Dumb Shit on Wikipedia

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Summary if you're not well versed in yuropoor catfights: everyone's retardedly nationalistic here and noone is being content with the fact that they're just slavic mutts: enter schizophrenic origin stories of nations. There's two hungarian autists who made it their life's goal to police the wikipedia article by not letting the supremely schizoid daco-roman continuity theory be stated as a fact (something that literally none of the reputable romanian historians even believe in despite it is taught en masse in textbooks), the theory is the equivalent of a hungarian that claims they're the linear descendant of Attila the hun. Of course this vile faggotry cannot go on any longer, and proud romanians have to enlist the leddit army to right this injustice.
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Slapfights between balkan "people" will never not be funny. I am surprised albanians didn't show up in that thread to claim Attila and Decebalus were actually Illyrian.
 
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latinlover said:
supremely schizoid daco-roman continuity theory be stated as a fact (something that literally none of the reputable romanian historians even believe in despite it is taught en masse in textbooks)
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Looking it up, I was under the impression that was the origin of Romanians? There's even inferred evidence that the Dacians may have been an Italic tribe that never entered Italy. Romans claimed they were able to understand the Dacian language somewhat which would imply relation. This would also mean they'd have easily learned latin which is why there's an odd Romance-island in Eastern Europe.


If we're gonna appeal to academic legalism, it doesn't seem like they're decided on either.
 
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Murenu said:
Looking it up, I was under the impression that was the origin of Romanians? There's even inferred evidence that the Dacians may have been an Italic tribe that never entered Italy. Romans claimed they were able to understand the Dacian language somewhat which would imply relation. This would also mean they'd have easily learned latin which is why there's an odd Romance-island in Eastern Europe.


If we're gonna appeal to academic legalism, it doesn't seem like they're decided on either.
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Academics not being decided on something doesn't mean one of the theories being brought up isn't just flat out retarded. Again, not only am I not a hungarian nationalist I'm essentially not even hungarian so I have no horse in the race but ask yourself what political purpose would the daco-roman continuity theory serve? It all just comes down to an autistic wewuz dick measuring contest where they are meant to legitimize that one of the retards was there before the other retard in their shitty 19th century state.

"You do not understand, it is fucking VITAL for our existence that we were here before the neighbouring cunts, not only that, make it as cool as possible- akchually, we weren't conquered, the dacians weren't completely exterminated and Dacia(the province itself) wasn't abandoned by the romans a while afterwards, we were here since 9000BC but we're also basically romans, not only that but we are literally the only romans! We're probably more roman than the italians. "
The immigration theory isn't good enough for this as it would mean romanians have only been here since the 12th century- meaning they arrived later than the hungayrians and other stinky undesirables. If you're a descendant of dacians however you've been in this shithole since the early Bronze Age, that's pretty good!

Counterpoints to this theory, from my understanding:
  1. Multiple sources including Traianus' own physician who wrote that there wasn't even 40 dacians left. I think the pillar of Traianus also has the scene depicting romans exterminating them- doubt those niggers were working with metaphors.
  2. Dacia was completely abandoned by the end of the 3rd century then it was just a thunderdome of goths, huns, avars, and god knows what or who- there's absolutely no way the roman colonist population could have survived.
  3. Romanians attribute a certain (but still, very small) portion of their language, like 1% to dacian origin- if you take a look at what those words are, it's almost exclusively the ones that they share with albanians and ones that aren't latin, greek or slavic origin. I don't blame them, I wouldn't want common history with stinky albanians either. Protoslavic also had a significant degree of influence on romanian which they do not enjoy talking about from what I understand- like as much as proto germanic had on western latin languages. Also, latin in this case is somehow a counterpoint to romanians=romans because most of the Dacian settlers came from the eastern provinces and as such spoke Greek, which obviously hasn't had the degree of influence that latin had.
 
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latinlover said:
Academics not being decided on something doesn't mean one of the theories being brought up isn't just flat out retarded. Again, not only am I not a hungarian nationalist I'm essentially not even hungarian so I have no horse in the race but ask yourself what political purpose would the daco-roman continuity theory serve? It all just comes down to an autistic wewuz dick measuring contest where they are meant to legitimize that one of the retards was there before the other retard in their shitty 19th century state.
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Sure but at face value this theory isn't patently absurd. It's arguably the Occam's razor without knowing specific info; it's not obviously retarded like, say, "Aryans from Atlantis" or something. In a vacuum the immigration theory sounds just as much confirmation biased as the Dacian theory just from the opposite perspective of people who dislike Romanians.

latinlover said:
Counterpoints to this theory, from my understanding:
  1. Multiple sources including Traianus' own physician who wrote that there wasn't even 40 dacians left. I think the pillar of Traianus also has the scene depicting romans exterminating them- doubt those niggers were working with metaphors.
  2. Dacia was completely abandoned by the end of the 3rd century then it was just a thunderdome of goths, huns, avars, and god knows what or who- there's absolutely no way the roman colonist population could have survived.
  3. Romanians attribute a certain (but still, very small) portion of their language, like 1% to dacian origin- if you take a look at what those words are, it's almost exclusively the ones that they share with albanians and ones that aren't latin, greek or slavic origin. I don't blame them, I wouldn't want common history with stinky albanians either. Protoslavic also had a significant degree of influence on romanian which they do not enjoy talking about from what I understand- like as much as proto germanic had on western latin languages. Also, latin in this case is somehow a counterpoint to romanians=romans because most of the Dacian settlers came from the eastern provinces and as such spoke Greek, which obviously hasn't had the degree of influence that latin had.
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All fair counterpoints, though devil's advocate on the third point: another theory is that the Dacians were actually Albanians (who were implicitly Latinized and became Romanians), and Albanians are the Dacians who migrated westwards and kept their original language. I suppose your first two points, if conclusive, do within reason refute the Dacian hypothesis so I'll concede on that. If true, the immigration theory is the Occam's razor.
 
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Murenu said:
Sure but at face value this theory isn't patently absurd. It's arguably the Occam's razor without knowing specific info; it's not obviously retarded like, say, "Aryans from Atlantis" or something. In a vacuum the immigration theory sounds just as much confirmation biased as the Dacian theory just from the opposite perspective of people who dislike Romanians.
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Absolutely, you're right. That's why the leddit post is so ridiculous, it's an issue literally two people care about: romanians because they're romanian and a tiny subset of non-defeatist/self hating hungayrians because they hate romanians. That's it.
It's an absolute non-issue, the romanians are free to believe whatever fan fiction they want or they can also not do it because it doesn't matter, there is no country in 2024 that will enforce any sort of historic territorial claim against another NATO member, especially not based on fucking wikipedia articles.
I found the part funny where the guy is crying about how misinformation (two spergs 24/7 editing wikipedia articles) is literally genociding poor romanians and how one sided the conversation is under it- noone will side against romania because noone gives a fuck about the issue OR romania. Hungary on the other hand is Eastern Europe's nigger, literally everyone hates them, especially other hungarians, so it's a convenient topic for /r/europe to dogpile on without any knowledge or care about the issue, it's absolutely hilarious.
 
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Just in case you thought the Gamergate article was bad.
 
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Just in case you thought the Gamergate article was bad.
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>malevolent tweets
fucking lmao
Telling a journo to learn to code is pure fucking evil

Also including death threats, as if that's somehow notable. Anyone with a moderately sized following is getting death threats or "death threats" every time they so much as sign into a website. How do they delineate where the average, everyday death threats end and the "'learn to code' harassment campaign" death threats begin?
 
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latinlover said:
Also, latin in this case is somehow a counterpoint to romanians=romans because most of the Dacian settlers came from the eastern provinces and as such spoke Greek, which obviously hasn't had the degree of influence that latin had.
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Did you forget about the Jirechek line? They probably migrated from Bulgaria and Serbia. Still, it's crazy how these Daco-Romans all have founders with Slavic and Cuman names.
 
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Flaming Insignias said:
Just in case you thought the Gamergate article was bad.
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The origins of the phrase have been attributed to a man teaching web development to coal miners.[1][2] It became associated with journalists because multiple major publishers wrote articles celebrating his work.[3][4][5][6]
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Wow, even Kim Jong Un would roll his eyes at this propaganda. :story:

I don't even get it. You're just meant to assume the hacker known as 4chan just froths at the mouth thinking of coal miners building a Java application? Come on, get creative.
 
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Lemon-Lime Turpentine said:
Wow, even Kim Jong Un would roll his eyes at this propaganda. :story:

I don't even get it. You're just meant to assume the hacker known as 4chan just froths at the mouth thinking of coal miners building a Java application? Come on, get creative.
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Check the talk page. All evidence pointing to it being a response to Biden claiming coal miners should just learn coding are dismissed due to the ever popular “reliable sources” claim, and they claim that it is specifically “an attack on the free press”
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Check the talk page. All evidence pointing to it being a response to Biden claiming coal miners should just learn coding are dismissed due to the ever popular “reliable sources” claim, and they claim that it is specifically “an attack on the free press”
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The average wikipedo knows that source cherrypicking is the be all end all of censorship. If allows for perfect control of the narrative while providing a fig leaf of "freedom" where you can just attack the source to have opposing viewpoints censored.

Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
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biozeminadae1 said:
Did you forget about the Jirechek line? They probably migrated from Bulgaria and Serbia. Still, it's crazy how these Daco-Romans all have founders with Slavic and Cuman names.
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That's the thing about transhumance peoples, the Vlachs at the time (the word transliterates as shepherd in many Balkanite "languages", very caste like, suspiciously gypsy) went all over the place, they were settling little pockets everywhere between Istria-Thessaly-Pridnestrovie. My favourite theory is they had a founding element of pure and legitimate wewuzmans (probably refuges from former Dacia, 1/16 Decebalusian bloodline) who lost their Y chromosones to Thracians and degenerated into unga bunga hill people who survived as migratory folk in the shitty uberwald niches before the chaos of the Mongol invasions left them best placed to thrive.
My source for this is it sounds cool so must be true.

The truth is though we will never know because as the Basques and modern Britons show (Preservation of language and culture meaning very little when it comes to lineage) the haploautists are just wrong, and since the contemporary sources all Justinian's head flying around like a bat tier there will never be a true definitive answer. Which makes it all the more funny to imagine future wikidiot diadochi trying to piece together how reliable current year blogposts are in 21XX.
 
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Teghern said:
That's the thing about transhumance peoples, the Vlachs at the time (the word transliterates as shepherd in many Balkanite "languages", very caste like, suspiciously gypsy) went all over the place, they were settling little pockets everywhere between Istria-Thessaly-Pridnestrovie. My favourite theory is they had a founding element of pure and legitimate wewuzmans (probably refuges from former Dacia, 1/16 Decebalusian bloodline) who lost their Y chromosones to Thracians and degenerated into unga bunga hill people who survived as migratory folk in the shitty uberwald niches before the chaos of the Mongol invasions left them best placed to thrive.
My source for this is it sounds cool so must be true.
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Very cool theory. But we know of them before the Mongol Invasions and they seem to have set up shop in Wallachia already in the 12th century. Still their "kenez" (literally Slavic knyaz, wtf) have Slavic and Cuman names circla 1242 or 1245 (almost pre-mongol Invasion).
 
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biozeminadae1 said:
Very cool theory. But we know of them before the Mongol Invasions and they seem to have set up shop in Wallachia already in the 12th century. Still their "kenez" (literally Slavic knyaz, wtf) have Slavic and Cuman names circla 1242 or 1245 (almost pre-mongol Invasion).
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I hear "Roman"ians speak on a daily basis and it is just Polish in an Italian accent to me, I can completely believe they're just slavs who got had a Vlach ruling caste imposed on them by hungaryans who themselves went extinct and were supplanted by their slav minions but preserved the X lineage through the power of womb continuity, funny how there's no mainstream theory promoting that though.
 
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