doctor has easy access to?

This isn’t going to be the last time Tyssan comes a cropper of a bunch of tin cans.

Whoa, Romana just grabbed the Movellan captain by the dick (do Movellans even have dicks? And do I want to know the answer to that question?):

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The Doctor just defeated a Dalek by throwing his hat over its eyestalk and Davros is now yelling “Behind you!” This episode has descended into pantomime.

The Doctor’s “Elephants are pink” statement makes me chuckle every time.

The rocks in front of the TARDIS could’ve been easily cleared away all along?

I said this was a story I was "meh" about and I stand by that. This story is just about the most aggressively "meh" thing I've ever seen. It's got some great dialogue and some good ideas, but it's cheap and tacky and there's a lot of nothing happening. If you watch this episode with my review to hand, you'll notice that several minutes pass without me making a comment. This is because for large parts of this story I simply had nothing to say.

There's nothing to particularly praise here, and at the same time there's nothing to get worked up about (except for the Romana regeneration scene and "the Daleks are robots", but the story doesn't make a big deal out of either of those points and they never come up again). It just kind of... exists. Its worst crime is that it's a slightly lame follow-up to Genesis of the Daleks. I can't imagine waiting four years for the next Dalek story and then getting this.

Next time I think I'll do something I haven't seen before, and something which doesn't involve Daleks or Cybermen. Stayed tuned for The Mind of Evil.
 
@UnKillFill Tooth and Claw? I enjoyed your review but I recall rather enjoying that episode. The flying monks were a bit bonkers but I thought it had nice ideas and unlike you, I actually found Ten's dismay at Rose's antics amusing. I hope you make it through to Donna Noble, one of my two favourite companions of NuWho. The whole accent thing with Rose reminded me of Donna's "I'm speaking Latin? What happens if I speak Latin?"
I know I can be a bit hyper-critical of these episodes, (that's honestly most of the fun of doing them while drinking). but believe it or not, I actually *mostly* enjoyed Tooth and Claw. The Scottish Tibetan monks were stupidly awesome, and I wish that it had actually mattered more to the story that they were Scottish Tibetan monks than just the first 5 minutes. For the rest of the story, they could have been Welsh Korean circus jugglers and it would have changed fuck all.

The running "gag" of Rose trying to get Queen Victoria to say that she 'was not amused' genuinely pissed me off, especially the last few times where they were all either literally in, or had just escaped mortal peril. It would have worked better if Rose pulled her "He thinks he's funny, but I am so not amused, are you amused Queen Victoria?" crap only once, realized it was kind of a shitty thing to do, and then the episode forgot about it until the very end where the Queen is still "not amused" by the Doctor and Rose's world of monsters and what not. Rose still wins her 10 quid (and hopefully feels really shitty about it, instead of cheering like she did in the version where she's an unlikable twat) the joke gets a payoff, and maybe just maybe Rose isn't a terrible person. :optimistic:

The ending was dumb, but dumb in the way that every Doctor Who episode is. "The diamond turns the shitty telescope into a moon laser that somehow kills the werewolf alien." I didn't really have a problem with it, even if it was dumb that in this story the queen recuts her diamond every year, and this year it just so happened to be a perfect fit this one time of all times.

As for Donna... The first time I saw Donna, I did get Rose vibes from her, even dismissing her as Rose 2.0. I have since given her a second chance (much like I was trying to give Rose in this re-watch, only Donna succeeded while Rose is failing) and I decided that Donna is something like Rose, only actually done really well. Her chemistry (and thankfully not in a romantic sense) with Tennant was fantastic as well and I look forward to seeing those episodes again, but me no speakie Celtic.
 
Malcolm Hulke was a filthy commie (as you can see from the star pin on his lapel). I'm not saying that as hyperbole - he was genuinely a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain at one point.

How did I miss that star or the Lenin-like photography of the book cover. So did his politics ever creep into the show? I suppose it's hard to say.

I also think Adams' contributions to Doctor Who are a little overrated. The Pirate Planet has some great ideas, but it's not a great story overall, especially when it doesn't have the budget to back those ideas up (how anyone thought they could pull it off is beyond me). City of Death is wonderful, but Shada would probably be forgotten as another pedestrian story were it not for the fact it was left unfinished and became the legendary "lost" story. Adams is also responsible for ushering The Horns of Nimon into production, which ended up being the season finale after Shada was cancelled (if I'd been watching Doctor Who at the time, I'd have been pissed). Also, if you were interested in checking out the long-awaited novelisation of his unmade story Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen, I can tell you right now not to waste your time (although to be fair, that was written by someone pretending to be Adams rather than the man himself).

Adams was also responsible for the next elephant in the room - Romana's regeneration scene, which happens at the beginning of this episode. Mary Tamm, who played the first Romana, decided not to return for a second season as she felt the character wasn't being used to her full potential. Lalla Ward, who'd guest starred in the previous story, "The Armageddon Factor" as a completely different character was drafted in to replace her. I think the idea of having a Time Lord companion and having to deal with them regenerating is genius, but the way it's handled here leaves a lot to be desired.

Although I said this was Romana's regeneration scene, there's no actual regeneration. The episode starts and she's already regenerated offscreen. The episode doesn't give any explanation as to why other than she felt like changing bodies (although I've seen theories put forward that she regenerated due to being tortured by the Shadow in the last story) and there aren't post-regenerative complications. On its own that might raise a few eyebrows, but what happens next confines the scene to infamy.

When the Doctor asks her to try on some different bodies, Romana regenerates a further three times (and one of the regenerations is into an alien that looks nothing like a Time Lord). There have been various explanations put forward as to how this is possible (one of which is that it's a trick similar to Ten regrowing his hand in "The Christmas Invasion"). I personally think Adams was just mucking around (I think this also goes for a dumb Dalek-related retcon detailed below), but it doesn't make this scene any less stupid. Best just to forget about it really.

I don't like Adams as a Doctor Who writer. I've enjoyed his other works but I don't want Doctor Who turned into parody. City of Death is great and I enjoyed it a lot, but it's counter-balanced by two things I really hate: casual disregard for what the Daleks actually are and Romana's regeneration scene, both of which you've picked up on. I'd actually be okay with Romana picking her own new form if it was represented as some kind of discipline / meditation on her part. We've had hints on other occasions that Time Lords can influence their new form. The Jacobi master (what a crime to have so little of him on screen) says: "if the Doctor can be young, and vigorous, then so can I", or words close to that. I quite like the idea that the Doctor either never practiced the regeneration mental exercises he was supposed to or simply likes to leave things to random chance and surprise himself. But that's not what they go for - it's just disregard of how it works. Romana's regeneration is perhaps the scene I would MOST like to retcon in Who if I could - and there are some strong contenders!

Erm... Walk like a Movellan?

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I’ll show myself out...

"If you want to find the cybercontroller /
"He's hanging out in the doughnut store...🎵"


The Daleks look like absolute crap this story. I quite like the light grey with black sensor domes livery, but they’re scuffed and scraped to hell and don’t have a consistent look (one of them has an extra casing round its luminosity dischargers, but the others don’t), and apparently the one which is a slightly darker grey than the others is the Supreme Dalek when in the past the Supreme Dalek’s been jet black. It gets on my nerves I tells ya.

You just know that out there somewhere, probably on Gallifrey Base, is a lengthy post from someone detailing their hypothesis for why one Dalek has an extra disc and what effect this had on their vision systems.

This also seems like a good point to ask if anyone else ever read the Dalek Second Empire webcomic?

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It's filled with little in-jokes and references like this. Including references to the Movellans and a throwaway background joke where we see the New Paradigm Daleks (which I liked) in the background in the Dalek hall of failures. :biggrin:



I can never entirely condemn any episode that has Lalla Ward in it.
 
I wish Tennant had used his natural accent rather than the fake "Estuary English" one he actually used. His natural voice is much warmer. The excuse that they didn't want it to look like they were touring the North because Eccleston's a Mancunian was pathetic.
To be fair, I can tell the difference between an "English" accent and a "Scottish" accent. But... And I dare say I am hardly alone as a "yank" in saying this- I get that the various different geographic parts of your tiny island have different accents, but most of them sound more or less the same to us. Yeah the accent that 9 affected sounds a bit different than the one that 10 did, but not really in any tangible way to me. I liked Tennant speaking Scottish more, but it wasn't because I ever thought his... er... Mancunian? (I wouldn't have called it that, lol) accent sounded 'bad'. I just thought he sounded better when he was talking the way he did naturally.

As a counterpoint though... It sounds absolutely terrible every time some (by necessity) obviously British person on Doctor Who has to play an American. John Barrowman seems to be the exception to this rule. Whenever I hear you limey bastards pretending to talk like an American, I can understand how bad we must sound to you lot when we try to copy your accent, lol.

I love "Tooth and Claw". After the dismal "New Earth" it was a breath of fresh air.
I totally agree, New Earth was fucking terrible. (I still say that ending where the tranpoline got to tell her previously human self that "she" was beautiful was sooo much better than that episode as a whole deserved.) In a way I'd even say it was completely opposite from Tooth and Claw.

Side note, I'm not familiar with Malcolm Hulke. I see that he was a commie, but I'm guessing nobody ever called him "The Incredible Hulke." though, lol.
 
So did his politics ever creep into the show? I suppose it's hard to say.
They're there if you look for them ("There's no need for a war - why can't you share the planet?") but like I said above it's nowhere near as obnoxious as some of the stuff you see today or even something like The Happiness Patrol. It's sort of like how John Hughes was a libertarian, but you need to dig a bit to find those themes in his work.
This also seems like a good point to ask if anyone else ever read the Dalek Second Empire webcomic?
I haven't read it but it sounds amazing. I'll have to check it out.
To be fair, I can tell the difference between an "English" accent and a "Scottish" accent. But... And I dare say I am hardly alone as a "yank" in saying this- I get that the various different geographic parts of your tiny island have different accents, but most of them sound more or less the same to us. Yeah the accent that 9 affected sounds a bit different than the one that 10 did, but not really in any tangible way to me. I liked Tennant speaking Scottish more, but it wasn't because I ever thought his... er... Mancunian? (I wouldn't have called it that, lol) accent sounded 'bad'. I just thought he sounded better when he was talking the way he did naturally.
That's fair. I still can't tell the difference between an American and a Canadian accent at first blush even though it must be like the difference between English and Scottish for you guys.
As a counterpoint though... It sounds absolutely terrible every time some (by necessity) obviously British person on Doctor Who has to play an American. John Barrowman seems to be the exception to this rule. Whenever I hear you limey bastards pretending to talk like an American, I can understand how bad we must sound to you lot when we try to copy your accent, lol.
Oh boy, wait until you get to "Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks". Those episodes are our revenge for Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins".

The only reason Barrowman can do a decent American is because he lived there from a young age. Like Tennant he's originally Scottish.
 
I haven't read it but it sounds amazing. I'll have to check it out.

Oh boy, as a Classic Who fan, you're going to love this. It's equal parts silliness and reverence to canon. Case in point, training new Daleks is both hillarious and gives logical reasons why despite being able to fly we see Daleks attacking on the ground.

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The amount of love and work that must have gone into Second Empire I can only guess at. Please let me know what you think of it.
 
Oh boy, wait until you get to "Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks". Those episodes are our revenge for Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins".
Not only do I explicitly remember that episode as being a particularly bad example of a ton of British people doing really bad American accents, (and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Raison was by far the worst in that episode if i recall correctly,) but wasn't a pre-"the worst spiderman ever" Andrew Garfield also in that episode? haha.
 
Not only do I explicitly remember that episode as being a particularly bad example of a ton of British people doing really bad American accents, (and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Raison was by far the worst in that episode if i recall correctly,) but wasn't a pre-"the worst spiderman ever" Andrew Garfield also in that episode? haha.
He was indeed. NuWho was very good at casting actors who later hit it big in Hollywood (Carey Mulligan's another example and there are probably others I can't remember off the top of my head).

Sad thing is Miranda Raison's done some great work for Big Finish. It's a shame her one on camera Who role is one to forget.
 
Oh boy, as a Classic Who fan, you're going to love this. It's equal parts silliness and reverence to canon. Case in point, training new Daleks is both hillarious and gives logical reasons why despite being able to fly we see Daleks attacking on the ground.

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The amount of love and work that must have gone into Second Empire I can only guess at. Please let me know what you think of it.
I read this entire thing today (screw working from home) and utterly loved it, thanks for drawing attention to it.
 
Has there been any news about next season? Like at all? I'm finding it hard to maintain any interest in the show nowadays.
Please stop reminding us it's still going. With all this Classic Who and early NuWho goodness filling up the thread, I'd almost forgotten "The Timeless Children" happened.
 
Well this explains some shit. Also apparently no Who until at least 2022 because China virus:

Doctor Who’s Jodie Whittaker Was Raised As Gender Neutral
By ROSS BONAIME | 18 HOURS AGO

In a recent interview with The Times, Doctor Who star Jodie Whittaker discussed her childhood, saying her parents raised her and her brother gender-neutral.

“My brother and I were raised gender-neutral before it was even considered a thing,” Jodie Whittaker said of her upbringing. “We were given equal opportunities and thrown into the same activities. Our parents told us that our social skills and sports were just as important as academic results. They wanted me to be well rounded, able to have a proper conversation and have an inquisitive mind.”

In 2017, Jodie Whittaker became the thirteenth doctor on Doctor Who, taking up the role after Peter Capaldi, and the first woman to play the role. In an interview with The Wrap in 2018, Whittaker discussed gender when it comes to playing Doctor Who. “The fact that a woman is playing an alien over a man playing an alien kind of is irrelevant to the qualifications. It’s playing an alien, and so the gender is irrelevant.”

Jodie Whittaker went on to say, “Essentially, it’s not a gender – the Doctor is a Time Lord, an alien with two hearts. Those things don’t change. The body changes, and the body change between [Christopher Eccleston], David [Tennant] and Matt [Smith] and Peter [Capaldi] – obviously it’s the [same] gender but it’s a very different form that the doctor’s regenerated into, and I am an extension of that change. But not a diversion from it.”

Jodie Whittaker has often had to defend Doctor Who’s choice of casting a woman for their latest doctor, but thankfully, it seems like the silly backlash against Whittaker’s casting has died down. In a vote handled by the RadioTimes this week, Whittaker was voted the second-best Doctor in the show’s history, narrowly losing to David Tennant by just ninety-five votes.

Therefore it should also be exciting to fans of Doctor Who that earlier this year, via Entertainment Weekly, Jodie Whittaker admitted that she’s not leaving the role just yet. “Yes, I’m doing another season,” Whittaker says. “That might be a massive exclusive that I’m not supposed to say, but it’s unhelpful for me to say [I don’t know] because it would be a massive lie! I absolutely adore it. At some point, these shoes are going to be handed on, but it’s not yet. I’m clinging on tight!”

Last week, we reported that unfortunately Doctor Who probably won’t be returning for its thirteenth season until 2022 at the earliest, due to the coronavirus. However, according to Express, Doctor Who’s Christmas special for 2020 has already been filmed and is ready for broadcast.

In 2015, Jodie Whittaker and her husband Christian Contreras gave birth to their daughter, but it’s unclear if they will also make the choice to raise her gender-neutral. In fact, the couple is so private when it comes to their daughter, they have never revealed her name.

Some parents, including celebrities have begun avoiding gender pronouns when it comes to their children. Celebrities such as Adele, Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith, and Angelina Jolie all say they have raised their children as gender-neutral.

Long before Jodie Whittaker, Doctor Who has frequently commented on gender. It makes sense, considering the fluidity of the Doctor. In series ten, episode eleven, “World Enough and Time,” the Doctor explained of his kind, “We’re the most civilized civilization in the universe. We’re billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender and its associated stereotypes.” In the comic story, A Little Help from My Friends,” Whittaker’s version of the doctor stated, “Biological sex is flexible among my people, and gender is merely a social construct.”

The fluidity of Doctor Who has been a part of the character for decades, a groundbreaking concept at the time. When Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor, left the part in 1980, he said, “I wish my successor, whoever he or she might be, the best of luck.” In 1986, Canadian producer Sydney Newman told former BBC Chairman Michael Grade, “At a later stage, Doctor Who should be metamorphosed into a woman” and that he hoped to “avoid a flashy, Hollywood Wonder Woman because this kind of heroine with no flaws is a bore.”

Regardless of her upbringing or how she identifies, Jodie Whittaker has been a great addition to the world of Doctor Who, and an excellent choice for the first female Doctor.
 
“We were given equal opportunities and thrown into the same activities. Our parents told us that our social skills and sports were just as important as academic results. They wanted me to be well rounded, able to have a proper conversation and have an inquisitive mind.”

......is this fish faced spastic really trying to claim that not being shut in a nunnery from birth to do nothing but learn sandwich making and dick sucking constitutes "being raised gender neutral"?
 
......is this fish faced spastic really trying to claim that not being shut in a nunnery from birth to do nothing but learn sandwich making and dick sucking constitutes "being raised gender neutral"?
It is when it's 2020 when Drumpf doesn't believe in science and wants to replace RGB with a Handmaid justice who will take away abortion and womens' right to vote and literally kill trannies REEEEEEEEE
 
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