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A final side note- I finally got Jago and Litefoot Series 14 tonight, but it's fucking long (they turned it into a 4 part audio book like I said). It looks like more than 10 hours long in total. I might say what I thought about it in a few days when I've listened to the whole thing.
I assumed this was a side-effect of adapting the original stories into audiobook format. The double-length probably comes from all that damn narration they added to the reading. (Each story went from about 1 hour to 2, goddamn).

(This is technically a separate point, but I think they're connected.)
I hate to be as cynical as I am, but while the "wokeness" of current day Doctor Who doesn't really seem to have polluted Big Finish to the extent it has in the show proper, I do find myself wondering how much of that is their contractual inability to pull from "NuWho" up to a certain point, which seems to be on a sliding scale.
1. Tell that to James Dreyfuss
2. They bitched out and delayed The Lovecraft Invasion because of some black people riots that were nowhere near them
I don't actually know how long that is, but I could see them making a "Doctor Ruth" series at some point when they get the rights... and if they do that, I will probably abandon Big Finish like I've abandoned the show.
That wouldn't necessarily be out of place in Big Finish, depending on how they do it. Think Doctor Who Unbound; the David Warner Doctor from 2 of those stories became a regular in the New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield.

The real point of no return would be them getting Jenna Coleman and Maisie Williams together for an ongoing range. Like how they did the Charlotte Pollard thing but they keep sinking money into it and dumbasses simp for it (think Star Wars).

I'm hoping that we'll at least get some good Twelfth Doctor stories from them before then as Peter Capaldi was let down by the scripts he had to work with in the show proper.
They're gonna recast his ass like they did with Matt Smith-- the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles Volume 2 is full-cast and the Doctor is played by that fucker they got to mimic him and David Tennant: Jacob Dudman. No other NuWho Doctor has a "volume 2" for that range.
 
I'm hoping that we'll at least get some good Twelfth Doctor stories from them before then as Peter Capaldi was let down by the scripts he had to work with in the show proper.
I really do hope that Capaldi gets to someday be written competently. (At the moment, I still trust BF to do this...) I've forgotten when they first started incorporating nuwho shit though. They currently have the rights to Missy, so one would assume that they could also use Capaldi if he wanted to be there... I don't blame him if he doesn't want to be there... Moffat did him really dirty.
 
I assumed this was a side-effect of adapting the original stories into audiobook format. The double-length probably comes from all that damn narration they added to the reading. (Each story went from about 1 hour to 2, goddamn).
I'm not particularly mad that it's going to take me a shit longer time to listen to all of it. But it *is* still going to take me a shit longer time to listen to it.
I still love Jago and Litefoot. I genuinely hope it's as great as the other stories in this series have been. My only trepidation is that it's an audio book (technically 4 audio books), and not an audio drama like the other 13 have been.

1. Tell that to James Dreyfuss
2. They bitched out and delayed The Lovecraft Invasion because of some black people riots that were nowhere near them
1. Yeah, you're technically correct. I was pissed off when they left him out of the "Every living Master Ever" story they recently did. But to be honest, I didn't think it was a particularly good story, even without him.
2. Ok, yeah I agree, that was some bullshit. But I still think that removing a story because of social justard bullshit is *at least* a little bit better than making a story that explicitly has social justard bullshit shoved into it. I've heard that Liv Chenka fell in love with a troon in one of the most recent 8th Doctor Stories. That might disprove what I just said, but I haven't listened to that one yet. I kind of don't want to... Even though I love 8 >_<. That doesn't even sound in character for Liv...
That wouldn't necessarily be out of place in Big Finish, depending on how they do it. Think Doctor Who Unbound; the David Warner Doctor from 2 of those stories became a regular in the New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield.
The David Warner Doctor was actually *really good* to begin with. I've heard his original "unbound" stories, and I've heard the Bernice Summerfield box sets that had her crossing over into his universe and the ones that had her coming back with him. I don't even particularly *like* Bernice Summerfield all that much (although I love Lisa Bowerman, who plays her.) And they were all solid stories.
I am very much hoping that this ends up with the Warner Doctor getting a team-up story with another Doctor. I think him and Sixie together would be gold, but I'd be open to others. They already had his Master, played by Mark Gatis, who has done a lot of other nu-who related things, cross over with Derek Jacobi's War Master series. Gatis's Master was also in that "every living master ever" crossover that I already shat on here, the one that ignored Dreyfuss.)

The real point of no return would be them getting Jenna Coleman and Maisie Williams together for an ongoing range. Like how they did the Charlotte Pollard thing but they keep sinking money into it and dumbasses simp for it (think Star Wars).
I actually don't hate Clara as much as most people seem to, but I will *definitely* agree that she was Moffat once again giving a character an interesting setup, and utterly failing to stick the landing at the explanation... I will also definitely agree, I wouldn't want to see the hypothetical spinoff about Clara and "Me" in a T.A.R.D.I.S. that he *clearly* tried to set up. I wouldn't want to see (hear?) it in Big Finish either...
I kind of actually *liked* the Charlotte Pollard Adventures that Big Finish did, except... They left it on a cliffhanger years ago, and it doesn't seem like they plan on making the next one any time soon, and I think that sucks.
Alex Kingston is amazing even though her character was written very weirdly
You know, I kind of hated River Song when Moffat was writing her in the show... but Big Finish really changed my opinion of her in their awesome "Diary of River Song" Box sets. It was actually kind of neat to see her play off of earlier Doctors.
 
I'm hoping that we'll at least get some good Twelfth Doctor stories from them before then as Peter Capaldi was let down by the scripts he had to work with in the show proper.
I REALLY wanted to like 12. I was prepared to rank him up there with 2 as a fave.

They just... never utilized what they had save maybe once or twice.
 
I REALLY wanted to like 12. I was prepared to rank him up there with 2 as a fave.

They just... never utilized what they had save maybe once or twice.
I only watched the first season with Capaldi (along with a lot of people apparently, considering how far the ratings nosedived after that dreadful Cybermen two-parter) and he sort of clicked for me. He was like Colin done right, I remember a scene in that episode where they go inside a Dalek and he feeds one of the soldiers a tracking device so he could save everyone else by following the device's signal after the guy gets vaporized and moved to a different spot in the body. Dark as shit and not something you'd see the Tennant or Smith Doctors do with their get-out-of-jail magic wand card. Then I heard he enters a scene in the the next season riding a tank, playing an electric guitar solo and donning shades and decided that we were back to the regular muggy NuWho rubbish. Oh well.

Also the mummy episode was 100% tradwho and a rare 10/10 for the post-2005 show.
 
I only watched the first season with Capaldi (along with a lot of people apparently, considering how far the ratings nosedived after that dreadful Cybermen two-parter) and he sort of clicked for me. He was like Colin done right, I remember a scene in that episode where they go inside a Dalek and he feeds one of the soldiers a tracking device so he could save everyone else by following the device's signal after the guy gets vaporized and moved to a different spot in the body. Dark as shit and not something you'd see the Tennant or Smith Doctors do with their get-out-of-jail magic wand card. Then I heard he enters a scene in the the next season riding a tank, playing an electric guitar solo and donning shades and decided that we were back to the regular muggy NuWho rubbish. Oh well.

Also the mummy episode was 100% tradwho and a rare 10/10 for the post-2005 show.
Mummy on the train was pretty good. Solid. It still has a writing flaw that has kind of plagued all nuWho but I did like it. I've only seen the sfdebris review of hell bent and am impressed with how great that episode was dripping off the review. I definitely need to see the inner dalek episode, thx for the recommendation.
 
I REALLY wanted to like 12. I was prepared to rank him up there with 2 as a fave.

They just... never utilized what they had save maybe once or twice.
Same. His first episode however left an incredibly sour note in my mouth due to how cringy it was watching him try to be funny and goofy n sheeit, which became all the worse once the "theme of the series" was revealed by the end of him trying to discover "who he really is" which actually made me roll my eyes.

Come the subsequent dalek episode with him stumbling and mumbling around while being a massive cunt to anyone who he decided was "a soldier" and any ember of optimism I had was quickly snuffed out.

Then came the next two forgettable beige mush-fest episodes aside from robot of sherwood and that shitty school episode which i never even bothered to watch, in which clara began grating on me exponentially more while the doctor continued to do precisely fucking nothing to impress me in acting or characterisation.

Then came the fucking moon episode......and my interest in doctor who as a franchise died screaming forever.

Even 7 years later I am still not over just how jawdroppingly bad this episode was and how *utterly* these 45 minutes of television destroyed my interest in the series. Even after the shit we have seen pulled with star wars and star trek and a dozen other sci fi/fantasy franchises, this shit still sticks out in my mind as some of the most godawful media I have ever been exposed to. Not only did it destroy my interest in the series, but my fathers as well, and indeed his father too.

Three generations of life long doctor who fans wiped out in less than a fucking hour.

After that.....yeah i did not even bother coming back to the series until the finale two parter and it was as absolute fucking trash as I expected it to be. Capaldi still vacillated between tedious beige mumbling and cringy ass hyperactive over acting.

The next series opened with the davros two parter and it was even worse, combining the utter trash seen thus far with some of the most obnoxious wastes of opportunity ever seen on the show up until that point along with what may have been the shittest worldbuilding to date that continued the ongoing trend of retroactively tainting the franchise by just how fucking stupid the shit being added was(i.e. the daleks charge their weapons by feeling angry and the big end reveal is that the doctor inspires davros to add a fucking dictionary to the daleks design) and thats before the moffat patented "super serious end of season crisis that despite being of lifelong importance to all characters has never been mentioned before and will never be mentioned again once resolved" storyline was introduced with that hybrid bullshit.

After this I did not even bother watching again until the finale, and even then i only was able to watch fragments of that godawful melodramatic overblown trainwreck which despite being shilled to hell and back as "capaldi at his best" just had him continue to overact/underact like some shitty uncle trying to be one of the cool kids and clara continued to be insufferable right up to the moment she finally fucking left, and that fucking gargoyle maisie williams was just the tumorous cherry on top of the cancer sundae of this whole meaningless season.

The next season I never even started and will never watch. However one thing I will say is that i saw a clip on youtube a few months after its finale of capaldi having a scene with the old master in the last episode where his acting seems to have actually slightly improved and matured to the point of being watchable, and for just a few moments during his earnest but somewhat meandering speechifying he actually came across as a halfway decent doctor...

Then the "lol the first doctor was so pwobwematic and shit unlike our superior currentyear doctor" christmas special happened and that final possible spark of goodwill was blown away forever.
 
*A reasonable, but long, opinion*
You know, I respect your opinion a lot of the time, and I still do... but as dumb as "Kill the Moon" was (And it still was... incredibly dumb.) I still don't think it was as bad as "Love and Monsters," from RTD's shittiest series. I only bring that comparison up because I believe I've seen you make it in another thread on here. And I disagree.

The rest of the episode was retarded enough, but Moaning Myrtle from Harry Potter being turned into a chunk of blowjob concrete was worse than most of pre-Chinballs Who for me. I already hate myself for using this word, but I would even genuinely call that 'problematic'.

I would literally rather *die* than share her fate, even if the genders were reversed and I was turned into a (presumably immortal) concrete slab that was supposed to infinitely eat a chick out until she died.
 
You know, I respect your opinion a lot of the time, and I still do... but as dumb as "Kill the Moon" was (And it still was... incredibly dumb.) I still don't think it was as bad as "Love and Monsters," from RTD's shittiest series. I only bring that comparison up because I believe I've seen you make it in another thread on here. And I disagree.

The rest of the episode was retarded enough, but Moaning Myrtle from Harry Potter being turned into a chunk of blowjob concrete was worse than most of pre-Chinballs Who for me. I already hate myself for using this word, but I would even genuinely call that 'problematic'.

I would literally rather *die* than share her fate, even if the genders were reversed and I was turned into a (presumably immortal) concrete slab that was supposed to infinitely eat a chick out until she died.
On paper I fully admit that Love and Monsters is a worse concept than the fucking moon episode. What made the fucking moon episode worse for me however was execution. Love and Monsters was an embarrasingly wannabe-camp and entirely unserious trashfire that barely involved the doctor or obnoxious chav bitch, so its pretty dang easy to entirely mentally write it off without consequence as just some attempt at a zany sideshow rather than a "real" episode.

Fucking moon episode on the other hand was 100% serious and had *sincere* performances and "acting" from the doctor and obnoxious mary sue bitch alongside that fucking bitchbrat they brought along for ballast. It was on every level intended to be a doctor who episode to be taken seriously, and thus that is how I judged it, and i found it to therefore be the worst fucking thing in the franchise till that point, and for a good long while after.

Its like how a shitty fucking farcical pantomime put on by the local special ed drama class can be less godawful and obnoxious than a professionally acted performance of Hamlet by big name actors if all the actors go out of their way to be absolute fucking garbage and the director rewrites the entire script to include "trendy" currentyear buzzwords/narratives and references to fucking tumblr.

Also the doctors speech at the end of the episode was the single most revolting piece of contrived and garbage "inspirationalism" i have ever fucking seen.

EDIT: come to think of it a better comparison would be to Fear Her which was IMO even worse than love and monsters and in the same season, and which coincidentally had many of the same motifs as the fucking moon episode including garbage ass inspirationalism slop, the insufferable bitchbrat kid character played by some niglet who could not act their way out of a wet KFC bucket, and this cringe inducing faux-symbolism regarding childhood and children which was so embarrasing it would make NAMbLA give up kidfucking out of sheer disgust
 
On paper I fully admit that Love and Monsters is a worse concept than the fucking moon episode. What made the fucking moon episode worse for me however was execution. Love and Monsters was an embarrasingly wannabe-camp and entirely unserious trashfire that barely involved the doctor or obnoxious chav bitch, so its pretty dang easy to entirely mentally write it off without consequence as just some attempt at a zany sideshow rather than a "real" episode.

Fucking moon episode on the other hand was 100% serious and had *sincere* performances and "acting" from the doctor and obnoxious mary sue bitch alongside that fucking bitchbrat they brought along for ballast. It was on every level intended to be a doctor who episode to be taken seriously, and thus that is how I judged it, and i found it to therefore be the worst fucking thing in the franchise till that point, and for a good long while after.

Its like how a shitty fucking farcical pantomime put on by the local special ed drama class can be less godawful and obnoxious than a professionally acted performance of Hamlet by big name actors if all the actors go out of their way to be absolute fucking garbage and the director rewrites the entire script to include "trendy" currentyear buzzwords/narratives and references to fucking tumblr.

Also the doctors speech at the end of the episode was the single most revolting piece of contrived and garbage "inspirationalism" i have ever fucking seen.

EDIT: come to think of it a better comparison would be to Fear Her which was IMO even worse than love and monsters and in the same season, and which coincidentally had many of the same motifs as the fucking moon episode including garbage ass inspirationalism slop, the insufferable bitchbrat kid character played by some niglet who could not act their way out of a wet KFC bucket, and this cringe inducing faux-symbolism regarding childhood and children which was so embarrasing it would make NAMbLA give up kidfucking out of sheer disgust
I kind of see your first point... And I honestly can't fault you for the moon episode being your last straw. I've already said I thought it was particularly stupid episode, it just wasn't *my* last straw... If you stopped watching Who after that though, then I think we've *both* missed out on shittier episodes than that one. I'm ok with both of us both thinking that current day Doctor Who is shit, even if we disagree as to *when* that started .

As to your second point, I actually didn't think that "Fear Her" was any worse than "Love and Monsters"... but that's of course all opinion, and the two of them together are still the 1-2 punch (they aired back to back) that makes me *still* say that series 2 was the worst (pre-chinballs) series of nu-who.

For the record, I don't disagree with some of what you said about "Fear Her", but you either greatly exaggerated, or just plain made up the kid-fucking part. Chloe Webber (the terrible child actress said her own name enough times that I still remember it) *was* a physically abused child, and while that is terrible enough in its own right, if her abuse was sexual, that was never stated in the episode (thank god) nor could it have been. So I'll say it again, you just made that up.

Anyway, (*non sexual* child abuse aside), I just personally found "Fear Her" to be more stupid and boring than actually offensive, while I really did find myself disgusted by "Love and Monsters." I already said it once, but I'll say it again- I would *literally* rather die than share the fate of Ursula in that episode, who 10 "saved" by turning her into an immortal blowjob slab of concrete. I would not even wish that fate on an enemy.

I literally can not think of a worse fate for anybody.




It's hard, because nobody cares anymore (I don't blame you), but I'm actually slowly re-watching my way through Series 2 at the moment, and giving my opinions when I do.
 
For the record, I don't disagree with some of what you said about "Fear Her", but you either greatly exaggerated, or just plain made up the kid-fucking part. Chloe Webber (the terrible child actress said her own name enough times that I still remember it) *was* a physically abused child, and while that is terrible enough in its own right, if her abuse was sexual, that was never stated in the episode (thank god) nor could it have been. So I'll say it again, you just made that up.
Yeah i wasnt talking about there being any *actual* kidfucking shown or implied in the episode, it wasnt a torchwood episode after all, just that the nauseating "muh childhood wonder and innocence n sheeit" mush was so goddamn cringe it would turn NAMbLA off kids for good, and this embarrasing theme resurfaced in the fucking moon episode and indeed seems to be a recurring thing with regards to absolute trash media in general
 
I looked through the IMDB plot summaries for a bunch of Capaldi episodes and I know I've seen some of them, but I cannot remember anything about them at all - for example:

"The doctor takes Clara and the children she babysits to a rundown amusement park in space where Cybermen are hiding, and ready to invade the most precious place in the universe, The Doctor's mind."

I know I've seen this - I don't remember a single thing about it apart from the dumb visual of a Cyberman in a theme park, and it's supposed to be, quote, 'one of the good ones'.

The problems with the series have really been there since the beginning of the revival though - I'm in full agreement of the Love ane Monsters/Fear Her 1-2 being some of the worst they've done, but then there's a lot of other dross too that for any other show would be comfortably among the worst things they've shown; Father Dougal as a cat man in an unending traffic jam with retarded crabs at the bottom? An evil television that steals people's faces? Farty alien becomes Mayor of Cardiff which somehow means she can have a flawed nuclear power plant built to blow up the planet or something?
 
I looked through the IMDB plot summaries for a bunch of Capaldi episodes and I know I've seen some of them, but I cannot remember anything about them at all - for example:

"The doctor takes Clara and the children she babysits to a rundown amusement park in space where Cybermen are hiding, and ready to invade the most precious place in the universe, The Doctor's mind."

I know I've seen this - I don't remember a single thing about it apart from the dumb visual of a Cyberman in a theme park, and it's supposed to be, quote, 'one of the good ones'.

That one was written by Neil Gaiman and it's fucking atrocious. Saying that, I can't actually remember what happened in it either, just that I hated it.
 
That one was written by Neil Gaiman and it's fucking atrocious. Saying that, I can't actually remember what happened in it either, just that I hated it.
Didn't Gaiman also write an episode where the Doctor tries to bang an anthropomorphic TARDIS played by a Helena-Bonham-Carter enthusiast? I'm beginning to think that his reputation as a good writer might be unfounded.
 
Didn't Gaiman also write an episode where the Doctor tries to bang an anthropomorphic TARDIS played by a Helena-Bonham-Carter enthusiast? I'm beginning to think that his reputation as a good writer might be unfounded.

I think Amanda Palmer sucked all of the talent out of him, he hasn't written anything good since he took up with her.
 
Yes, The Doctor's Wife in Series 6.
Eh. I liked it because after all the shipping and River Songs and everything else it was the episode to remind everyone:

No, the Doctor's true love is his car.
 
I looked through the IMDB plot summaries for a bunch of Capaldi episodes and I know I've seen some of them, but I cannot remember anything about them at all - for example:

"The doctor takes Clara and the children she babysits to a rundown amusement park in space where Cybermen are hiding, and ready to invade the most precious place in the universe, The Doctor's mind."
I barely remember Nightmare in Silver either, but that was definitely a Smith episode, not a Capaldi episode.
 
As the wiki browsing makes me drown in the sea of autism, asking you guys: do any proper episodes/non-audio media take place in that future which "In the year of the cat" is set in?
 
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