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AnOminous said:
He was the one who introduced the puckish charm that was a core trait of the best subsequent Doctors, including my favorite, Baker.
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NPL but my Dr Who-obsessed kid got to meet many of the classic Doctors at cons, and Baker was far and away the most charming and kindly and gracious with my little grade schooler dressed in his beloved Cyberman costume. Not that the others were rude, but he went above and beyond, and for that alone, I will defend him to the death. He was the Capaldi of Classic Who: a damn fine performer who was given absolute shit to work with and still somehow managed to come off pretty well.
 
Cubanodun said:
While im happy that Chibnall is out knowing the BBC they are kicking Whitaker to put the black Doctor in or invent a excuse about botched regenerations to put a disabled Doctor for brownie points, this being the B*ri*sh after all
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"Botched regenerations" meanwhile it's canon time lords can regrow whole ass defective body parts early enough in... okay fuckers
Judge Holden said:
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I'd be down just out of sheer sadism.
 
alright fine said:
NPL but my Dr Who-obsessed kid got to meet many of the classic Doctors at cons, and Baker was far and away the most charming and kindly and gracious with my little grade schooler dressed in his beloved Cyberman costume. Not that the others were rude, but he went above and beyond, and for that alone, I will defend him to the death. He was the Capaldi of Classic Who: a damn fine performer who was given absolute shit to work with and still somehow managed to come off pretty well.
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I don't think you two are talking about the same Baker.
 
Cubanodun said:
While im happy that Chibnall is out knowing the BBC they are kicking Whitaker to put the black Doctor in or invent a excuse about botched regenerations to put a disabled Doctor for brownie points, this being the B*ri*sh after all
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Ya know i found out the other day that they are doing currentyear update novels for the early episodes of Nu-Who, and apparently the novelisation of "Rose" not only has retconned troons being best friends with chav idiot and her now confirmed rapist niggo boyfriend but has this *wonderful* updated version of what that internet autist's doctor shrine included.....
"Rose saw a photo of a man with a fantastic jaw, dressed in a tweed jacket and bow tie. Then Clive kept the sequence going; an older, angry man in a brown caretaker’s coat, holding a mop; a blonde woman in braces running away from a giant frog in front of Buckingham Palace; a tall, bald black woman wielding a flaming sword; a young girl or boy in a hi-tech wheelchair with what looked like a robot dog at their side…"
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Which means we have a bald black almost-certainly-a-dyke, and a tranny in a wheelchair being heavily hinted as future doctors by official BBC doctor who canon.

.....and I have a really horrible fucking feeling who the BBC will turn to if they decide to triple down on wokesped before the show gets cancelled given how much this specimen seems to be crowbarred into BBC shit these past few years.
 
Judge Holden said:
and now the most controversial one, but hey this is my "optimistic for the show's future" take here, not my "optimistic for a show that wont still be trash on a fundamental level" take....

f) bring back david tennant as the doctor........really: Yes. I know. This is fucking stupid. This is the most desperate fucking pandering the show could ever pull. This is downright fucking pathetic. I know, I know. But again this is me trying to have an "optimistic take" for the show not being cancelled again going forwards even if I really fucking want it to be cancelled myself.

Basically david tennant is still "the face" of nu-who and is still fawned over by tumblr heffers, reminisced over nostalgically by zoomers, not hated too much by old fans, and is generally remembered positively by the wider viewing public in the role, and him being re-cast as the doctor would be one hell of a ratings stunt which could theoretically pay off long term if he was given decent scripts to work with to keep the interest going forwards.

And thanks to the aforementioned 50th anniversary special, this has canonical precedent since there is a future tom baker doctor shown at the end.
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I don't think he would do it; he said himself that he quit when he did in order avoid being taken out of the TARDIS in a box, so he's probably with Eccleston albeit a bit less of a drama queen about it.

That said, given that the Capaldi regeneration established that the Doctor's subconscious can cause him to regenerate into the appearance of others as a Post-It note to himself, this opens up previously unimagined veins of potential fanservice. John Simm? John Barrowman? Derek Jacobi? Bernard Cribbins? Literally any popular side character, dead or alive? People talk a lot of shit about the Davies era, but it's the one that actually succeeded, with Moffatt and Chibnall coasting (downwards) on that success. Go back to what works.
 
The recent news has actually reignited my interest in the franchise and so I've been rewatching old episodes. I wasn't part of the Farms around the time of the 50th, but I loved basically everything about it from Day of the Doctor to The Five-Ish Doctors. What's the general consensus on each part of the anniversary here?
 
starborn427614 said:
The recent news has actually reignited my interest in the franchise and so I've been rewatching old episodes. I wasn't part of the Farms around the time of the 50th, but I loved basically everything about it from Day of the Doctor to The Five-Ish Doctors. What's the general consensus on each part of the anniversary here?
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The true 50th anniversary special was An Adventure in Space and Time.
 
Judge Holden said:
f) bring back david tennant as the doctor........really: Yes. I know. This is fucking stupid. This is the most desperate fucking pandering the show could ever pull. This is downright fucking pathetic. I know, I know. But again this is me trying to have an "optimistic take" for the show not being cancelled again going forwards even if I really fucking want it to be cancelled myself.

Basically david tennant is still "the face" of nu-who and is still fawned over by tumblr heffers, reminisced over nostalgically by zoomers, not hated too much by old fans, and is generally remembered positively by the wider viewing public in the role, and him being re-cast as the doctor would be one hell of a ratings stunt which could theoretically pay off long term if he was given decent scripts to work with to keep the interest going forwards.

And thanks to the aforementioned 50th anniversary special, this has canonical precedent since there is a future tom baker doctor shown at the end.
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The only way you can convince david tennant to return if you also convince Russel t Davies to return. and i don't think that's necessarily a good thing. have you seen Years and Years? Insane Leftist fear porn that was, where they had trump nuking china and have the villian be a Nazi Nigel Farage, among other things.
 
starborn427614 said:
The recent news has actually reignited my interest in the franchise and so I've been rewatching old episodes. I wasn't part of the Farms around the time of the 50th, but I loved basically everything about it from Day of the Doctor to The Five-Ish Doctors. What's the general consensus on each part of the anniversary here?
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Back then I had a twitter and a tumblr. Pretty cringe, I know. But I remember the whole #FishDoctor thing with people wildly speculating what Davison, Colin, and McCoy were up to. Then the surprise announcement of Night of the Doctor and the big reveal of five-ish.

Night of the doctor was a nice little segue for the beginning of the Time War plus canonizing the Big Finish Eighth Doctor series. It was alright. Five-ish Doctors was fun. Yeah, it was dumb fanservice but it was definitely the good kind of dumb fanservice.

I saw Day of the Doctor in a theater. Fucking amazing experience. I honestly liked it. Thought they were going to bring actual Rose Tyler back instead of just BAD WOLF or whatever. Idk I never really hated Rose like some people do.

I would agree though that the real 50th anniversary special was An Adventure in Space and Time. Very touching. I saw some people complain that the bit near the end where Hartnell's on the TARDIS set and sees Matt Smith was Moffat and/or Smith jerking themselves off. First off, Smith didn't write the script. And I honestly don't get how it's self-congratulatory. It's symbolic. I thought it was a 10/10
 
starborn427614 said:
The recent news has actually reignited my interest in the franchise and so I've been rewatching old episodes. I wasn't part of the Farms around the time of the 50th, but I loved basically everything about it from Day of the Doctor to The Five-Ish Doctors. What's the general consensus on each part of the anniversary here?
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Generally not bad, but would have been better if they had used Paul McGann if they couldn't get Eccleston.
 
starborn427614 said:
Least we got John Hurt as the Doctor. He's probably the only guy I'd accept over Eccleston for a war-weary, tired solider version of the character.
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Absolutely, I will forever buy John Hurt a drink for being in one of the greatest movies of all time* and i love to seeing him in stuff.

I just can't help but think it would have been incredible to see Paul really given a chance to shine. Plus it would have set up a great meta joke about why there is so little 8th doc material (it's all timelocked).

*Spaceballs
 
I looked over the viewership ratings for Doctor Who on wiki and I don't think people fully appreciate how thoroughly Chris Chibnall screwed this show.
Making the Doctor a woman was a fantastic move from a marketing perspective. 'Get woke go broke' usually happens because businesses alienate their original audience (typically white dudes) without actually attracting a more diverse replacement. That doesn't seem to have happened with Doctor Who, at least not immediately. In fact UK viewership shot up to 10.3 million for The Woman Who Fell to Earth compared to 9.7 million for Capaldi's first episode and 5.3 for his last. Overall Whittaker's first season has 7.95 million average viewers, which is better than anything nuWho has pulled since 2008. For all the talk of sexist toxic fans, most people were clearly willing to give this new face a chance provided they were given anything substantial to latch on to. Chibnall was handed a golden opportunity to revitalize a stagnant franchise, and he completely blew it with ham-fisted plotlines and weak characterization.

Series 11 had an impressive 7.96 million viewers on average, but that disguises the fact that the show was quickly shedding that extra audience. By the last episode viewership was down to 6.6 million. And it was all downhill from there: episodes in series 12 had only 5.4 million viewers on average, the lowest of the revived series. Winning back an audience is usually harder than keeping one, so I'm not sure where Doctor Who goes from here. I don't think 'black lesbian doctor' is a good enough gimmick to entice the woke crowd again, and casting another white dude will piss those people off even more. Imo Richard Ayoade is their best bet (assuming he's even interested) because he's got diversity cred, a decent acting reputation, and at least some of that inexplicable nerd sex appeal that drew girls to Tennant era Who.
 
Ideally, who would you want to be the next showrunner? Pretty much any notable british scifi personality has swallowed the woke pill, and it clearly show's in their work:
Charlie Brooker? After The recent series of Black Mirror and Death To 2020? I don't think so.
Neil gainman? You mean the man who recently blasted twitter for the recent "sandman" wokeboot and also said nothing when orlando jones was fired from American god's? wouldn't bother.
i've already talked about Russel t Davies.

at this point i'd just recommend putting the program back on "hiatus" until pop culture has gotten their shit back together.
 
AnotherOne said:
For all the talk of sexist toxic fans, most people were clearly willing to give this new face a chance provided they were given anything substantial to latch on to. Chibnall was handed a golden opportunity to revitalize a stagnant franchise, and he completely blew it with ham-fisted plotlines and weak characterization.
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If you want to see how badly Chibnall shit the bed, go back and read my posts in this thread from 2018. I gave the show every chance I could - I went in with an open mind, I was optimistic week to week, and I always gave credit where credit was due. I didn't write the show off because ew female Doctor, woke sjw libtard cuck pc blah blah blah, I wanted it to succeed. I wanted Jodie and Chibnall to hit it out of the park and right the wrongs Moffat left behind. I was probably Series 11's most ardent defender.

Once you've read my posts from 2018, read what I had to say after "The Timeless Children" aired. The contrast will give you whiplash.
 
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