Dumb Shit on Wikipedia

[WhiteNight]

And to point out the obvious it wasn't a right-wing movement at all. It was overwhelmingly non-partisan.

It also wasn't misogynistic, a harassment campaign, or against diversity. The article is completely detached from reality.

In the past the article also documented attacks on Gamergate supporters, such as the bomb threat against a bar. All this material has now been removed, leaving only the unsubstantiated claims of its supposed victims.

NB: It was GorillaWarfare aka Molly White who had it renamed to (harassment campaign):

Talk:Gamergate (harassment campaign)/Archive 60 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Told you guys. They are completely and absolutely obsessed with the thing.

 

[TitusOvid]

Gamergate was the first completely deceptive article I noticed on Wikipedia. Now we have so many including the one on Kiwi Farms.

 

[870EVO]

It also wasn't misogynistic, a harassment campaign, or against diversity. The article is completely detached from reality.

In the past the article also documented attacks on Gamergate supporters, such as the bomb threat against a bar. All this material has now been removed, leaving only the unsubstantiated claims of its supposed victims.

NB: It was GorillaWarfare aka Molly White who had it renamed to (harassment campaign):

Talk:Gamergate (harassment campaign)/Archive 60 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We know the entire Gamers are Dead/Gamergate is about harassing Women was the cover story. Zoe Quinn had just been exposed for getting industry coverage, industry awards, and possibly a spot on a TV show due to her fucking and sucking all the pathetic men around her desperate for some manic girl pussy. And she was getting away it.

The industry couldn't stand by and publicly acknowledge that happens, because quite a few Women in cushy and do nothing positions probably did fuck their way in. Not only would it expose the Women, it would expose all the Men desperate for pussy and trading on that. You really think Leigh Alexander got her position due to games knowledge or writing skills?

We all saw the stream where she flashed everyone then tried hitting on the guys during the stream. Behind the scenes the whole thing is probably a fucking orgy. The guys had to protect their supply of pussy, and the girls needed to protect their ticket in.

Mike Morhaime probably had 20 year old girls who were in Warcraft cosplay coming up to ask if they can suck his cock during Blizzcon after he said "Violence against Women is not okay"

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

And to point out the obvious it wasn't a right-wing movement at all. It was overwhelmingly non-partisan.

I remember a ton of people on the gamergate subreddit posted their political compass test results and most were LibLeft. Good old days when admitting that a woman could be in the wrong did not make you a Nazi incel

 

[glue eater]

Good old days when admitting that a woman could be in the wrong did not make you a Nazi incel

I think you're viewing history through rose tinted glasses. Way back in 2014 you definitely got called fascist incel fragile white boi for supporting GG.

The dangerhairs ultimately shot themselves in the foot, I know GG was a wake up call to a lot of people that media lies.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Yes people were calling GG nazis from day one. The difference was back in 2014 only the most insane anti-GG people took this as being the honest truth, while nowadays thanks in part to the efforts of Wikipedos ensuring that only the word of Reliable Sources can be allowed to speak on the issue it is taken as absolute gospel and the absolute truth.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

It wasn't all good faith critics of shitty "nerd" journalism. I remember right wing ragebait addicts becoming involved very early on and a lot of crossover with TumblrInAcrion types who assumed that any woman in the industry who criticized them had sucked her way to success. There were also plenty of trolls who used GG to fuck with the media, which is why making in photos is cited in court cases to prove that someone is a Nazi now. Don't expect journos to admit that they were successful trolled, though.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Well yes, of course. But the point is how much Wikipedia desperately defends one side and hates GG.

GamerGate is a amazing topic to test how much a of a NPC someone is when they are trying to sound educated and well informed. Anyone who blindly defends one side on that conflict as being good and another as evil is simply dishonest and likely to be a retard.

Anti-GG might have been far worse but it does not mean that GG are all saints. Ethan Ralph and Vordrak were after all pro-GG. The difference is you are far less likely to find people on the pro-GG side going for the lengths that Wikipedos go to try and present the conflict as a one sided good vs. evil battle. And of course I don't need to mention how much autistic screeching over GG is overwhelmingly coming from Anti-GG types who still have that shit living on their heads rent free almost 9 years later;

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Well yes, of course. But the point is how much Wikipedia desperately defends one side and hates GG.

GamerGate is a amazing topic to test how much a of a NPC someone is when they are trying to sound educated and well informed. Anyone who blindly defends one side on that conflict as being good and another as evil is simply dishonest and likely to be a retard.

Anti-GG might have been far worse but it does not mean that GG are all saints. Ethan Ralph and Vordrak were after all pro-GG. The difference is you are far less likely to find people on the pro-GG side going for the lengths that Wikipedos go to try and present the conflict as a one sided good vs. evil battle. And of course I don't need to mention how much autistic screeching over GG is overwhelmingly coming from Anti-GG types who still have that shit living on their heads rent free almost 9 years later;

Anti GGers are still talking about that sarkeesian chick in 2023 lmao

 

[WhiteNight]

Gamergate was the first completely deceptive article I noticed on Wikipedia. Now we have so many including the one on Kiwi Farms.

I often hear it said that the turning point was Trump. His election broke people's brains, and we see a shift then on Wikipedia from trying to write neutral articles, to finding one "reliable source" (Vox or Buzzfeed or whatever) expressing an extreme opinion, which becomes a fig leaf for filling the article lead and text with clearly non-neutral commentary. It helps that the mainstream media as a whole moved to increasingly non-objective reporting around the same time (for the same reason), but Wikipedia could have navigated this situation if it wanted to by adopting policies of filtering out clear editorial opinions. As an example, there could be a policy guarding against attributing views to people (e.g., far right or white supremacist), which they explicitly deny holding.

But the reality is that this shift didn't emerge out of nowhere in 2016, and Gamergate was one of the earliest harbingers of what was happening. Pro-GG editors spent a lot of time on Wikipedia trying to fix things and get the story right, not realizing what they were up against, because at that time they thought it would be fruitful. Today few would bother as it's obvious Wikipedia is captured.

You can still find plenty of reliable sources that present at least an ambiguous view of Gamergate, but those will be dismissed in favor of hysterical commentary. Now even the talk page is locked down, and you'll be called a troll and swept away if you bring any of this up.

On the flip side, there still are old-school editors around. Earlier in this thread I went over the history of the Libs of TikTok article:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/dumb-shit-on-wikipedia.17498/post-13566423

The early versions were written in a reasonably fair, neutral manner even in 2022. But then woke editors barged in waving reliable sources and added sentence after sentence about "far-right" and "hate speech" and "false claims" and so on. There's a whole section on the Colorado Springs shooting, which has nothing to do with LoTT at all.

For more established articles, the trend is visible over a period of years. Go back to 2015 or so, and even very controversial subjects are frequently documented in a calm, reasonable way. Today the articles will be nothing but unhinged attack pages.

 

[Sicko Hunter]

Anti-GG might have been far worse but it does not mean that GG are all saints. Ethan Ralph and Vordrak were after all pro-GG.

Ethan Ralph encapsulated all the worst parts of the pro-GG side and did more damage to the movement than anyone. He wasn't a gamer by his own admission, he had a deep hatred of women and he used GG as a shield to fuck with and harass people (mostly women) online. He eventually ended up being woken up by a female cop while he was passed out drunk and swung on her leading to years in jail and anti-GG getting the "GAMERGATE LEADER ATTACKS WOMAN COP" headline. If the strawman of a gamergater the wikipedia paints was a person Ethan would be that person.

 

[JJLiautaud]

There's a whole section on the Colorado Springs shooting, which has nothing to do with LoTT at all.

Wasnt the Colorado Springs shooter a tranny?

 

[Flexo]

News companies seem to have decided not to talk about Project Veritas stuff unless it's absolutely necessary because they've been burned so often in the past, so the only sources for this are "fact checkers" and sites like The Gateway Pundit that can't be cited because they consistently churn out garbage. I wouldn't be surprised if Project Veritas were a psyop to make journalists trust sources not approved by the government less, or to serve as evidence in some argument to repeal the first amendment, so fuck them.

This is Walter Duranty vs Gareth Jones bullshit all over again.

When the minecraft war begins, forget politicians, shoot journalists.

 

[WhiteNight]

Wasnt the Colorado Springs shooter a tranny?

Anderson Lee Aldrich claims to be non-binary. But apparently he never so identified publicly before being arrested, so this claim has been treated with suspicion. It's a dilemma for those saying to always respect self-identification.

 

[870EVO]

Good old days when admitting that a woman could be in the wrong did not make you a Nazi incel

I'm guessing you weren't there at the time.

"Dell executive George Reese was, I pray, being hyperbolic when he said Monday that “The #Gamergate cabal are the technology world’s ISIS,”"

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[EpicGamerMoment]

I often hear it said that the turning point was Trump. His election broke people's brains

Orange man forever broke these people’s brains and now every facet of the internet is a battleground for this gay little amerishart culture war

 

[Corpun]

Boris Gudz - Wikipedia

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Not dumb shit but I want to know more about this guy, not some retarded troons in Ukraine or some dumb political bullshit. This guy lived through the Russian Empire, the Revolution, all the way up until 2006. Why isn't there a massive article on this guy who was the last surviving original Cheka member and a survivor of the Great Purges?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Well too bad sonny Wikipedos are too hard at work adding another paragraph to the Jan 6th Terrorist Nuclear Attack page or making sure the pronouns of a literal who non-binary 3rd rate celebrity are correct to even bother translating the basic wikibox and porting over the picture of the guy from the .ru wikipedia over.

 

[AnOminous]

Anti GGers are still talking about that sarkeesian chick in 2023 lmao

We don't even have an open thread on her here and the one we did was closed for being retarded (and because she isn't a lolcow just a sort of low-tier media personality who is no longer relevant to anything). The one who still gets sporadic attention is Zoe Quinn because she actually is a lolcow (and a murdercow).