Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

[Symbol of the Chud]

I don't think I would say Cooler is "way more powerful" than Freeza, iirc the moment Goku goes SSJ he rapes Cooler in like 30 seconds whereas Full Power Freeza was able to scrap with SSJ on basically equal footing. Cooler is more stable, but also has a lower power ceiling than his brother and less innate potential.

Nah, that's not it at all.
Cooler is implied to be able to sense energy, and if I'm not mistaken he even believes that Goku using his Kaioken would've been enough to take out Freeza.
Every single DB Movie character is simply built different, including the actual canon characters in the movies. For example, Turles would've been able to destroy Vegeta without even needing the fruit because Goku is just fucking hovering at 30k base in that film, and Lord Slug was apparently on par with Freeza too, and all movie villains are designed to be stronger than the last (except hirudegarn who is designed to be dogshit)
Cooler is great because he doesn't fuck around, when he noticed that Goku was outclassing him he actually baited Goku into aura farming by doing the whole "stand in a cloud of dust as it slowly dissipates" thing while he charged up a planet buster.

 

[Gordumb Bumway]

They do fucking NOTHING interesting with the premise of the Time Patrol and the entire selling point of the series(making an OC Donut Steel) is limited as fuck.

Sorry chud, you WILL enjoy your emotionless power fantasy golem stare blankly while Elder Kai does the same generic anime jokes for the FIFTIETH TIME OH PLEASE MAKE IT STOP

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

It will always piss me off that all the actual interesting/cool what-ifs were basically just limited to bullshit from a now defunct arcade game. Like, where's the Xenoverse mission where the Saiyans in the Saiyan Saga bust out Super Saiyan 3, or Cell Mutates into Cell X, or Buu absorbs Babidi and becomes smart early?
So much potential for fun what-if missions and it's always "what if they started glowing purple and were stronger." Fuck.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I wish they used GT more. No one gives a fuck about GT canon beyond the aura and hype moments, so you can change whatever tf you want for the stories you want to tell in that context. But no, let's just go back to the Raditz fight and play through Z for all eternity.

Like, where's the Xenoverse mission where the Saiyans in the Saiyan Saga bust out Super Saiyan 3

 

[Cave Fisher]

I don't think I would say Cooler is "way more powerful" than Freeza, iirc the moment Goku goes SSJ he rapes Cooler in like 30 seconds whereas Full Power Freeza was able to scrap with SSJ on basically equal footing. Cooler is more stable, but also has a lower power ceiling than his brother and less innate potential.

However even if the assertion of stake fuckery is completely true, his design is way too fucking cool to be left behind in non-canon movie land.

I will always have a lizard-brain desire to see more of him.

I don't care if Cooler has to be awkwardly retconned into chilling on some random other planet this entire time or ruling his own empire to be canon, fucking LOOK AT HIM.
HE LOOKS SO COOL.

Xenoverse is so close to being cool that it makes it even more shit. They do fucking NOTHING interesting with the premise of the Time Patrol and the entire selling point of the series(making an OC Donut Steel) is limited as fuck.

I mean, me personally, I wouldn't make a dragon ball OC just so I could be a mute time fed, anyway. I feel like the time travel stuff in general ran its natural course the first time they did it with Trunks. (And then it ran its unnatural course when they did it again with the same guy but way worse. And again when they did it in DBO despite setting up a new status quo in the setting only to start the time breaker shit in the first place)

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

What if they dropped the OC Donut Steel stuff and just made a game where you time travel and fuck around with alt timelines... as Trunks?

That way you could have the goofy reenactment fights but also have an actual character and overarching story to follow.

 

[Ravana]

A whole game of

 

[Rick The Stick]

What if they dropped the OC Donut Steel stuff and just made a game where you time travel and fuck around with alt timelines... as Trunks?

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That way you could have the goofy reenactment fights but also have an actual character and overarching story to follow.

That's a cool look for Trunks that I've never seen or thought of till now.

I don't care if Cooler has to be awkwardly retconned into chilling on some random other planet this entire time or ruling his own empire to be canon, fucking LOOK AT HIM.
HE LOOKS SO COOL.

If Broly can meme his way into canon, Cooler can too. Right?

 

[Ravana]

New DBM update: Trunks and Bra were also impaled by spikes but they showed it this time lmao remember when a big plot point in Dragonball was a silly talking pig wishing for panties from the magic dragon?

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

New DBM update: Trunks and Bra were also impaled by spikes but they showed it this time lmao remember when a big plot point in Dragonball was a silly talking pig wishing for panties from the magic dragon?

Additionally, Salagir is ignoring his own gay mechanics now too, as it was previously set up that the gay timestop causes you to become brittle and shatter like glass from being hit, yet that didn't happen here. In fact, they even for some reason had Trunks and Bra in a pose where Trunks was hunched over her defensively for some reason, again very strange considering time stopped and they immediately died.
This story sure is retarded.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

That's a cool look for Trunks that I've never seen or thought of till now.

I feel like Trunks wearing the remains of Gohan's gi just kinda.. feels right.

 

[Local FloRida-man]

I never was a big Gohan fan, and I've been annoyed with his stans shitting on anything not the cell saga for over a decade now. I think he'd make a bad main character, since unlike Goku he's content to just stick to the daily grind. Dragon Ball needs a world warrior type that can facilitate all the travelling and adventure, and Gohan was always more of a street level, stay out of Gotham type. Plus I always thought the whole "I was just born right" and "if i get weeeelly angwy I can beat anwun!" was dumb af.

Now with all that said, a thought did occur to me: People say that Goku and Vegeta stole Gohans spotlight but wasn't the character who stole Gohan's shine really...

Spoiler: Gohan Autism

Dende?

Sounds weird, but I 100% believe Gohan should've been the new guardian of earth. The one thing unique to Gohan is that he's the centerpoint to all the important factions: a saiyan born from humans, raised by a namekian and trained by Kais. They could've shown this by having kami/piccolo teach him how to create the dragonballs and heal people. Supreme Kai could teach him telepathy so he could serve as the other characters comms person instead of king kai all the time. It works for him since its not fighting, its a stable job, and imagine if he modernized the lookout with assistants and clerks running around getting chastised by Mr. Popo. Gohan is also shown to be a good teacher with Goten which is great for a spiritual guide. It all fits him perfectly.

Also, it validates piccolos training. As is, it hasn't done shit to make Gohan competitive, and he hasn't even learned anything that makes piccolo the GOAT. No special beam Canon, no light grenade, fuck not even hellzone grenade. Just that retarded looking masenko shit. But what is piccolo known for? Meditating and aura farming. What if THAT was what he was teaching Gohan all along? Perfect for a guardian of earth.

But no, they just gave the role to dende. A guy with no connection to earth and is barely even a character. Seriously, why is he there? He's done nothing since he joined the cast.

Idk, I just think this is a better solution to keeping him relevant than the constant new free power ups from nowhere. Not to mention it would be the perfect excuse to have him keep his namekian drip.

 

[Lone Star]

"I was just born right" and "if i get weeeelly angwy I can beat anwun!" was dumb af.

Don't forget the eighty million times he had his "potential unlocked" which is just really weird for Dragon Ball. There's usually some sort of hard work or near-death experience, no matter how asspully, to explain a power-up, but Gohan just had some old dudes touch him or wave their hands in front of his face and then he grew stronger.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

"if i get weeeelly angwy I can beat anwun!" was dumb af.

This is literally how Goku unlocks SSJ, though. You could also argue that he was "born right" since he's the Mozart to Vegeta's Salieri.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

As is, it hasn't done shit to make Gohan competitive, and he hasn't even learned anything that makes piccolo the GOAT. No special beam Canon

Super Hero revealed he was learning that in secret.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

This is literally how Goku unlocks SSJ, though. You could also argue that he was "born right" since he's the Mozart to Vegeta's Salieri.

No? How do you miss the point this hard?
Goku was literally born weak as fuck. If anything Broly is Mozart, Vegeta is Salieri and Goku shouldn't rank.
Goku overcame his natural weakness by being trained sequentially in order by the greatest Martial Artists on Earth who similarly overcame their natural human weakness (and then was trained by aliens and gods)
Grandpa Gohan, Master Roshi, Korin, Kami, King Kai, the Yardrats, Whis.
Meanwhile Vegeta has almost always gotten stronger by himself, but only now he's training under somebody is he ever really able to properly rival Goku.
Goku is the shonen trope of Hard Work overcoming talent that every other shonen fucks up some how.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Goku is the shonen trope of Hard Work overcoming talent that every other shonen fucks up some how.

Goku is like the exact opposite of that trope. He started out as an overpowered idiot savant that steamrolled basically everyone and learned moves that took Roshi decades to create in seconds. Goku was 11 or 12 at this point btw.

Him ackshually being a weakling compared to [insert_new_villain_here] who has [insert_backstory_here] with Goku is pretty much just an excuse to have a story arc with the latest villain and him training (99% of the time offscreen lol) is just an excuse to justify him being competitive in the arc with the opposition.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Goku is like the exact opposite of that trope. He started out as an overpowered idiot savant that steamrolled basically everyone and learned moves that took Roshi decades to create in seconds. Goku was 11 or 12 at this point btw.

Him ackshually being a weakling compared to [insert_new_villain_here] who has [insert_backstory_here] with Goku is pretty much just an excuse to have a story arc with the latest villain and him training (99% of the time offscreen lol) is just an excuse to justify him being competitive in the arc with the opposition.

Goku has literally been training for his entire life, you insurmountable faggot. Also the Kamehameha thing is a retarded thing to bring up, Goku copied it and the Kamehameha he used was weak as shit, nevermind the fact that he spent most of his youth being trained in the fundamentals by the best student of the turtle school.
Or that it was a fucking gag.
I swear retards like you have never actually read Dragonball. "Goku starts as an overpowered idiot savant" that's called being the protagonist yeah, they win fights no shit, and Goku at least trained. Most pre Roshi training villains are jokes, too. The most threatening is fucking Yamcha.

If Goku had been a modern shonen protagonist his copied kamehameha would've been bigger than Roshi's, and he would've turned out to be the reincarnation of Yamoshi.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

No? How do you miss the point this hard?

Part of the reason Vegeta allowed himself to fall under Babidi's spell was because he realized he could never overcome Goku's natural ability. No matter how hard he trains Goku is always one step ahead, and he makes it look effortless. That's the point.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Part of the reason Vegeta allowed himself to fall under Babidi's spell was because he realized he could never overcome Goku's natural ability. No matter how hard he trains Goku is always one step ahead, and he makes it look effortless. That's the point.

That's not the point, that's Vegeta's cope. Vegeta can't overcome Goku despite his own natural talent because Goku has truly devoted himself to fighting not to become stronger or prove anything to anyone, but because he simply enjoys it. Vegeta for the longest time was too proud to learn under anybody, but the moment he starts is the moment he equals Goku. (Super Saiyan Blue, etc)
Also doesn't help Vegeta much in the Buu Saga that he had his spirit crushed for a bit and stopped training as hard as possible to do family shit while Goku trained in a tireless body 24/7 for 7 years straight basically.
Goku makes it look effortless because that's just the personality he has. He doesn't make anything look hard, sometimes even when he's genuinely fighting a losing battle with his life on the line he won't.
Consider that Vegeta almost never trained for the first 3 decades of his life yet can easily keep up with Goku who never stops. It's not about his talent, it's about his mindset.