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Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama
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God of Nothing
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He's still making videos?
i wonder how long I'll see this posted around and treated as gospel before he tweets he's never actually seen the show
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The one he did about Power Levels was fairly accurate in my opinion.
What do you think are his most "uneducated" guesses or opinions from the show?
God of Nothing
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I was being coy about his Naruto video midwits and redditors can't stop bringing up because they have the attention span and critical thinking of a fly raised on an ipad. I can't take the fag seriously anymore because of that and him doing the aforementioned tweet.
I could probably watch that entire video and would agree because it's literally all anyone even remotely critical has been saying about DBZ for years at this point.
Lone Star
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Power levels exist in this weird space where people claim it was all just a big joke Toriyama was making, but will also take them deathly seriously, especially when it comes to powerscaling. Power levels mean nothing...but because character X has a power level of Y, he can destroy the planet by flexing his nostrils. Ignoring that even Toriyama made it so power levels do have meaning, the only reason characters lose to other characters is because the winner has a bigger number. He'll stand there and not flinch or get a bruise as the loser wails on him, staying still as a statue, not because of some ability or technique, but just because he has a bigger number.
Echinacea
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This is why the original DB anime(and corresponding part of the manga) was best. It had adventure, humor, fantastical stuff and suspenseful fights.
DB: I must win by being the better fighter and having the most skill
DBZ onwards: I must win by increasing my power
I still love DBZ but it's just stupid. It suffers from zazz oversaturation. Plain old humans that have three eyes and can shoot lazer beams aren't good enough anymore, gotta have aliens that are canonically a MILLION times more powerful than the Budokai champion in DB.
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This has literally never been true.
Like, at all.
All of Goku's training all throughout Dragonball (with exception to Popo + Kami at the very end) was focused entirely on increasing his physical abilities. Roshi's "training" was just arduous physical exercise that increased Goku's physical abilities. Korin's training was just attempting to catch him for however long it took + the strength gained from climbing the tower, and the Ultra Divine Water was just a straight up power increasing poison.
Goku either won or lost his fights solely on either luck or anime grit and determination, or by just straight overpowering his opponents effortlessly.
He lost to Roshi because his legs were shorter. He lost to Tien because he got hit by a car. He lost to Tamborine because he was hungry and tired. He lost to Tao because he was just plain weaker.
Meanwhile, he beats Tao by training and just overpowering him. He beats Tamborine the same way. He beat King Piccolo with a typical anime power through moment.
Early Dragonball gets romanticized a lot because some people seem to think that having read or watched it makes them better than the riff-raff casual watcher who only watched Z, but at the end of the day, it's all remarkably similar to how things play out in Z.
Let's not forget that Goku by the end of OG DB was stronger than "God".
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Saw that in my recommended, never got around to it. His Gohan video was listenable so I expect this one to be interesting. He shouldn't be taken anymore seriously as these videos, as in he's just a man who's just giving his thoughts on a subject and shouldn't be taken as anything scholarly...not that it'll stop certain retards but eh.
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He regurgitates cringe TFS memes like heckin Princess Trunks. Video is trash by default.
Plague is the poster boy for a particular brand of smug faggot that thinks seething about the thing he claims to like makes him the heckin smartest fan. He's not insightful either he wildly oscilates between mainline stuff and using any random crap from filler or movies depending on which suits his seething more. Case in point this video.
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Honestly, it must be so easy to be a successful DB content creator.
All you really need to do is appeal to the lowest common denominator for anime watchers that is the spic and nigger anime fan, and you easily get tens of thousands of views because they can't fucking read, and the idea of a databook must be actual poison.
My most interesting little fact about Dragonball is how the idea that Buu gets the techniques/memories of the people he absorbs is actually fanon, with minor anime canon to back it up, and everyone just takes it for granted that Buu does that. Even though in the manga, when Buutenks sees Goku he's basically completely fucking stumped as to who the fuck he is, and then remembers and calls him "That guy with the weird transformations" from when Fat Buu saw him, and not information from Goten, Piccolo or Trunks. He gains traits, and sometimes raw intellect, but never memories or techniques.
Also, all of the techniques that Buu uses in the Manga, he actually saw somebody use beforehand with his own eyes, and one of Buu's very early established powers is the ability to copy any technique he sees at a glance. (It gets weird in the anime because they have Buu use techniques that he never saw, but the Z anime has lots of filler and isn't true canon)
It's honestly funny that the character that a lot of people seem to think is bullshit and just does whatever may well be one of Toriyama's best examples of consistency as a writer.
(This is also why the "Zen Buu" character from Dragon Ball Multiverse is utter horse shit)
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Roshi was going easy on goku in the first tournament. He held him in the beam thing to get him to submit, if he was trying as hard as he could have, he would have had an easier time winning
Winning by being the most determined would be part of skill. It's not just floating there and shooting a beam in between landscape pans. The tien championship fight had a lot more of a skill element than most z fights even if the ending was luck. At the start of the saiyan arc, earth warriors get outclassed and power becomes something you dont even train for, as much as just transform to obtain. You dont see that to the same extent in DB, even the deus ex machina potion goku gets, he has to work hard for and outsmart his surroundings. Compare that to gohan getting ss
It's not that deep. People like it because its better. Theres more humor and adventure. It has a sense of wonder to it DBZ doesnt match
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Completely fuckng untrue to the point where Roshi in a desperate attempt to win cracked out a technique that is normally lethal to try to get Goku to submit. He just wasn't trying to kill Goku, which, of course, you're not allowed to kill your opponent in the Budokai Tenkaichi.
>Winning by being the most determined is a matter of skill.
When I say "Anime grit and determination" I mean "Goku summons up enough power to blast straight through Demon King Piccolo's chest and win". This isn't a matter of skill, it's a matter of being the main character.
Tien is meant to be just as skilled as Goku, and he gets his ass fucking pulverized in the DKP arc because not main character.
Half of the arcs in classic DB are fucking tournament arcs played completely straight. I like the early part of the series too, but it's by no means better, as the most fondly recalled parts of the first half of Dragon Ball are from the arcs that are generally the least full of wonder and adventure. (Except Tao, Tao was based)
Most of the adventure you fondly recall is Toei Filler.
I advise you read the manga.
Everything about that "working for it" is total filler.
In the manga, Korin just says "Oh by the way, I actually have real Divine Water that makes you stronger, but it kills you" and then Goku drinks it and the next chapter he's fine and can fight Demon King Piccolo.
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TFS was one of, if not the worst things to happen to the 'DB community' online.
Echinacea
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Yes I know it's filler. I don't see what it matters when its part of the anime.
Don't have much interest in the manga. I enjoy the world created by the anime for what it is. I don't know why people say filler like its a bad thing. I'm watching kai now and it feels so rushed in comparison.
The original DB was pretty much a constant adventure. The only part where it got less so and more tedious was the red ribbon army arc
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They are definitely one of the main proponents of the "Goku is a bad dad" meme. It's stunning to me that people even now don't understand why Goku gave Cell the Senzu Bean. It wasn't because he wanted Cell to have a "fair fight" against Gohan, but he was trying to lull Cell into a false sense of security by letting him return to full strength (though Goku probably knew that Cell hadn't even started using his full power so the effect the bean had on Cell's strength would've been minimal). It was because Cell was feeling so confident that he decided to goad Gohan out of interest in his full power.
Like, people seem to ignore the fact that whatever else happened, Goku's plan worked. It only went to shit because Gohan decided to go full edgy school shooter mode on Cell.
Then there's the thing where he chose to remain dead, he did that not out of selfishness, but because as far as he could tell, the last three most dangerous threats to Earth only showed up at all because of him. (The Saiyans were after him.) (Freeza came to Earth to get revenge)(Gero's revenge was targeted at him). Goku choosing to remain dead was him trying to be noble, not because he didn't want to spend time with his son or something.
People say Filler is a bad thing because it's at the end of the day, a complete waste of time that will never be referenced ever again. (Not that Toriyama had a habit of referencing even canon characters all that much). Filler arcs have to be completely self contained adventures that will never impact the story ever again. Super Kaioken in the Z Anime is complete filler that opens up a lot of questions as an example of what happens when you don't do that. As does the existence of Pikkon.
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For every fun filler episode, there's 10 pointless time wasters.
Reading the manga really allows you to get a feel for the true artistic talent of Akira Toriyama, and the fact that so many 'fans" haven't actually read the source material only goes to prove that the majority of DB fans are fucking retards.
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Good filler is what Sailor Moon did, by having at least twenty-five more episodes than what the source material gave them so they could fill in an actual season, instead of having the entire conflict take place in a week and a half on-screen like Crystal did. Even went as far as having an entire group of underlings get purified and survive because they realized that they were sympathetic characters in that version. Not that there were that many purists back then, but there really weren't that many people complaining about Sailor Moon the show being worse than Sailor Moon the comic because it wasn't faithful enough.
Bad filler is Pokémon [Johto season in particular] and Naruto, the more ubiquitous version. Johto having 70 episodes of filler out of 158, meaning it's almost half the series and some particularly large gaps [21 episodes between third and fourth Gym, 28 episodes between fourth and fifth Gym, most of which are just 'let's meet this cool Pokémon doing some random thing and help them out for some reason'], and Naruto's fillers have a poor reputation for reasons already mentioned.
Bad filler is Pokémon [Johto season in particular] and Naruto, the more ubiquitous version. Johto having 70 episodes of filler out of 158, meaning it's almost half the series and some particularly large gaps [21 episodes between third and fourth Gym, 28 episodes between fourth and fifth Gym, most of which are just 'let's meet this cool Pokémon doing some random thing and help them out for some reason'], and Naruto's fillers have a poor reputation for reasons already mentioned.
Lone Star
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For those that don't know, both Naruto and Shippuden each separately have a 41% (not kidding) filler percentage. Never watched a series with such an egregious amount of filler.
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You think thats bad?
Bleach had a 45% filler percentage.
nearly half of every episode of Bleach ever released was filler.