Dreadnought: The Quest for Cringe - White-Kettle-Shufflepunk reads a trans YA superhero novel

In the space of a minute, Danny goes from possibly realizing he's done wrong to denying it all. The sum total of Danny's moral development over these two books is a grudging acceptance that killing unnecessarily is bad. It seems unlikely that the justice system is going to do anything here, and we already played the "Come To Jesus talk" card with Doc. So where can this all possibly be going in the time we have left? I feel a half-assed resolution to this is worse than none at all.

Oh my God, I somehow missed that line. Honestly, that destroys any ability in me to give Daniels even the slightest benefit of the doubt. This isn't about morality, or the inherent worth of human life, it's about fucking optics. "We would be absolutely right to rape and murder women for disagreeing with us, they're all secretly planning to detrans us with their womb-magic, but be wary."

I've been talking a lot about vampires lately, but these people fucking think like them.
 
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Honestly, that destroys any ability in me to give Daniels even the slightest benefit of the doubt.
It's hard to say. It's possible that (Daniels+Editor) are making Danny an unreliable, unsympathetic narrator here, and he's still supposed to go through a humbling for his evil ways and learn his lesson. Or this could be another case of an incompletely resolved author/editor collision. Or Daniels really could just be an amoral jackass writing an amoral jackass of a wish-fulfillment self-insert character.
 
I have seen that in some other media, authors who are so high on their own farts they literally cannot imagine anyone in their expected audience not preening over them (or authors at the Unfathomably Based stage, who genuinely don't give a fuck what their intended audience thinks of them) can often end up with surprisingly deep and accurate character moments, because they don't feel the need to keep up a facade, or cheat events so that their darling looks good, if they know in their heart that their darling can't look bad (or genuinely don't care).

The thing is, that is absolutely not what we've gotten here, for the vast majority of the time of the writing. But then again, having Danny both obsess over his legal status and public reputation while rip-and-tearing it up felt...honestly incongruous. Like, I could have bought that a better author was doing that intentionally, American Psycho style.

But my current sad money is on this public revelation being just another obstacle like holding your breath in space that Danny is meant to overcome, and that the triumphant return to the public eye will be revealing the TERF Book Witch's shameful secrets and her losing any popularity or public sympathy, and his own misdeeds being completely forgotten and forgiven. Not because that makes any sense or because that flows from what has been established in the book, but I know what kind of book I'm reading (well, reading along with) at this point.
 
But then again, having Danny both obsess over his legal status and public reputation while rip-and-tearing it up felt...honestly incongruous.
Or approached from the other point of view: Danny's public reputation was great this whole time despite viciously crippling people on-camera all the time. Why should it be any different now?
I think I'm coming around more and more to the idea that the Graywytch stuff in particular has another authorial hand involved.
 
Reading reviews on Goodreads is really funny

There are some people that apparently loved the book but are mad that their stunning and brave transbian is living through anything negative! Oh the horror of experiencing a single negative emotion beside constant euphoria!! The fact that the father does not immediately become a validation machine makes him an abusive asshole, that is enough in their eyes

(Other more sane reviews rightfully point out that the father is a puzzling character as his being physically "abusive" is never shown, which raises questions on whether he is actually a bad character.)


Btw, all the negative reviews I have seen point out how flat the characters are, which has been also the criticism in this thread. Nothing to do with the identity of the author, just his terrible world and character building.

Not just that but the father is hit slap bang with 'my son has just been turned into a woman nonconsentually' (with no mention of any desire for this) and his first response without even having chance to process such a seismic event is to hug his son and reassure him that he'll do everything he can to fix this

Also the reason he's likely keeping Danny home from school is because teenagers in high schools are ruthless when it comes to bullying. Can you imagine going into highschool after having your body reconfigured overnight? Your life wouldn't be worth living

Mr Tozer (did the author bother to name him?) Is the protagonist of this novel
 
Has there been a single instance in the second book where Danny's parents actually talk to him, or have they been reduced to annoying gnats buzzing around the periphery of his consciousness?
 
what's her KF account?

Look, Caroline Farrow had to figure out something to do after the British courts declared her a non-person.

Has there been a single instance in the second book where Danny's parents actually talk to him, or have they been reduced to annoying gnats buzzing around the periphery of his consciousness?


My mother pushes past him as we leave. Her face pleads as much as her voice. “Danny, please, won’t you even talk to us?”


Like magic, Cecilia is there between us, gently but firmly pushing her back. “Ma’am, the conditions of your restraining order enjoin you from speaking to my client.”

“Who are you to keep me from my child?” My mother’s voice shakes; her fists are like claws.


“You picked your side, Janet!” I shout as I try to get my feet to move toward the door.


“Don’t talk to your mother that way,” says my father, his voice dangerously controlled.

Begging to be allowed to speak to her child and defending his wife's dignity. At this rate, if book 3 ever comes out, Roger's only appearences will consist of him healing wounded animals and smashing the Klan like Superman did.
 
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At this rate, if book 3 ever comes out, Roger's only appearences will consist of him caring for small, wounded animals and smashing the Klan like Superman did.
If Garrison and Graywytch really wanted to screw with Danny they would have just given his parents superpowers. Imagine the meltdown when those regressive chuds are more successful, well-adjusted, and beloved in the superhero community than Danny. "The Tozers" would be a byword for wholesome family superheroing like "The Incredibles" and Dreadnought would be the black sheep.
 
If Garrison and Graywytch really wanted to screw with Danny they would have just given his parents superpowers. Imagine the meltdown when those regressive chuds are more successful, well-adjusted, and beloved in the superhero community than Danny. "The Tozers" would be a byword for wholesome family superheroing like "The Incredibles" and Dreadnought would be the black sheep.

Give Roger super-screams. It'd be amazing.
 
The Metahuman Containment Cell is deep in the subbasement of the New Port Police Headquarters building. Down a long, mildew-and-moisture-chic hallway, there’s a vault like you’d find in a large bank.


Cecilia fought tooth and nail to keep me out of this cell. She said it was a deathtrap, said the last person they put in there was murdered, said I had enemies who would come after me and put the lives of officers and civilians at risk. None of those arguments worked.

Are you ready for another long sequence of Danny suffering in captivity? Because April Daniels is. He brought tissues.

They’ve taken my suit and cape. I’ve got to wear jailbird orange until the trial. Or, I suppose, until someone raises ten million dollars for me. Which will happen approximately never. As well paid as I am, Doc and I don’t have even close to that much money between us, and virtually all the money we do have has been sunk into real estate and hypertech supplies. Being an A-level superhero is expensive, so we’ve never had more than a few thousand dollars ready cash between us.

They have set up a couple of GoFundMes, but Kinetiq keeps embezzling the money for her seal-ranch.

With my hands hanging together in front of me in clinking steel bracelets, I am escorted by a phalanx of MRU officers down the hall. They’re going to throw me in another hole, and it takes everything I’ve got not to snap my cuffs and bolt. I’ve got to play along. If I freak out now I’ll play right into Graywytch’s hands. Nobody will ever trust me again if I don’t cooperate.

Danny, in a fit of baseless paranoia, broke into a woman's home and threatened to kill her if he ever decided she was behind any inconvenience he happened to experience. Naturally, this was perfectly justified because she was secretly evil, and was planning to steal Danny's potent seed all along. I'm pretty sure this is the logic of literal witch-hunts.

Detective Phạm is waiting for me near the vault door. She looks haggard, drawn. The phalanx halts while one of their members begins the elaborate unlocking procedure to start opening the door.

“Danielle, I’m sorry it went this way,” she says.

“Me too.”

She pulls a silver cross on a delicate chain out of her pocket and holds it out for me. “Prisoners in solitary are allowed to have a religious token. Here.”

I don’t know how to react politely to that. It’s almost like she’s stuck her foot in the door and asked me if I’ve accepted Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior. Detective Phạm doesn’t seem any more comfortable about this either, the barest hint of blush forming at the edge of her cheeks.

Shit, I think Daniels is flash-backing to 2008. I bet Danny and David had a fun little YouTube channel where they read Chick tracts in silly voices. Also, remember this little civil-rights provision for when we get a look at the accommodations.

“Um, thanks, Detective, but I’m an atheist.”


“Really?” she asks. “Your friend Sarah was really insistent that you’d want it. She said she and Charlie worked hard on finding the right one for you.”

If they're gonna be this blatant, while not just bake a ray-gun into a cake for her or something?

That sure has hell catches my attention, and I freeze my face before I give anything away. How much does she know? And then coming directly on the heels of that, the blissful, glorious realization that Sarah escaped from the police. I hold out my cuffed hands and Phạm drops the necklace into my cupped palms. A little bit of work gets the cross settled around my neck, and I get the barest sense of a static charge as it comes to rest under my shirt. When I look at it in the lattice, I see the cross is squirming and alive with magic, and that the spell extends around my whole body, like a plastic bubble shell. It makes me feel a little bit better. At the very least, I’ll be able to keep my powers if Graywytch and Garrison decide to teleport in and try and slit my throat.

Way to kill off any suspense before it starts.

The MRU is all looming black gasmasks and high-powered riot prods. A few have heavy shotguns that are probably loaded with some ungodly expensive discarding sabot depleted uranium slug rounds or something. One of them nudges me into the vault with the butt of his prod, and I think of all the times I showed them up, and start to wonder if rumors about cops tormenting inmates are true. I guess I’ll find out.

I'm kind of surprised we're putting Danny in solitary rather than some kind of super-jail to make a point about "trans-women in prison." Though, that would require Daniels to write more characters, and he hasn't exactly awed me with his efforts so far.

The centerpiece of the cell is a firm pad like a medical bed attached to a big metal X-rack with magnetic-clamp shackles for the ankles and wrists. They push me onto the cross and lock my ankles down with heavy thuds. A metal ring clamps down across my neck. They twist the adjustment knobs to make the thing small enough for me to fit in properly. When they undo my handcuffs, everyone’s ready to jump in and tase, gas, and shoot me. Once, I’d have found that funny, but now everything feels like lead sheets pushing down on me. My chest feels funny and light. I can breathe, but it doesn’t feel like it’s doing any good. The magnetic shackles thunk closed around my wrists, and I screw my eyes shut and try to keep it together.

In real life, they don't even let people in solitary confinement have a blanket or shoelaces in case of suicide attempts, but this fucking oubliette where we strap people down until trial will let Danny have a necklace? You can't even say she can't do anything with it, because Danny can move shit with his mind!

“Are you gassing the room already?” I ask them between deep breaths.


Two of the cops look at each other. “You’ll know it if we gas you,” one of them says.


“Are these shackles really necessary? I’ve been cooperative.” My lips are beginning to buzz faintly. My skin feels cold.


The MRU cops don’t reply. One of them pulls a cord down from the ceiling and strips the sterile wrapping off an IV needle that he attaches to the thin tube. The needle bends against my skin, and the cop pulls it off and tosses it to the floor. “You’re going to be fed intravenously, or not at all,” she says. “We know you can take blood tests, so let this needle through your skin or starve.”

As someone else pointed out, the fact that supers who haven't even been found guilty of any crimes can be held in these sort of conditions is actually pretty unsettling. Normally, this sort of heavy-handed cruelty would be a sign of something deeply wrong with the establishment, especially when one of your side-characters is a literal anarchist. But here... not really. The story treats the cell's existence like the fucking DMV or something. The only reason it's bad is because Danny is the one here, for the victimless crime of... well, breaking and entering followed by death threats. But she was evil all along, so that makes it okay!

Once they’ve got the feeding line hooked up, there’s a really embarrassing moment involving a catheter that was inserted earlier by the jail medics upstairs. As it was explained to me, once a prisoner goes in the stocks, she doesn’t come out again for any reason except a court date, a transfer to Yucca Mountain, or a judge’s order.

This really feels legally dubious. Also, again, they think a tray-slot is too much of a risk, but they'll let a prisoner have a chain. This is like if you had Magneto's plastic-prison from X2, but they also give him some baoding balls.

I'm guessing Yucca Mountain is some kind of super-prison, so wouldn't it be more humane (and probably more cost-effective) to hold Danny there? I mean, assuming it isn't just a vast, horrifying warehouse of drugged up supervillains. Also, this unit seemingly only has one cell, and apparently other towns and cities pay them to hold supervillains in it. What the fuck do they do when there's more than one superhuman being detained?

I can’t breathe. Like, at all. My lungs pump and air moves, but I can’t get any use out of it. I yank at the shackles in desperation, and they hum and groan as the magnetic field fights back. My still-fragile bones groan in complaint, and I can’t go at it as hard as I’d like. In the shape I’m in, I don’t think I can break this steel, not spread-eagled without any leverage.

Of course she's spread-eagled. I'm shocked the cell doesn't require you to be nude.

“I can’t breathe,” I tell them. “Please let me out.”


I move on to less polite requests. It does nothing. They can’t hear, or don’t care. My heart is going like a rabbit. My head is swimming. Eventually, a little voice in the back of my head tells me to remember that first aid merit badge I got, the only one I earned before dropping out of Boy Scouts. I’m hyperventilating. With an effort of will I take a big, deep breath and hold it. Hold it. Let it go slowly.

Aside from drawing, superhero exposition, and violence, the only interests or pastimes he's bought up are shit he implicitly hated.

That helps, so I do it again. Again. By the tenth breath, my heart has slowed and my lips aren’t numb anymore.

But I’m still in a hole.

If I was a less honest man, I'd told you all this book had a very funny typo there.

I turn around.


And they recoil.


I turn around…


…and they recoil.


They’re scared of me. Over and over in my head, I relive the moment when I realize that they’re all scared of me. The people I fight for. New Port is my home. These are my people, and I’d die for any one of them.

You know, when Batman and Superman say this kind of thing about Gotham or Metropolis, it's usually at least a bit poignant, because both those characters have deep connections to their cities, Batman especially. Danny meanwhile has displayed no particular attachment to Newport or its people. Newport itself is a super thinly sketched setting, which doesn't help. As far as I can tell, it's basically just Seattle but technically fictional so I can't give Daniels shit for messing up details.

But it’s completely fair. Idiot. You let them see too much. What did you think was going to happen? Of course they were always going to hate you. You can’t do anything right.

The morphix has faded. Aside from slow, even breaths, I hold very still. As long as I don’t move, the tears in the muscles and the cracks in my bones won’t hurt. Not too much, anyway. With only dim light to see by, I focus entirely on the lattice and examine my own injuries in sick fascination. It’s kind of amazing I could even stand upright long enough to get in this cell.

But of course, I deserve it. Dreadnought gave me his powers, said the world needed me, and I became this. I became something that scares people. How did that happen? It seemed like that’s what I was supposed to do. Like it was right. Like it was necessary.

But it wasn’t, was it?

This might hit harder if Daniels hadn't done everything he could to make Danny look like the victim in this scenario:

"He's only a violent sadist because of his mean dad!"

"She was a mean TERF!"

"It was all a set up to make him look bad!"

This would be much more impactful if Graywytch had actually only decided to work for the baddies after that little stunt. Aside from that being way too morally grey for Daniels, I think the other reason he didn't go for it is that it would mean this story couldn't all take place over the course of like, a week. Still not sure why it does.

Is there something in the IV? My head feels thick, drowsy. I ask if I’m being sedated, and I get no reply. Sleep comes with strange, twisting dreams that evaporate when I’m awake. Dreams where I’m alone, on the outside. Where people are scared of me and want me to leave. Where everything hurts, and everything is cold.


• • •​


Someone is in the room with me. They stand behind me where I can’t get a good look at them. In the lattice, they’re only a shimmery smear that sets a glass pendant on my chest and runs a knife across my throat. Graywytch hisses with frustration and steps back into the portal she entered through and disappears.

I'm going to give the story the benefit of the doubt and assume the necklace has an enchantment that keeps Myra from just taking it off and using Garrison's channeled power to stab the little shit.

With the intravenous drip in my arm, I don’t get hungry. It’s hard to tell when I’m awake. When the door hisses steam and begins to open I am startled out of a stupor. The X-rack cranks back to a vertical position as some MRU cops troop in. It’s hard to tell if they’re the same ones, since they’re all wearing bulky tactical gear and gas masks.

Is that how that works? I know you can keep someone alive by feeding them intravenously pretty much indefinitely, but given how important the physical act of eating is (it's part of why food-pills are such a silly concept) I imagine someone who's not brain dead would still sometimes get the urge to eat. The input of medical-minded Kiwis would be very welcome here.

Two of the cops begin unhooking the tubes and unlatching my shackles.

“You made bail. You’ll need to reclaim your belongings before you leave,” one of them says. For a dizzy moment I wonder if this is a dream. It’s only been a couple hours. There’s no way we could get ten million dollars that fast.

Well, that's another indi troon visual novel that's never going to be made. Also, only a couple of hours? Why does everything in this book have to be so compressed? Seriously, Danny got rescued from Garrison, fought Red Steel, was sent to super-jail, and made bail in less than twenty-four hours!

With my suit back on, I check the clock and see it’s only been about fourteen hours since I was arraigned. Then I see a calendar and realize, no, it’s been two days, which explains why I can walk without limping. I’m probably not up to full strength yet, but I’m battle ready, and that’s what really matters.

Oh, that's little better, I guess. Though, given we're about 80% through with the novel, I'm guessing the main narrative utility Danny's stint in the cell was letting him heal-up for the climax. See, I'd have just have had him... go to bed? But then this story might occupy a whole calander month of in-universe time, and we can't have that, apparently.

Another tedious police escort brings me to the front of the station, the publicly accessible area. As we’re coming around a corner I hear raised voices.


“That’s your plan?” It’s Magma. He sounds at the edge of shouting. “You’re taking children into combat now?”


“They’re capes.” That’s Doc, with a hard defiance in her voice I haven’t heard before. “They know the risks.”

Did Magma not raise this issue the entire fucking year Danny's been maiming people for the state of Washington?

“They know the—this isn’t going up against some two-bit diamond heist crew, Doc! What happened to your impassioned opposition to minors in the field, huh?”

“You think I like stealing her childhood? She’s who we have, that’s all there is to it.”

Magma lets go of a full-throated roar: “Whose fault is that?”

Based Magma.

The cops and I come around the corner and see Magma and all three Docs squaring off in the waiting room. A bunch of uniforms stand around wide-eyed and mute, unsure about what they can do to stop the developing superhero screaming match. But Magma’s reformed supervillain girlfriend, Aloe, is on the ball and puts a hand on his arm as soon as I step into view.

He bites down on a further explosion, but Doc is already rolling with her counter-attack: “I am done letting you use my rape against me, you oversized hunk of shit!”

Magma snaps his attention back to Doc, reels back like he’s been physically slapped. “Doc…I didn’t…”


Oh, fuck off Doc. Look, I feel terrible for what happened to Doc. Absolutely horrible violation, no doubt about that. But when a human woman is raped, it usually doesn't result in a pile of superhero corpses. If Doc had had a generic mind-control spell or something cast on her, I wouldn't blame her at all. But Doc knew she was specifically vulnerable to being hacked, and that Utopia was somewhere out there. By not disclosing this, she prioritised her secret above the safety of her teammates, and by extension, that of the city and world they protected.

Even saying all that, that doesn't mean I want Doc to suffer for the rest of her runtime. In a mature story, Doc would likely just have to accept her old friends will likely never be in a place where they could forgive her, let alone like her, and find some other path to inner-peace. But no, because this is Oppression Olympics and rape is the Worst Thing Possible (unless done by troons) Doc claims the gold, and Magma is the bad guy for not having having a Steven Universe cry with her about their shared trauma.

Fuck you, Magma,” spits Doc, red and wet in the face. “It’s not always about your—”

One of her bodies sees me, and they all shut up and go stiff. That’s about the time everyone else notices me walking in on the loud family fight as well. Magma, Doc, Aloe, and a few dozen cops all stare at me, and it’s quickly apparent Doc and Magma are both charting new maps for previously unexplored realms of mortification.

Doc's right. It's not always about Magma. Sometimes, it's about Chlorophyll, who'll die with the mind of a child. Other times, it's about Val, whose death means that her daughter will literally lose her mind at the age of fifteen. Or it can be about Carapace, who'll never pick a better name!

“Danny, are you okay?” asks the Doc who has kept herself together the best. The other two are hastily wiping their eyes and trying not to melt through the floor with embarrassment.

“No.” Whoops, that wasn’t what I meant to say. “I mean, it’s been a bad week.”

“I’m sorry to hear it,” says Magma, turning away from Doc. “I want you to know that the community is behind you, 100%.”

"They didn't care at all about you threatening another member of the community on-camera. The cops aren't the only one with a thin blue line!"

“Or at least the parts of it that matter,” says Aloe with a smile. “We didn’t have much trouble raising your bail money.” And there’s a twinkle in her eye that makes me think that most of the money they ‘raised’ was simply cash that the Federal prosecutors hadn’t managed to recover when they convicted her. Not that I’m in any position to be picky right now.

And then the IRS got her.

“Thanks,” I say to Aloe. “But, uh, I think maybe you’re looking at the wrong girl right now. I’m not really sure I should be a superhero anymore.”


“What?” yelps Magma. I swear to God. He yelps. “Why? You’re a natural. How about you just take some time off, let us figure this one out? You don’t need to be hasty. About anything.”

Weren't you just going on about how kids shouldn't be in this game? Or is it okay when it's just beating up squishy normals?

The feel of Graywytch’s neck under my hands comes back to me, how soft it was, how I could make out her sliding muscles and tendons beneath the skin. (Did she try to kill me last night, or was that a dream? My guilty conscience trying to make it better?) Sharp on its heels, the image of the courtroom, and how scared they were of me. “I’m not sure I’m doing it for the right reasons anymore. Kinetiq is who you should talk to. Or hell, call in Northern Union.”

Man, imagine having to pick between a troon and an enby to save the world.

“Danny, if you want to retire I will respect that,” says Doc softly. “But we should get out of this fight before you make those kinds of decisions. I tried calling the Union, but Graywytch got to them and they’re refusing to budge without more evidence.

It's almost as though they have video evidence of Danny threatening to kill her because his parents... had legal representation.

It’ll be too late before they move on this. And if you back down now, blackcapes will be gunning for you for the rest of your life.”

Why? If he's retired, what reason would supervillains have to go after Danny? By the sounds of it, most of the guys he's fought aren't in any condition to seek revenge. I imagine the supervillain community will just be happy they don't have to worry about the Beast of Newport anymore. Do they just want that sweet XP? Again, cops fight crime too, and they retire all the time.

“There are ways to hide her, Doc,” says Magma. “And she’s right, even if the Union won’t budge, there are other capes.”

“Who are you kidding?” says Doc. “Short-notice ad hocs are almost impossible these days, and you know it. Especially with Graywytch poisoning the well.”

Maybe suffocating superheroes in bureaucracy was a mistake!

Also, it's interesting that Magma has already accepted that Graywytch--a long time colleague--is evil, apparently purely on the word of the drunken robot who killed his friends and shot him in the spine. He doesn't even seem surprised. What did this team even look like before the first book?

“We failed Danielle before,” Magma says to Doc, and he even manages not to snarl. “Don’t let that happen again.”


“Danielle is right here, and she can make her own decisions,” I say. “My record is fourteen and one. If a blackcape is stupid enough come after me, I’ll put as many of them in hospital beds as I need to make my point. But I don’t think—maybe looking for trouble isn’t something I should do anymore.”


Doc and Magma both look unhappy. Aloe seems quietly impressed. Then, a moment later, she seems like she’s uncomfortable. It starts slowly at first, a confused crinkle in her brow, and then widening eyes and labored breathing. She’s suffocating.


“Honey, wh—what’s…” Then Magma is feeling it too. His hand goes to his collar, tears off the top button, and the huge man begins to sway.


Doc and I trade looks. We’re both reaching the same conclusions, and we’re both horrified. One of her bodies begins twitching, seems to spasm and reboot.

That's right, Garrison's activated his satellites. Not sure why he bothered framing Danny when he was this close. Also, we have official confirmation that mad-scientists aren't granted enhanced intelligence that lets them build cool shit by Nemesis, their cool shit is just junk Nemesis makes work by space-rock-fiat.
 
Well, that was one pointless torture porn scene. Why even bother writing such an atrocity if Danny's just going to bounce on out with a spring in his step one montage scene later, and forget the whole thing happened?
It's the same as my objection to the whole "redemption arc" thing with Danny. Either take your world seriously and treat these affronts to human dignity with the gravity they deserve, or just keep the whole thing light and have super-crooks go to break rocks in the super-clink after getting socked in the jaw by the superhero. Handwaving it away is the worst of both worlds.

Similarly, why bother with a ten million dollar bail if a tertiary character is just going to fish it out of their couch?

I'm guessing Yucca Mountain is some kind of super-prison
I guess they repurposed it from a radioactive waste storage site in real life. Thankfully, we now know super-origin stories are entirely due to space rocks, not radiation accidents.

“That’s your plan?” It’s Magma. He sounds at the edge of shouting. “You’re taking children into combat now?”
This would perhaps have more resonance if we didn't just get through hearing underage capes are common enough that there's law dealing specifically with them.

“I’m sorry to hear it,” says Magma, turning away from Doc. “I want you to know that the community is behind you, 100%.”
Again, what is going on here? Right when Danny is starting to feel some remorse for being a spandex-clad psychopath, he gets the rest of the superhero community saying "No, actually you're great". Don't they watch the news? And I mean, Magma has a reformed supervillain girlfriend. Do you think she knew any of Danny's victims?

“Who are you kidding?” says Doc. “Short-notice ad hocs are almost impossible these days, and you know it.
Guh-- what-- isn't "short notice ad-hocs" the bread and butter of superheroing? Send up the Bat-Signal! Clark Kent dives into a phone booth for a quick-change! Get the X-Men aboard the Blackbird! Avengers Assemble!

Also:
“Prisoners in solitary are allowed to have a religious token. Here.”
This is a world where magic exists.
Anyway, please hand me my Eye of Agamotto before I head into my cell, it's part of my devotional practice.
 
Guh-- what-- isn't "short notice ad-hocs" the bread and butter of superheroing? Send up the Bat-Signal! Clark Kent dives into a phone booth for a quick-change! Get the X-Men aboard the Blackbird! Avengers Assemble!

I guess the supervillains and the kaiju and every other menace post advance notice of all their crimes so the city authorities have time to hire "freelancers" like Kinetiq. Also, Kinetiq, anarchist supreme, gets paid to have people thrown into that cell before trial.
 
Well, that was disappointing.

So! First, the logistics of the cell. As pointed out, sending in someone with a token is dumb, and if magic is a known factor in the world, the idea that no one's checking for it is even dumber. But the dumbest thing is the premise of the cell in the first place. The security measures of poison and electromagnets aren't the worst, but they're also absolutely not a one-stop shop in a kitchen-sink universe. And what happens if a hero just says "No." What were the guards' actual options if Dreadnought had said "Yeah, I'll stay in the cell, but I'm not strapping myself down and I'm not injecting myself with anything, if you feel the need to try to gas someone who vacays in space, feel free." And that's a hero. What are the actual logictics of bringing in a supervillain only to find out that said supervillain is IV-proof, but going to probably wake up in a few hours? And who the hell sets bail for a cape, when as the story itself points out, capes can raise millions in minutes with crime?

How many times has this facility been destroyed and rebuilt, when oops, the villain they locked up had a kaiju power setting that they've never used because they didn't want to flatten a city until you locked him up and gave him a bad trip? How many other villains just serve their time, get out, and turn around and start targeting the legal system that put them there? Prison works as a concept because prisoners are able to be controlled by the guards due to overwhelming force, and because any prisoner who does acquire enough power to fight back gets that power taken away immediately, and even then there are prison riots and bad shit that happens.

I won't speak to the legality of what is going on; presumably, a world in which all men are demonstrably not created equal is one in which people also find other exceptions to the Bill of Rights as necessary. No, what's irking me is that at no point did Dreadnought ever ask "Am I complicit in sending others into this cell?" Dreadnought appears to experience only the most peremptory feelings of guilt for his own very-nearly-murderous rampage, and not only do those feelings take place in the middle of a drug trip (with clear hallucinations, since if GreyWytch were actually there she damn well wouldn't have been stopped by some scrub's improvised charm), any valence of them is completely gone once he makes bail, other than the weak-sauce "Am I doing this for the wrong reasons?" and no actual examining of what he's actually done, and to whom, and what that has done to the lives of the people he's done it to. We could have had Danny spend time alone in the dark, thinking about what brought him to this point, and maybe even realize that his berserkering around was an instigating factor in Garrison deciding "Yup, we're going to need to bring all of human endeavor under a god-king's control, because the alternative is more Dannys and that will destroy everything.", and dwelling on the fact that he has fucked up, deeply, and personally. And then you can compound that fuck-up by having the heroes who bail him out do so because they assume that GreyWytch has just used magic to fake the footage because Danny would never do that, and have Danny need to decide between coming clean and becoming a pariah (and rightfully so), or maintaining the lie and hoping that it doesn't get tactically revealed later in a way that gets everyone killed. And if the book really wanted to make me thing it was raising a moral question here instead of tee-hee-heeing about is heroine being drugged and bondaged while poorly attempting to skinsuit actual hero-at-their-lowest-has-moral-revelation stories, it wouldn't have made the actual answer "Murder GreyWytch because she's in the process of taking over the world and you can't stop her without killing her."

Going over this, I'm reminded of the people born with anosmia, who despite not being able to smell 'know' that boiling brussel sprouts smell bad, and hold their nose and complain, purely as a learned social behavior, but who have no actual first-hand experience of Those Sulfur Compounds Being Sulfrous. This entire sequence feels like someone without a sense of shame trying to write a character who was shamed, and so had the peremptory internal thoughts and did the "Oh no, I cannot.", but never actually recognized what they were doing wrong, the harm it had caused, what they hope to do to mitigate that harm, and how they will avoid doing harm going forward. If Danny had torn off GreyWytch's head without anyone seeing him, he would have slept soundly that night and every night thereafter;

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You got to what I was going to point out about Doc; of course she can hold the Most Holy Sacrament of Suffering over Magma's head. Man, it would be better if we got an actual moving-forward bit here, like Magma roar back that she's not a person and can't be raped, that she's nothing but a puppet for Mistress Malice, always has been, and always will be, and when people try to protest that, have him say that being a puppet isn't the worst thing, because if she was a person, she was a person who chose to conceal her connection to Malice and thus let her murder the Legion, and if she was that person, Magma would go pyroclastic here and now to slag her, no matter who else died in the process (including him), because that would be the only way she'd be brought to justice, and then in the middle of that stand-off do we get the Garrison satellites going off.

I'm also very confused as to what is meant to be happening with the last bits where the satellites are powering up. I don't really have a good model of either Magma or Aloe; I don't know what them gasping for breath means. And what's going on with Doc? If she's purely a product of space-rock-derived mad science, then shouldn't she just shut off? If she's not but her body is, then shouldn't all of her be fucking up? Presumably the bits of hypertech that are keeping her selves in synch have gone off, but I doubt that the author knows enough about database maintenance or consciousness to have even considered the logistical challenges of running one mind on multiple bits of hardware, or what happens when the cheats you use to make that work get selectively turned off.

I also have no real conception of how Garrison's powers work, and how the magic talismans attuned to him can flip from broadcasting his power to nullifying it, or what else he can do with his power in-person, and as such, I have no idea what is going on and what the stakes are. Danny can presumably just fly back into orbit and continue wrecking satellites; if he goes for hit-and-run attacks and doesn't stay near any one satellite, even a rejuvenated Red Steel presumably won't be able to stop him, at least before Kessler Syndrome actually does set in and any satellite-based plan gets fucked for the foreseeable future. But then again, I'm assuming that the whole bit with GreyWytch was a hallucination, because if GreyWytch actually did jump in and noticed "Hey, Danny has a magic charm that is stopping me from killing him., which also looks like someone else has figured out my Garrison backdoor", that would be a bit of an urgent point that would entail maybe more than one ineffectual try, and maybe a bunch more murders of Calamity and the Calamity gang while Danny is drugged up.

People with fucked-up moral compasses can sometimes tell compelling but fucked-up stories, as the bits they don't think they need to justify or work around drop into the narrative with unintentional shock value. But now that we appear to have handled the actual interesting emotional journey of Danny's blood-rage with "Eh, bored now, I as the author have stopped caring and so will everyone else in the world.", which was the one thing that felt real and like it might actually have consequences in the entire book, and we're off to play with satellites and magic talismans and space-rocks, I feel no sense of stakes or tension whatsoever. That being said, if I were reading this book myself, even hate-reading it, I would absolutely be pissed off at this point; this is the point where any sense of the characters or setting as realized people or places falls away, making it impossible to pretend that the book is anything other than hollow fantasies strung together poorly, and mocking you the reader for investing the time and energy to make it this far.

So, kudos to White-Kettle Shufflepunk for getting us here by proxy, and cutting out the even more tedious bits. Hopefully, we are closing in on the thrilling (ahahaha) climax of the book!
 
And what happens if a hero just says "No." What were the guards' actual options if Dreadnought had said "Yeah, I'll stay in the cell, but I'm not strapping myself down and I'm not injecting myself with anything, if you feel the need to try to gas someone who vacays in space, feel free."
Forget that, before Danny even got into the cell he had to be fitted for a urinary catheter. What were they planning to do if he said no to that? What do they do for villains who won't go quietly, just let them befoul themselves while strapped into the cell?

And really, isn't a torture cell a terrible idea just because of the mental effects? You're going to leave some criminal (who is probably a bit mentally disturbed to begin with) tortured and locked in with his own thoughts for weeks or months at a time? That's a recipe for creating a new Joker, and if he gets out he'll probably be criminally insane and obsessed with vengeance.

There are a million better ways they could have handled this if Daniels wasn't so intent on writing a bondage scene. Say they have a stasis pod, or a "Time Tunnel" that takes a minute to walk through on the inside but a week on the outside. Why not use that dimension-warping magic that Graywytch used on her skylights, to make a cell that's "looped" in all directions? Or just skip all the rigmarole and say "Behave and survive till trial, one false move and we kill you right now"? They're pretty much at that point anyway, just with more torture.

if GreyWytch were actually there she damn well wouldn't have been stopped by some scrub's improvised charm
Who knows, maybe she was. The power scaling is all over the place with the Dread Squad, they're simultaneously supposed to be a ragtag band of novice heroes and able to go toe-to-toe with major threats. Even Danny varies from "Golden Age Superman" to "Kid Miracleman".
But why is Graywytch even bothering with a knife? She could just teleport in a bomb or get DOC.EXE to hook her up with a canister of that Mistress Malice-approved nerve gas. I mean, she and Garrison just declared war on the entire world, why bother with subtlety at this point?

Man, it would be better if we got an actual moving-forward bit here, like Magma roar back that she's not a person and can't be raped
It would be better if any of the people involved were people rather than hat racks to hang plot points on. Doc is just there to fire off that zinger about rape, and Magma is just there to validate Danny and remove all the stakes surrounding the bail and trial.
In this bureaucracy-first world, what does Magma think about Danny and Doc hijacking the Legion out from under him? Shouldn't he have been the leader given that everyone else was inactive, underage, or gone blackcape?
It's also ridiculous that the Northern Union apparently trusts Graywytch more than Magma does. If the people who know her most trust her least, what does that say?
 
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In this bureaucracy-first world, what does Magma think about Danny and Doc hijacking the Legion out from under him? Shouldn't he have been the leader given that everyone else was inactive, underage, or gone blackcape?

Oh, he had to retire due to the permanent spinal injury... that Doc gave him.
 
Oh, he had to retire due to the permanent spinal injury... that Doc gave him.
But I thought he would get better if he spent enough time skinny-dipping in active volcanoes though. I'm guessing he's made of living rock or something and he can be "re-molded" in case of severe injury. Shouldn't he still be on the mend and planning to return to active duty sometime?
 
What I really hate about this book is that it gestures at deeper themes and ideas without ever engaging with them. I've talked about this in relation to politics and systems of power in a world with supers, and it's basically the same thing here with Danny's morality. Daniels gestures toward moral complexity by emphasizing how much the supposed "white cape" Danny loves inflicting violence, then having him belatedly realize maybe he doesn't want to be a rage-fueled punch machine for the state. But it's all so hollow and shallow because of how the author continually lets the protagonist off the hook for this behavior. It's true that this is a first person narrative, so Danny is also the narrator and some self-justification is to be expected. But it's equally clear that this is a self-insert even from the name alone (Danielle/Daniels) and that the author identifies with the character completely.

I really like White Kettle's idea of having Graywytch only join the Garrison conspiracy after Danny breaks into her home and threatens her. With that small change, at least Danny's demented behavior would have some sort of consequence and in fact would have put the whole world in more danger by adding a powerful mage to this villain's crew, all because of personal beef stemming from the question of Danny's gender, of all things. But no, that's too interesting and complex and shows our perfect protagonist to be flawed. Danny, for all his performative narrator whining about how worthless he feels and how much he hates himself, is not allowed to actually have flaws. As I said the rage issue is gestured at but ultimately nothing comes of it. I think it would have been interesting to tie it back to Roger too and show how there's some of the rage-filled father in the son (er, daughter). But at least in the excerpts posted there's none of that. Just very shallow and lazy storytelling.

This all ties in to the basic flaw of this series in my opinion, which is the giant gulf between how Danny is perceived by a critical reader vs. how he is perceived by the author and presumably the AGP nerd demographic. To us Danny seems hugely selfish, immature, whiny, self-pitying and yet self-righteous, midwitted, and bad at crime fighting, usually being saved by competent teammates and plot convenience. To Daniels and pals, Danny is a hawt 16-year-old lesbian who punches, defeats, and humiliates the fundamentally wrong and evil representatives of real-world bigotry, and helps us all find the trans girl strength within us all along, and also coom.

Basically the only reason I'm reading this thread, and presumably the reason Whitekettle is reading the book, is that the dissonance between these two readings is fascinating and hilarious. The combination of (YA-appropriate) violent power fantasy with underage lesbian-fetishizing coomer sex fantasy with uwu poor baby victim fantasy is bizarre and terrible in an entertaining way. Actually I'm surprised and relieved there's not as much sex or bad erotic/romantic writing in the series as I expected, Daniels seems to enjoy the power fantasy more than the sex fantasy. Probably as an AGP nerd his sex fantasies are way too perverse for the YA lit market, and he's just not that interested in the limp and perfunctory romance between Danny and Cassidy that made it to the page. Thank fuck honestly.
 
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