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Somehow, going over Wikipedia fascism related articles feels like cheating, you know?

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Jesus was a fascist. Of course, I should've seen it as the obvious culmination. And before someone says "Well you added it there, no one is that dumb", it's been there two months.

Having looked at it, I think it has been done specifically to shill the reference book. Which appears to actually be 2 references into one which I am reasonably sure isn't allowed by Wikipedia. It was done on April 11th.

James Crossley and Robert J. Myles, Jesus: A Life in Class Conflict, Zer0 Books, 2023, pp. 260-261; Robert J. Myles, Opiate of Christ: or, John's Gospel and the Spectre of Class." Postscripts 7:3. 2016, 257-277.

The edit history also shows a shitload of people being randomly added and removed, showing how stupid the article is.
 
Having looked at it, I think it has been done specifically to shill the reference book. Which appears to actually be 2 references into one which I am reasonably sure isn't allowed by Wikipedia. It was done on April 11th.
It was so profoundly retarded I checked the reference, the book claimed Jesus is fascist because he insists people need to be born again which is racist against Jews. God I hate wikipedos.
 
Jesus was a fascist. Of course, I should've seen it as the obvious culmination. And before someone says "Well you added it there, no one is that dumb", it's been there two months.
Not ridiculous: I think actual fascism was pretty friendly with Catholic social teaching. Of course fascism just means "something bad" nowadays.
I'm surprised Plato's not on there, the Republic is pretty nasty.
 
Somehow, going over Wikipedia fascism related articles feels like cheating, you know?

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Jesus was a fascist. Of course, I should've seen it as the obvious culmination. And before someone says "Well you added it there, no one is that dumb", it's been there two months.
Communist seething over John Ruskin for criticizing the Paris commune would never not be funny here's the father of conservative socialism

is philosophies people should have good working conditions but hierarchy is an important part of society he also called communism the politics of envy

George fitzhugh Hughes this person is clearly never read sociology for the South
 

I stumbled upon an article for a food that probably doesn't exist. The original source is from a 1857 story in which the writer is subjected to a disgusting dish (although the ingredients are not really out of place for the time period) given the name "Flummadiddle" which at the time, was a nonsensical word. This was then taken literally by an encyclopedia in the 1950s, and then copied to Wikipedia. There seems to be zero mention of this dish outside of the original source

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Someone from 2010 does attempt to make it, though.


Some guy on reddit also believes it's probably just a prank
Now, this paints a picture to me of a bunch of men who work hard for a living having some fun at the expense of a picky, unserious dilettante in their midst, the culinary equivalent of sending an apprentice on a snipe hunt, and that this was a dish improvised for the 'benefit' of our tender young author, who was either clueless to the prank being played on him, or went along with it for effect for the article he was planning to write.

If this is true, then 'Flummadiddle' truly is nonsense, no such dish existed before or since, it was something concocted as a prank on a mackerel boat somewhere north of Portland, Maine in the summer of 1857, and would be forgotten today if the article documenting the prank had not echoed down through the years, down to the odd word hobbyist Josefa Byrne.
 
Somehow, going over Wikipedia fascism related articles feels like cheating, you know?

View attachment 6017294

Jesus was a fascist. Of course, I should've seen it as the obvious culmination. And before someone says "Well you added it there, no one is that dumb", it's been there two months.
i looked up the source. was a bitch to get from the piracy site and it has those artifacts where it's trying to use an apostrophe so i tried to fix that and it might not be perfect. i dont know how to do the only users can see the text thing so im just gonna spoiler it since its kinda lengthy this part
God of Empire
Meanwhile, building on Jesus as an elevated figure within the movement and the visions of Jesus in the period following his death, speculations about his person and his connection to divine forces took off. This included the belief that he was an emperor-like figure who would return soon to command the world, itself an outworking of the predictions of the kingdom/empire/dictatorship of God. As Paul put it, God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Phil. 2.9-11).

One of the major shifts in the development of the Jesus movement is that by the end of the first century it had transformed from a purely or primarily Jewish movement into becoming a majority non-Jewish or gentile one, and in some cases, an anti-Jewish one. And we can push the notion of the Jesus movement's failed revolution further for a moment by detecting some of the chilling fascist-like tendencies that gestated toward the end of this early period. We need go no further than John's Gospel, written toward the end of the first century, to observe how in some strands of emerging Christian thought a proto-fascist ideology developed that replaced the initial revolutionary impulses that had failed to take root.

We mentioned in the opening chapter the Gospel of John's curious obsession with denigrating a character group known as the Jews.6 Not unlike the reactionary political ideology of twentieth-century Nazism, the Gospel of John similarly insisted Jesus followers must have a pure bloodline (i.e., be born of the correct Father, John 3.1-15). By prioritizing the spiritual purity of Jesus' followers, John's text relied on a peculiar kind of racial logic: Jewish ethnicity was replaced with a new form of divine ethnicity in which the elect must be born again of the same Father. Near the beginning of the Gospel this logic is clearly spelled out: to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God's children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God (John 1.12-13).

Amid the complex questions of identity and whether, how, or the extent to which this new movement was to be understood as Jewish (or anti-Jewish), was the idea that Jesus was to be equated with God, a point which was most evidently developed in John where elevated theological claims are tellingly framed in disputes with the Jews (e.g., John 5.17-18; 10.29-33). The Gospel of John's dramatic denigration and suspicion of opposing groups likely reflected sociological and possibly sectarian realities behind the text. High among the controversies was an intra-Jewish disagreement about whether Jesus and the Father are one (John 10.30), though now showing signs of the movement moving beyond Jewish self-identity.

As a reactionary text, the Gospel of John thus constructed uncompromising boundaries between true believers and outsiders. But whereas the revolutionary millenarianism of the early movement was focused on the reversal of the material hierarchies of Galilee and Judea at the end times, John's Gospel focused on the spiritual truth of the good news in the here and now. Those who would not consent to John's assessment of Jesus were to be left out in the dark, deprived of light and direction (John 12.35-36). They remained in the world below and would die in their sins (John 8.23-24). By contrast, members of the community were destined to move up spiritually. In the purest of totalitarian language, John's Jesus declared, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14.6).

But the other side of the coin to an overly exclusive worldview is an overly inclusive one. That Jesus was to be equated with the God of the universe meant that, in time, Christianity was seen to provide a theological system which was compatible with, and appropriate for, a Roman Empire covering a range of colonized peoples and unified by trade routes and communication networks. It is often thought the pre-Christian Roman Empire was polytheistic (many gods) in contrast to Christianity and Judaism which emphasized (not without controversy in the case of Christianity) monotheism (one God). These descriptions are not always helpful. For example, Jewish and Christian ideas about an overarching God sounded a lot like ideas about Zeus or Greek philosophical speculations while ideas about angels and elevated human figures sounded a lot like the lesser gods in other Greco-Roman ways of understanding the supernatural world.

Nevertheless, Christianity had a notion of an overarching and unifying divine rulership which did not necessarily prioritize one nation or ethnic grouping as Judaism did, so long as one was in Christ. Christianity was, over the second and third centuries, spreading through networks of friends of friends of friends until it was large enough and credible enough to become the dominant religion of the Roman Empire. It is telling that when Julian the Emperor (or Apostate) tried to reinstate the old supernatural system during his time as Emperor (361-363 CE), he saw local gods as manifestations of the creator, Moses god of one people as too parochial and restricting for an empire, and Christian conceptions of the divine as not even matching Moses lower standard of an imperial god because Christians were understood to worship two or three gods.8 Julian may have wanted to show that Christianity was ideologically unsuitable for the scope and reach of the Roman Empire but to the historian it reveals the opposite: it did precisely this and would soon resume as the successful religion of empire.

Even though Christianity became the handmaiden of empire, it could still provide the language of resistance where needed. In Medieval Europe, Christianity came to justify the feudal system and monarchical social hierarchies, but just as equally justified those peasant millenarians and insurgents who attempted to usurp the existing order, as the Jesus movement had done before. The Protestant split from Catholicism, as well as the colonial drive to go out and make disciples of all nations (Matt. 28.19), may have aided the transformation from feudalism to capitalism and the ongoing consolidation of the emerging middle class, but the old concerns of millenarians and insurrectionists were taken up in new ways, including their absorption into the agendas of socialist and communist parties, and new Protestant (and Catholic) oppositional thinking emerged too. The hardened masculinity of the early Jesus movement, inherited from its wider patriarchal context, never really left during these transitions from one mode of production to the next. Only since the latter half of the twentieth century did a sustained feminist investigation into Christianity's entanglement with the patriarchy begin. Yet the ways gender and power were negotiated by this socially deviant movement has provided sustenance and impetus for those on the margins in a variety of contexts and situations. Of course, any number of interests and ideological positions in between have been justified by multiple variations of Christianity because, in the West at least, it has formed the dominant ideology for well over a millennium.

Indeed, it is remarkable to behold that what began as the parochial ideologies of the disaffected peasantry in Galilee and Judea would in turn come to ground a dominant global ideology, one that continues to be embedded in subtle ways within the now capitalist mode of production of our own age. The historical Jesus is part of the deep ideological fabric that has simultaneously framed the world but has also generated forces to change it. For this reason, understanding the life of Jesus as a life in class conflict is inescapable to appreciating the class struggles of today. To paraphrase Marx's eleventh thesis on Feuerbach, however, the point is not simply to understand the world in various ways, rather the point is to change it. Perhaps agents of radical change are what we need after all.
 
We need go no further than John's Gospel, written toward the end of the first century, to observe how in some strands of emerging Christian thought a proto-fascist ideology developed that replaced the initial revolutionary impulses that had failed to take root.

We mentioned in the opening chapter the Gospel of John's curious obsession with denigrating a character group known as the Jews.6 Not unlike the reactionary political ideology of twentieth-century Nazism, the Gospel of John similarly insisted Jesus followers must have a pure bloodline (i.e., be born of the correct Father, John 3.1-15). By prioritizing the spiritual purity of Jesus' followers, John's text relied on a peculiar kind of racial logic: Jewish ethnicity was replaced with a new form of divine ethnicity in which the elect must be born again of the same Father.
>throws in the word "proto-fascist", immediately starts sperging about Nazis instead

"the Gospel of John similarly insisted Jesus followers must have a pure bloodline" - yes, if you pretend that the word "bloodline" means "mind". Which it doesn't.
This is the sort of nonsense that could only have been written by an academic.
 
>throws in the word "proto-fascist", immediately starts sperging about Nazis instead

"the Gospel of John similarly insisted Jesus followers must have a pure bloodline" - yes, if you pretend that the word "bloodline" means "mind". Which it doesn't.
This is the sort of nonsense that could only have been written by an academic.
I think that's more down to how uneducated just about everyone is on the origins of christianity.
Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish, and the religion he preached was judaism. Christianity as a separate religion, let alone one that welcomes gentiles, was a later invention by Saul of Tarsus, who never even met Jesus, but simply became infatuated with his teachings through his encounters with jewish followers of his, or more specifically his infatuation with the practice of baptism, which was something Jesus in turn took from the itinerant prophet he followed before starting his own sect, John the Baptist. Saul wrote the new testament and founded the christian church, not Jesus.
 
In cringe vexillology fake news: Two days ago the American shitlib media manufactured some fakeass outrage about a two hundred and fifty fucking year old Revolutionary War-era pine tree flag out of thin air, and then all got very upset about the thing that they just imagined in a fashion that can only be described as appearing suspiciously coordinated. It's all apparently a very stupid way to smear the U.S. Supreme Court as part of some equally dumbass scheme to somehow force conservative judges to recuse themselves from cases in which they would rule against the government because they own a maritime flag, at their beach house, and that's bad for reasons... There are circlejerks less roundabout than this stupid avenue of attack, which was so lame and gay that even A&N ignored it.

Nonetheless, the useful idiots and fellow travelers of wikipedo went to work transforming the article for the Pine Tree Flag, one of the most well known flags of early America, into yet another political weapon to fight the "obscure" pine tree flag-loving alt-right extremist insurrectionist fascists.
 
I think that's more down to how uneducated just about everyone is on the origins of christianity.
Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish, and the religion he preached was judaism. Christianity as a separate religion, let alone one that welcomes gentiles, was a later invention by Saul of Tarsus, who never even met Jesus, but simply became infatuated with his teachings through his encounters with jewish followers of his, or more specifically his infatuation with the practice of baptism, which was something Jesus in turn took from the itinerant prophet he followed before starting his own sect, John the Baptist. Saul wrote the new testament and founded the christian church, not Jesus.
I don't wanna turn this thread into religious sperging so consider this my first and last post on the subject.

Jesus wasn't Jew as we currently understand them, and he spoke against many things modern jews adhere to: Talmud was only written 500 years after Jesus, codifying the "traditions of the elders" (Oral Law) Jesus railed against in Matthew 15:1-9. Phariseism developed into Rabbinical Judaism. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Chief Rabbi of the United States, wrote
The return from Babylon, and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism.
This isn't some antisemite cope, I'm not saying Jesus didn't adhere to Second Temple Judaism (or Hebrewism), just that it's...different, and you could argue Judaism developed only after Christianity.

And the question of if Jesus wanted to administer to gentiles, I guess it boils down to whether you're a believer or not, as a Christian I believe he told us to preach to all nations (Matthew 28:16-20). But if you don't believe in the great commission then....yeah. /autism
 
I think that's more down to how uneducated just about everyone is on the origins of christianity.
Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish, and the religion he preached was judaism. Christianity as a separate religion, let alone one that welcomes gentiles, was a later invention by Saul of Tarsus, who never even met Jesus, but simply became infatuated with his teachings through his encounters with jewish followers of his, or more specifically his infatuation with the practice of baptism, which was something Jesus in turn took from the itinerant prophet he followed before starting his own sect, John the Baptist. Saul wrote the new testament and founded the christian church, not Jesus.
This doesn't make much sense. There's a continuity between the Gospels and St. Paul's letters, and he was best buddies with the original apostles. But like @glue eater says, this is the Wikipedia thread, not the religious sperging thread.
 
The amount of fuckery that goes on with climate science makes it impossible to say, because these "people" will just flip flop and change the data to fit their shit. Like how last year the entire media collectively screamed about how it was the "hottest July 4th ever" using a data set that only went back to 1970 and measuring temperatures on a couple dozen cities only.
People are catching up to what they are doing, when it first happened, instead of saying "pollution", they started using the word "emission" since you can always use the excuse that everything emitts something, if you can trick people into mixing these words up, you can make them think anything is "dangerous". Same thing with "Global warming" became "Climate change", since the enviroment always changes, you got an endless FOMO rhetoric buzzword.
Also, if you want to become autistic on their words, every energy conversion releases heat, so they use this physical model statement (from thermal dynamic) to say that "everything heats up the earth", without any numbers on it. I would say the data isn't even relevant in this discussion since they can't even be honest with their words.

Best lies are surrounded by the truth.
 
I don't understand how any of the rules on Wikipedia work. How does it manage to be consistently wrong?
 
I don't understand how any of the rules on Wikipedia work. How does it manage to be consistently wrong?
They get things wrong by sourcing articles people want to believe they're true. It's why during the mid-2000s, the whole "Wikipedia is full of lies" was a thing, and fast forward to right now when that statement is somehow true
 
Nonetheless, the useful idiots and fellow travelers of wikipedo went to work transforming the article for the Pine Tree Flag, one of the most well known flags of early America, into yet another political weapon to fight the "obscure" pine tree flag-loving alt-right extremist insurrectionist fascists.
It's especially funny to me how that section has an image of the flag at a BLM protest. I can't believe BLM is funding Donal Trump's campaign bid!
 
It's especially funny to me how that section has an image of the flag at a BLM protest. I can't believe BLM is funding Donal Trump's campaign bid!
It's not surprising to me that even BLM is supporting Trump's campaign. Currently, the same is happening with supporters of Palestine and Ukraine (and to a lesser extent, Stop Asian Hate)
 
Wikipedia's rules and regulations make a lot more sense once you consider them as not being set in place and used as they were originally created for the good of all, but instead the Calvingball "living constitution" where it constantly changes to adapt to what is needed for "the good of all".
 
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