Dumb Shit on Wikipedia

Holy fucking shit was there no need to make an entire article for this character just for the sole reason that he's "trans" (something he's not explicitly referred to as in the Japanese version, where he's instead described as / implied to be an "Otokonoko", which pretty much means femboy and not straight-out trans).
Do Troons really see it as a victory trooning characters from kid's game a victory?
One thing to note is that Wikipedia has only started deprecating entire sources in the last few years, beginning with the Daily Mail in 2017, and every other deprecation was from 2018 or later.


Breitbart, The Daily Caller and Infowars are all on there, along with some less obvious choices like China Global Television, Sputnik News, The Sun (another UK rag), and user-submitted music databases. Note that they specify this list is non-exhaustive.

They were likely already doing this informally, but only recently have they started making it official. Now attempting to cite one of these sources will (in most cases) trigger a spam filter, which reverts the edit for new and unregistered users, and for everyone else displays a warning and flags up the edit for human revision. Explanation below:

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So they declared a dozen or so new sites unworthy of being sourced before a Chinese propaganda outlet?
Another thing I noticed is that the pro-democracy Apple Daily newspaper in Hong Kong is given a caution rating.

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Between this and those pages about Mao's crimes not actually being crimes (See the Chinese "land reform" under Mao for example), how much do they invest in Wikipedia?
 
Is it official code of conduct to capitalize "black" like the AP does in every article they can find and to retroactively change every mention of Ellen Page to Elliott Page, or is it just tranny janny modflexing?
 
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Is it official code of conduct to capitalize "black" like the AP does in every article they can find and to retroactively change every mention of Ellen Page to Elliott Page, or is it just tranny janny modflexing?

Of course Wikipedia's policy on the matter is to always recognise these name changes.

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There's even a rather sinister instruction to avoid using quotations that refer to the person with the old name.

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This would appear to be at odds with another section of the same article regarding changed names. (Or would this count as a situation where the former name is considered offensive?)

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Regarding the Black thing, there appears to be no clear consensus. I personally think they should capitalise all five letters like: "BLACK" because only that can undo centuries of oppression.

There was a discussion back in January-February this year, which was inconclusive.

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This was preceeded by an EVEN LONGER discussion, which began two days after AP made the change. This too was deemed inconclusive, despite almost all people being against doing this on Wikipedia because – and I quote: "many of the arguments made in opposition were rebutted or missed the point entirely". (They haven't yet managed to get the result they wanted. But hey, I hear third time's the charm.)

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The sheer length of the discussion devoted to this might just be the most autistic thing I've ever seen on Wikipedia.
 
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If they want to ban "propaganda outlets", they should ban all mainstream news as well, since it is mostly propaganda with a "democratic coating". Gross hypocrisy.
Wiki isn't an Encyclopedia, it's an online repository for recategorizing MSM garbage by subject matter, rather than by date of publication. Wikipedia basically bans citation of primary sources, but also discourages citation of academic sources, meaning the only thing in between are dictionaries, news sites, and activist groups like SPLC and Media Matters.
 
If they want to ban "propaganda outlets", they should ban all mainstream news as well, since it is mostly propaganda with a "democratic coating". Gross hypocrisy.
I would find CNN on non-political issues prior to 2005 to be a fairly solid source, as well as New York Times for the majority of its history.

I'd bet money on the fact that before OANN, Epoch Times, et. al. were banned, they poisoned the well by calling them "far-right". Looking at OANN, one of their sources that calls them "far-right" is Vanity Fair, CNN, Daily Beast, WaPo, Poynter Institute (the people behind PolitiFact) and others. It's literally "you're far-right because these far-left nutjobs said so".
 
Wiki isn't an Encyclopedia, it's an online repository for recategorizing MSM garbage by subject matter, rather than by date of publication. Wikipedia basically bans citation of primary sources, but also discourages citation of academic sources, meaning the only thing in between are dictionaries, news sites, and activist groups like SPLC and Media Matters.

I can't go into further detail without power leveling, but I can confirm the part about academic sources as I just saw an instance of this on a talk page by a Wiki-head who clearly didn't know what he was talking about. The argument seemed to be that books are better, somehow (which cite the same academic sources btw) which are several years out of date in this specific instance. Nope, it doesnt matter that if I wrote the author of the book he was talking about he will agree with me about the new information, what matters is what sounds best and is easiest to a complete and total moron on Wikipedia.

I think in most cases, what the Wikipedos dont like is that they don't have easy access to these journals. They want to do all of their wiki'ing by google or google books at best. That they might have to track down a non-internet source for something is unfathomable.
 
Is it official code of conduct to capitalize "black" like the AP does in every article they can find and to retroactively change every mention of Ellen Page to Elliott Page, or is it just tranny janny modflexing?
Yes, this utterly racist bullshit is now in style manuals. As soon as I see "Black" capitalized and "white" not, I instantly disregard everything in the article because it is racist propaganda.
 
One of the co-founders of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, is a conservative who has spoken out about Wikipedia's left-wing bias. The talk page for his article is a shitshow full of Wikipedos calling him a radicalized extremist for daring to call them out and refusing to include quotes from his own blog in his Wiki article unless a left-wing news source writes about them:

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They're saying that they won't include things that he's said on his own blog because his blog isn't a "reliable source," (and nor is Fox News, even when Fox News is just transcribing things that Sanger has said) but if a left-wing news outlet quotes said blog then suddenly excerpts from the blog would be credible and viable for inclusion. That makes no sense at all and they're just demonstrating how ridiculous the bias is.

More seething and examples of not being biased:

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If only "reliable sources" would quote his blog and call him a conspiracy theorist so we can use his Wiki page to slander him!:

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New York Times for the majority of its history.
Lets just ignore:

Covering up a lead pipe crisis throughout the entire 19th century

Outright fabricating atrocities by the White Army during the Russian Revolution

Actively denying the Holodomor genocide while it was happening despite numerous reports saying otherwise

Failing to report on the Holocaust throughout the entirety of ww2

Spreading anti-Mexican/Black drug-war nonsense

Dragging the United States into two wars in Iraq with improper reporting (Incubator babies, WMDs)

Forcing Chris Hedges to leave over critiquing the Iraq War

Agreeing to sell add China Watch propaganda to their papers for lump sum payments and access to mainland markets

Consumer reporting favoring corporations (Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent)

Leading the charge during the Duke University scandal

Supporting NSA spying since the 2000s

Creating the 1619 project which argues that the United States was created for slavery
 
Of course Wikipedia's policy on the matter is to always recognise these name changes.

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There's even a rather sinister instruction to avoid using quotations that refer to the person with the old name.

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This would appear to be at odds with another section of the same article regarding changed names. (Or would this count as a situation where the former name is considered offensive?)

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Regarding the Black thing, there appears to be no clear consensus. I personally think they should capitalise all five letters like: "BLACK" because only that can undo centuries of oppression.

There was a discussion back in January-February this year, which was inconclusive.


This was preceeded by an EVEN LONGER discussion, which began two days after AP made the change. This too was deemed inconclusive, despite almost all people being against doing this on Wikipedia because – and I quote: "many of the arguments made in opposition were rebutted or missed the point entirely". (They haven't yet managed to get the result they wanted. But hey, I hear third time's the charm.)


The sheer length of the discussion devoted to this might just be the most autistic thing I've ever seen on Wikipedia.
Holy shit. Are the people who edit this website even aware of the concept of "outside" anymore? Anyway, I came here to crosspost a relevant article from A&N, so here you go:


A long-time Wikipedia editor for over a decade, Guy Macon, retired from the site late June after he was briefly banned for not using “preferred pronouns” when discussing a ban appeal by former site administrator Ashley Van Haeften. Macon used Van Haeften’s username “Fæ” instead of singular “they” due to grammatical objections. Van Haeften and Macon previously fought over the former’s agenda-driven editing. Though the ban was lifted on grounds Macon was sincerely trying to respect Van Haeften’s wishes, some administrators still argued it was valid, citing the “code of conduct” recently imposed by Wikipedia’s owners.

Previously, Van Haeften chaired the Wikimedia UK chapter organization, which represents the British Wikipedia community of editors. He resigned his position in 2012 following an earlier ban that saw him stripped of his special administrative privileges.

Van Haeften was banned from Wikipedia indefinitely back in November for violating a restriction prohibiting him from edits related to human sexuality. He had asked several prospective candidates for Wikipedia’s Arbitration Committee, often likened to a Supreme Court, if they support the code of conduct then proposedby the Wikimedia Foundation that owns the site, specifically its provisions requiring use of “preferred pronouns” and otherwise validating LGBT identities. The indefinite ban was imposed after Van Haeften claimed to have not violated his restriction with those comments, a position administrators rejected.

Last month, Van Haeften signaled his intent to appeal the ban and invited users to ask questions before he proceeded. Macon subsequently raised a series of questions about whether Van Haeften understood the original restrictions he was banned for violating and what he intended to do after the ban was lifted. The questions echoed ones earlier from a member of the Arbitration Committee about whether Van Haeften would limit his involvement in controversial topics generally, though Van Haeften dismissed any concerns related to such edits.

Macon’s questions were promptly criticized by other editors, including administrator and former Wikimedia UK Chairman Chris Keating, as Macon had made a point of only referring to Van Haeften by his username “Fæ” instead of using pronouns. On his profile page, Van Haeften requests editors refer to him using the singular “they” pronoun on Wikipedia, though he does not claim to be transgender. Instead, he states that, while people may know him outside Wikipedia, this is different from his “on-project identity” and requests editors use singular “they” pronouns when referring to his account.

In avoiding the use of preferred pronouns, Macon cited a previous discussion where he had been reported for using the “xe” pronoun for Van Haeften and was told by administrator “Floquenbeam” that using any pronoun other than the singular “they” pronoun in the future would result in a ban of his account. Macon at the time stated his reason for using a different pronoun was because he considered singular “they” grammatically incorrect and thus chose a different non-gendered pronoun. Therefore, with the stated intent to avoid issues in his comment on Van Haeften’s unban discussion he simply used Van Haeften’s username.

However, Macon’s avoidance of pronouns was claimed by Floquenbeam to itself be “trolling” and he subsequently removed the questions stating as much. Floquenbeam then imposed a two-day banon Macon’s account on the grounds Macon was “intentionally mocking someone’s gender” and warned any future ban would be indefinite. Macon had no previous bans. When one editor suggestedthe incident was a questionable reason for a ban, Keating intervened to claim Macon’s comment was “a clear breach of the civility policy and the Universal Code of Conduct” in defending the ban.

Responding to the ban, Macon erased all messages from his personal discussion page and announced he was quitting the site over it stating he was “blocked without warning for doing my level best to do exactly what I was previously ordered to do.” He still appealed the ban stating he “had a good-faith belief that completely avoiding all personal pronouns and only using the username was the right thing to do.” Macon stated as a high-functioning autistic person he was “very good at following clear instructions” and tried to do so in Van Haeften’s case. He added he would not resume editing Wikipedia articles regardless of the appeal’s result.

After several other administrators agreed Macon’s actions were not intended to disrespect Van Haeften’s claimed pronoun preferences and Macon agreed to a ban on interacting with Van Haeften, an administrator lifted the ban. Subsequent discussion about the ban on Macon’s page raised concerns about administrators being quick to impose bans over non-standard pronoun preferences with one arguing Macon leaving the site would be reasonable if using usernames instead of pronouns would get someone banned under site policy. Editor “Atsme” raised the concern that such changing standards “add a rather chilling effect to the [Wikipedia] working environment.”

Commenting to echo such concerns, Macon expressed having long supported the “LGBTQ+ community” and that his initial approach to gender-neutral pronouns was based on advice from a transgender friend. When his early efforts prompted controversy, Macon stated he came to believe “personal pronouns were a mine field” regarding Van Haeften and opted to avoid them entirely, something Macon had done in an earlier discussion without objection. Now learning this would also result in a ban, Macon expressed dismay stating: “I just know that however hard I try and no matter what I say, I am doomed.”

Due to this, Macon stated he would only resume editing articles if the administrator who banned him ceased being one, let other administrators handle such matters in the future, or if a community discussion was allowed to rule whether the original ban decision was invalid. However, Macon did not believe any of these outcomes were likely. Some editors argued for bringing the issue to the Arbitration Committee due to recent pronoun disputes, such as one earlier this year over the use of “tree” as a pronoun, which also prompted a controversial ban.

One editor suggested such efforts may instead get Macon banned again for “transphobia” claiming: “it’s very hard to think of someone who steadfastly refuses to use singular they as anything other than transphobic, and excuses for not using singular they based on age or autism or grammar only make it worse.” Claiming concern for Macon, the editor added this was “a real risk here if you don’t just capitulate, say ‘OK I’ll use singular they,’ and leave it at that.” The editor concluded: “I am sure that I’m not the only here who thinks outright refusal to use singular they to refer to a nonbinary person is morally indefensible.”

The pronoun issue was later raised at the personal discussion page for Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales, where an editor citing Macon’s ban questioned why a community-made Wikipedia user interface did not have more “inclusive” pronoun options and treated singular “they” as a gender-neutral default rather than a specific choice. Not commenting on the specifics of Macon’s ban, Wales stated: “I strongly support that people should be called by whatever pronouns they prefer.” Wales also stated he had no real issue with singular “they” as a pronoun, including when preferences aren’t known.

LGBT issues have been a recurring source of controversy surrounding Van Haeften. In early 2019, Van Haeften got a satirical article about Wikipedia policy regarding non-standard pronouns in the Signpost community newsletter retractedclaiming it “marginalizes and disparages transgender, nonbinary or genderqueer readers and Wikipedians.” Van Haeften’s current restriction against edits relating to human sexuality came about due to a discussion regarding an article on transgender activist Jessica Yaniv’s failed discrimination lawsuit against three women who refused to wax Yaniv’s male genitalia. Arguing the article was an “attack page” and should be deleted, Van Haeften decided to “prove it” by adding content he deemed “transphobic” to the page.

Other areas have also seen agenda-pushing from Van Haeften. Macon’s initial warning about using Van Haeften’s preferred pronouns came about in a discussion where he criticized Van Haeften suggesting an editor was sexist for noting a female scientist was complaining on Twitter about an attempt to delete Wikipedia’s page on her. In a reply to Van Haeften’s plans to appeal his ban, one editor noted his anti-Donald Trump agenda pushing on Wikipedia-affiliated image repository Wikimedia Commons. There Van Haeften arguedin favor of allowing videos on the front page of Commons smearing Trump on his last days in office, though the proposed front page appearances were eventually rejected.

Before focusing on gender-related issues, Van Haeften was known for inflammatory editing regarding sexuality, particularly homosexuality. Previously editing as “Ash” on Wikipedia, Van Haeften was the subject of a discussion focused on his failure to adhere to site sourcing standards, particularly with regards to articles on gay porn actors where he was criticized for using unreliable sources to push for excessive numbers of Wikipedia articles on them. Before that discussion concluded, Van Haeften claimed to be “leaving” the site, but instead created the Fæ account and continued editing without disclosing this fact. A year later, Van Haeften deceived editors about his prior activity to obtain administrator privileges.

Eventually, Van Haeften joined the Wikimedia UK chapter organization’s board and became its chair in 2012. Another Wikipedia discussion cited Van Haeften dodging accountability by changing accounts, his deceit about it, and subsequent misconduct, to demand Van Haeften resign his position as administrator. Failing to resolve the matter, Van Haeften’s conduct was brought to the Arbitration Committee, which found he violated sourcing policies and illicitly used multiple undeclared accounts among other misconduct. Van Haeften resigned as an administrator and was banned by the Committee, with him resigning from the Wikimedia UK board shortly afterwards. The ban was eventually lifted with a restriction against certain edits about human sexuality, which was lifted in 2016 before his current ban on edits about the topic was imposed.

In the lead-up to his initial ban, Van Haeften sought to use Wikipedia policies on personal information to shut down discussion about his conduct and even brought concerns about the Arbitration Committee case to a Wikimedia Foundation staff member in what the Committee criticized as an attempt to seek intervention by the site’s owners. Van Haeften has exhibited a similar pattern regarding pronoun usage, invoking policies on “preferred pronouns” against critics such as Macon. Such use of left-wing identity politics standards to silence opponents was one concern editors have raised regarding efforts to impose a “code of conduct” on Wikipedia and other sites owned by the Foundation.

As with the feud on Wikipedia earlier this year regarding claims about actor Keiynan Lonsdale’s “preferred pronouns” being “tree” and “treeself” based on an old interview despite questions about his sincerity, those running afoul of pronoun standards often themselves favor a left-wing identity politics agenda. Given the site’s widely observed left-wing bias, criticized even by site co-founder Larry Sanger, the imposition of more radical standards only risks worsening a problem evidenced in multiple studies and analyses.
 
Is it official code of conduct to capitalize "black" like the AP does in every article they can find and to retroactively change every mention of Ellen Page to Elliott Page, or is it just tranny janny modflexing?
IMDB has attempted to do this with Ellen Page and other troons, and they've done a poor job of it. Reading a Trivia page for a movie like Inception is hilarious because of this. Some individual entries have hyperlinks to people when they're mentioned, but others do not. Obviously the hyperlinks get rendered with the troon name, and it's apparent they've done at least some automated search-and-replace, but some of the entries just sound ridiculous now:

Before Elliott Page was offered and accepted the role of Ariadne, writer, producer, and director Christopher Nolan considered casting Evan Rachel Wood, Emily Blunt, Rachel McAdams, Emma Roberts, Jessy Schram, Taylor Swift, and Carey Mulligan.
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Marion Cotillard and Elliot Page appear in this movie together. They were both nominated for the "Best Actress" category at the BAFTAs, and for the Academy Award in 2008. Cotillard for La Vie en Rose (2007), and Page for Juno (2007). Cotillard won both awards.
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Leonardo DiCaprio, Marion Cotillard, and Elliot Page were all in the long list for a BAFTA nomination in 2011 for their performances in this movie. DiCaprio as Best Leading Actor, and Cotillard and Page as Best Supporting Actress, respectively, but they didn't make the final cut.
(emphasis added) It boggles my mind that people think statements like these are just perfectly fine and not at all confusing or nonsensical. How can these drones think this kind of thing doesn't cause normal people to think "wait, what? That was a chick in the movie. Who is this 'Elliot' guy? Why was this guy nominated for best supporting 'actress' and not the woman who played the chick in the movie?"

Nope, it doesnt matter that if I wrote the author of the book he was talking about he will agree with me about the new information, what matters is what sounds best and is easiest to a complete and total moron on Wikipedia.
Let me guess. They called that "original research" and dismissed it out-of-hand, right?
 

Somebody linked the talk page for this article a year ago in this thread, but this article is a hoot where the degeneracy oozes like pus through the sterile academic language with phrases like "bugchasing activity" and "poz vampire". Choice quotes:
There is a fifth possible motivation—suicide[13]—but this remains an unclear or imprecise explanation for bugchasing behavior.

But perhaps even more to the point of the metaphor, the physical characteristics of HIV infection are similar to pregnancy[...]

HIV-positive men who purposely seek out others to infect with HIV—known as giftgivers—are constructed as hypermasculine through a penetrative sexual role, while bugchasers are understood to lack masculinity: penetrated (rather than penetrating), having their rectums described with words relating to women such as "pussy" and "mancunt", they occupy a feminine role in the social order

I don't pull out of his torn cunt until I'm sure my poison sperm is well into his bloodstream, invading his DNA to begin reproducing baby strains of death.

— Member of a bugchasing community[23]
 
I don't know which one of you is CatCafe but one of you shat up the talk page on wikipedia about Yaniv. We get it - Yaniv is a gross person, but that drama isn't needed on Wikipedia. Also if you're going to insert an image of Yaniv, at least *try* to launder it through reliable sources, and make it more believable than "Jessica" yaniv.
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We noticed previously that you seem to have a vested interest in Kiwi Farms. How does it feel to be a member of a site known for (and I quote) "ongoing harassment and stalking, including real-life harassment by users"?
 
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