EBT Payment Shutdown Thread

[AnOminous]

Also these are owned in big shares by (((Black Rock)))).

If every person involved in this foul conspiracy organization were Zykloned, the world would be immensely improved.

Oh man, once you taste a steak that didn't get fucking dyes and shit shoved into it and didn't come from some fucking automated bullshit, you will NEVER GO BACK.

This. Shop at a custom butcher. If you have Amish nearby, even better. They may be enslaved to the same bullshit as others, that is, if they want to sell to the public, they have to use the ridiculously few factory slaughterhouses that are USDA certified in even the most rural states. (Or maybe a few of them cheat but if you snitch on that you are a little bitch who needs to die.) However, you at least know where the meat came from.

And the quality is high. The crap that gets away with calling itself "USDA Prime" in places like WalMart is beneath belief. Unrated shit at a real butcher far surpasses it in quality.

Another thing I'll recommend from this kind of butcher is their ribs. I got baby back ribs, did them sous vide (very low temp 24 hours) before grilling them, and I never ever had anything remotely that good before.

I'm making myself hungry even thinking of them.

 

[Gunter x Gunter]

And just a reminder, USAID was wrapped up into a larger hydra of an organization to make people think that shit was removed and to stop Noticing - it was not "shut down" in any way.

I am sure there are clandestine dark money interest that aren't as obvious as USAID. But those will require a lot more digging and a lot more political will than what I think the current administration is willing to do. But still USAID was a huge chunk of that and it's impact was and will continue to be felt.

 

[BigMan13]

Society as a whole is attempting to infringe upon that person's liberty, so society has to pony up for it.

This is not rocket science. Actual, real human rights in a rigorous philosophical sense still exist even if no one else is there to provide you with anything. Everything else is just gibs.

Look, I understand where people are coming from with the difference between rights worth financing and rights not worth financing. The problem with "human rights" is that they are totalizing moral abstractions with no immediately observable definition (not to mention "human" and "right" itself could be hotly contested). Both SNAP and "Western" legal systems require a lot of money, which is taxed from the general population. Just because you don't see SNAP as a proper "human right" doesn't mean somebody else also doesn't, and from that there will be endless debate and arguing with nothing ever getting fixed ("nothing ever happens").

Human rights, are a western concept, and the reason why the left [...]

They are just remixes of christian moral tradition and their core tenants.

or those that actually are needing food, I haven't heard of being farther than a couple hours away from a food bank in the urban. Areas where most of these people already live.

5 day's worth of rice is also downward of $6. Starvation is an illusion. And "balanced nutrition", while real as a once-in-a-while thing, is also an illusion also designed for increased consumption.

 

[Brenda Holiday]

those sound like gypsies, they know that americans read them as latinos

Could have been because around the same time there were some gypsies in the area doing similar scams. I saw them getting into a van after panhandling, my first time seeing gypsies. They've long since left the area thankfully, unfortunately they probably made a lot of money from the kindhearted and gullible around here.
As the month goes on I expect an increase in panhandling especially involving kids and signs talking about muh food stamps.

 

[DeeDee Megadoodoo]

Bodycams. God, I love them.

When BLM demanded that they be made mandatory for police, they must have been wishing upon a monkey's paw.

In more ways than one, now that I think about it...

I would've sworn bodycams had been around since the 90's, but I looked it up and saw they really only became widespread around 2014-2015. Their effect has been amazing and yeah-- terrible for the BLM types.

 

[Spaceman Spud]

Not correct at all. Remember when Eichmann was tried in 1961. Read of the Nuremberg Trials, read and seen accounts of the camps being liberated.

How about how all the confessions at Nuremberg were obtained through torture?

 

[AnOminous]

Look, I understand where people are coming from with the difference between rights worth financing and rights not worth financing.

Actually there's a fundamental dichotomy in concepts of what "rights" even are.

While there's a general concept among people who believe in "rights" that they are inherent to any sapient being (and possibly any sentient being), the traditional positive concept of rights is that they are based in the ability to make rational decisions. Rational beings have a right to express their beliefs. They have a right to defend themselves. They have a right to own property. They have the right to make contracts with each other.

Then there are the "rights" for other things. The right to food. The right to medical care. The right to have OTHERS do for you.

The first set of rights just require whatever the government is to fuck off, other than enforcing contracts and protecting property. The second requires the government to take other people's money to provide.

All functioning governments outside of absolute failure governments in places like Somalia or the Sudan do both things. All functioning governments also have to resolve issues when there are ridiculous situations like starving our own citizens in order to feed steak and lobster to criminals who are here illegally.

 

[GlupShitto]

So you're laughing at yourself?

Serious post time at JimJam. I basically had to use Autism Pill/Naxopren combination to deal with a toothache until I could get a root canal this year. I probably would been able to get Vicodin before this mess.

 

[mold]

again given that we're now discussing natural rights theory I feel less bad about sperging about one of my special interests

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20766306-the-dreadlock-recollections

this is an excellent and reasonably accessible example of how paranoid schizophrenia interacts with a counterculture funded via drug smuggling and real law enforcement and real spy shit. Pynchon's fiction covers the same terrority.

 

[GlupShitto]

I am sure there are clandestine dark money interest that aren't as obvious as USAID. But those will require a lot more digging and a lot more political will than what I think the current administration is willing to do. But still USAID was a huge chunk of that and it's impact was and will continue to be felt.

We need Vance 2028 because I think he'd be willing to raze it all to the ground.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I was going to refrain from responding to this because I felt bad about already going OT so hard but I see the thread now contains entire thesis discussions about common law and also arguments about food additives so here goes:

I know you're just joking but I think it's very important to have an accurate view of this period because it is a critical part of the history of our nation. There is still as yet no clear winner of the American cultural revolution to write history to put themselves firmly on top and present the opposition as dirty scumbags who deserved to lose. All sides are still vigorously engaged in ideological combat. One place this can be seen is the attempt to create a narrative in which everything happens as a function of the cold war. But mostly it was just disorganized and paranoid people trying to make sense of their experience and fixating on cold war spy agencies to do so.

I'll post a particularly good (and very sad) example in a little bit.

I am only half joking, I don't think the CIA had their hands in every hippie commune, but We know about the Feds pulling shit like Gladio or Whitmers kidnapping so it is a distinct possibility.

We need Vance 2028 because I think he'd be willing to raze it all to the ground.

I want it to happen just to see if he makes a campaign sticker out of the face meme.

 

[mold]

I am only half joking, I don't think the CIA had their hands in every hippie commune, but We know about the Feds pulling shit like Gladio or Whitmers kidnapping so it is a distinct possibility.

I really believe that it is very very important to create as accurate a mental picture of this era as possible, hence my sperging.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I really believe that it is very very important to create as accurate a mental picture of this era as possible, hence my sperging.

And it is accurate that our government sticks its dick into shit.

 

[BigMan13]

Actually there's a fundamental dichotomy in concepts of what "rights" even are.

While there's a general concept among people who believe in "rights" that they are inherent to any sapient being (and possibly any sentient being), the traditional positive concept of rights is that they are based in the ability to make rational decisions. Rational beings have a right to express their beliefs. They have a right to defend themselves. They have a right to own property. They have the right to make contracts with each other.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. People get so mad about "rights" and "is [x] a right" when the defintion has always been changing, usually only being decided by unspoken social consensus rather than individual effort. Actually, like most religions, come to think of it. In America alone, IIRC, rights used to be exclusive to men (original intent of the phrasing "all men"), some as you mention were exclusive to property, some existed in grey zones of people technically having them but in practice not, like in voting at various points, some being decided based on your "race" (which is also arbitrary, and constantly changing).

It's absolutely insane. In what I've observed, it is absolutely not worth arguing things on the basis of "rights", as that is endless, and instead basing legitimacy on what functions (per whatever given objective). If the objective is to create generational divisions between Americans and chronic governmental dependency and hyper-importance, then our welfare does greatly in that function. If the objective is to allow Americans to live their own lives unimpeded, then our welfare functions horribly in that function.

 

[Lord Of Shit]

I would've sworn bodycams had been around since the 90's, but I looked it up and saw they really only became widespread around 2014-2015. Their effect has been amazing and yeah-- terrible for the BLM types.

And the best part is that the technology is fully mature now, cheap, very easy to deploy and administrate, and keeps everyone honest, including the police, amongst whom there are also bad actors whom can no longer get away so easily with unprofessional behaviour.

And there is absolutely no good argument whatsoever for ending their use; you get the usual appeals to emotion like:

"We demand an end to the surveillance of Black communities!" ('cuz it's making us look bad).

But most of the galaxy-brains in those bodycam vids truly, genuinely seem to believe that cameras, be they those of phones or bodycams, are magic devices that make police go away or otherwise do what you want, not understanding that all they do is make a record of reality, and when that record shows certain people behaving very, very badly, not only does it not make Da'ShawnQuantavious' warrant for felony murder go away, as he wishes, it kinda makes him look like the asshole.

Those bodycam vids are full of morons screeching "Somebody record 'dis!", and the cops responding with exasperated yet quiet confidence "Oh, don't worry; this is all being recorded, all right..."

 

[mold]

what I have learned here is that chimpouts are the only thing that keeps anyone from sperging

 

[TismFarmer]

Very common oxymoron that we need to stop accepting immediately.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QvDMpcrDmW0
Senators in the 1800s took great pains to explain exactly what was meant by:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Emphasis in bold. Every person in the country is subject to the America's criminal jurisdiction, but not to its political jurisdiction.

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Obviously slaves were the major exception because they were effectively stateless, but the famous case of the Chinese immigrants decades ago follows this exact same logic, as outlined by the senators who debated it. The Chinese couple had already fled China, renounced citizenship, and taken steps to become American citizens. This is a far cry from every third world shitskin who washes up on our shores looking for gibs today.


TL;DR
Illegals are still subject to the jurisdiction of their own countries. Their children inherit this. Birthright citizenship for so called anchor babies has never, ever been constitutional.

Vance must hammer this issue. It is absolutely critical, and it can be explained in a 15 minute video.

In New Zealand, babies are born with the most favorable status of either parent.
So if an immigrant, even here illegally, has a baby with a citizen, that baby is a citizen.
If 2 people on temporary work VISAs or student VISAs have a baby, then the baby is only allowed to stay here as long as the parents can and unless your work VISA lasts more than 2 years, you don't get free Healthcare, and cant open a bank account. If you aren't a Citizen or Permanent Resident, then you get no welfare. (Unless you're a refugee)
Seems to be about as fair as a country can make it.

 

[Individualism Incarnate]

hamburger in those fucking tubes

You buy the ground beef tubes? Jesus you're fucking poor.

 

[mold]

frens I'm upset about some of the food I'm seeing on this thread

prioritize quality high on the food chain. ick accumulates as you move up the food chain, so if you need to save money, don't buy all your food from the same place. Meat and fish is where you spend your money.

if you're really broke, make stock from the highest quality bones and scraps that you can get, then use that stock to cook legumes and grains.

Get the legumes and grains from wherever, what is going to take you out is what's in the meat.

 

[Tin Foil Hatter]

They are just remixes of christian moral tradition and their core tenants.

So what if they are? Look at the cultures that tried living without Christian moral tradition. Did that work out well for the soviets? Are the Japanese happy? Would you like to live in china or Indonesia? How about India? They are a super power now right? If you know of an alternative that has worked please let me know. I have grievances with the church, as do a lot of people, but the sad truth is that part of WHY the west did so well that they got to colonize and oppress the rest of the world was BECAUSE Christian moral tradition. This same Christian moral tradition is also why there is this regret for those actions.

When i was younger i did find the Bible thumpers to be obnoxious, but i have seen what replaced them and frankly i would rather have the Bible thumpers.