Elden Ring

[capitalBBustard]

I was under the impression that the Manus business happened after Gwyn fucked over humanity, but there's so much ambiguity in the timeline I suppose Manus could've predated Gwyn's obsessive quest to remain relevant forever.

Manus is a "primeval man", presumably a pygmy. It seems like he, much like the ones in Ringed City, didn't have a ring of fire put on him so he was not mortal. His meltdown had nothing to do with Gwyn, it was purely because he had an emotional breakdown after his pendant went missing. That's it. And this caused Oolacile's destruction and the creation of an abyss.

Again, the whole "Gwyn was just JELLY and BUTTMAD" takes are so off base when you look at what the games actually present. You deliberately have to ignore every bit of information shown and told to you besides Kaathe, the most untrustworthy character in the game.

Not really, but it's nice to know you still seethe about it like a year later, even though I'm still right.

I suppose the issue is less cut content and more that Dark Souls 3 is fucking retarded and contradictory to previously established games in the franchise. And yes, even if the Q.A. leak happened to be fake (which would legitimately be my bad) it is still a game that was hastily slapped together at the last second full of cut content and misshapen ideas that barely together into a cohesive whole. You can admit that the issue is less I think the game has a massive fuckton of cut content and that you're just mad that I don't like your favorite game.

>base opinion off of fake shit
>learn it was fake
>"muh opinion is still right REE"
Bonus points for trying to backpedal and the No U.
>"You remembered I was a tard, I win"

 

[DapperShark]

I've never understood people shitting on DS3, it gave us The Ringed City and the Slave Knight Gael boss fight and I still think that's the peak of Fromsoft.

 

[Asian tech support]

I've never understood people shitting on DS3, it gave us The Ringed City and the Slave Knight Gael boss fight and I still think that's the peak of Fromsoft.

I have issues with it because the pvp is trash. In every area besides that and some aspects of its level design, it was great, bosses especially.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I've never understood people shitting on DS3, it gave us The Ringed City and the Slave Knight Gael boss fight and I still think that's the peak of Fromsoft.

It was way too linear, so too many things were locked away until the late game and you end up using the same weapons over and over again, hurting replayability.

 

[K!w!Fartz]

Marika: Now you are banished to the sewer realm! AKA just under Lyndell, Capital of Lands-Between.

 

[Raging Capybara]

It was way too linear, so too many things were locked away until the late game and you end up using the same weapons over and over again, hurting replayability.

You can kill the Dancer right away.

Only the archives are locked.

 

[K!w!Fartz]

I have issues with it because the pvp is trash.

The only thing wrong with the PVP is that you can't choose to invade everywhere in the world at the same time. you can only invade in the area you're currently standing in which basically means you only ever get to invade Aldrich's courtyard because that's the only location where the PVP is still active.
also, there are a lot of hackers who ruin the game for some reason. I don't understand the mindset of hackers who just ruin the game for others in the lamest, unfunniest way possible all year round. glad this isn't a problem in Elden ring.

 

[Übertroon]

From Software lore is always impossible to piece together as a complete narrative, but the main plot points are always very clear and simple to understand.

I see no problem with that. I do not need to know the entire backstory of Orbeck of Vinheim and what is motivations are. The game makes it clear he has goals of his own, but I can only speculate what they might be.
It's never going to contradict the plot of defeating the lords of cinder to get to the kiln of the first flame.
Same with Elden Ring. I don't think I've ever stopped and went "wait a minute, what am I doing? Why is this happening?", which is more than I can say for certain dialogue heavy "cinematic" games

 

[Asian tech support]

The only thing wrong with the PVP is that you can't choose to invade everywhere in the world at the same time. you can only invade in the area you're currently standing in which basically means you only ever get to invade Aldrich's courtyard because that's the only location where the PVP is still active.
also, there are a lot of hackers who ruin the game for some reason. I don't understand the mindset of hackers who just ruin the game for others in the lamest, unfunniest way possible all year round. glad this isn't a problem in Elden ring.

That's not even my real issue with it. My autistic gripe is that its similarities with DS1 are superficial at best. Almost all of the old mechanics and tech is nonexistant. Poise was a shadow of its former self, movement was still not as precise as DS1, attacks didn't combo as well, toggling was gone, etc etc. If anything, it plays more like DS2 pvp which despite being the worst of the series had some cracked bullshit that we never saw the likes of again. Spiced down great resonant soul, forbidden sun, mlgs buffed with cmw, old sun ring, dark fog bat staff... busted, fun, and all of it was gone within one or two patches. All of the fotm metas that came after that first month or so were boring and eventually killed the game.
I'm cranky I never got more DS1.

 

[DapperShark]

The only thing wrong with the PVP is that you can't choose to invade everywhere in the world at the same time. you can only invade in the area you're currently standing in which basically means you only ever get to invade Aldrich's courtyard because that's the only location where the PVP is still active.
also, there are a lot of hackers who ruin the game for some reason. I don't understand the mindset of hackers who just ruin the game for others in the lamest, unfunniest way possible all year round. glad this isn't a problem in Elden ring.

Go to nexusmods and get yourself Wex Dust and Blue Sentinel, the former lets you invade anywhere from anywhere and the latter makes hackers a non issue.

 

[Thomas Talus]

You can kill the Dancer right away.

Only the archives are locked.

You have to go linearly through High Wall -> Settlement-> Farron -> Carthus -> Irythil -> Anor Londo. There are a couple of small side branches, but there is no avoiding that order, and it controls the early-to-mid game.

By comparison, DS1 had its loop you could go around quickly to get where you wanted for the early game, then a choke point for Sen's/AL before letting you choose paths again. DS2 had a hub-and-spoke that allowed for incredible freedom for the early and mid game, only narrowing in the late game. ER lets you go into Liurnia and Caelid with no obstacles, then a minor obstacle (beat a Godrick Knight and run past some vampires) to enter Altus and Gelmir, where you again have the run of the place until it's time to enter Leyndell (and there are two ways to do that).

 

[K!w!Fartz]

Go to nexusmods and get yourself Wex Dust and Blue Sentinel, the former lets you invade anywhere from anywhere and the latter makes hackers a non issue.

I already knew this and did it, but thanks for the recommendation. I just didn't include it in my post because I didn't want it to be too long. plus, it's not part of the unmodded game, so it doesn't count.

 

[Estate]

I've deleted all my current characters in Elden Ring and once the DLC drops, I'll start a new game, so I've been thinking of what build I should do.
I'll probably end up with an INT build or INT hybrid, since I always play sorcerer type characters, but I might try something else or add some other tools to my kit.
I'm honestly thinking of going into the DLC zone and throwing pots of literal shit at the new enemies, just for shits and giggles.
So, if you have some cool and/or funny stuff to sell me on, go ahead.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I've deleted all my current characters in Elden Ring and once the DLC drops, I'll start a new game, so I've been thinking of what build I should do.
I'll probably end up with an INT build or INT hybrid, since I always play sorcerer type characters, but I might try something else or add some other tools to my kit.

Give Int/Fth a try if you haven't before, you'll be set up to use just about any spell the DLC might have, and the Sword of Night and Flame is incredibly fun.

 

[User names must be unique]

I've deleted all my current characters in Elden Ring and once the DLC drops, I'll start a new game, so I've been thinking of what build I should do.
I'll probably end up with an INT build or INT hybrid, since I always play sorcerer type characters, but I might try something else or add some other tools to my kit.
I'm honestly thinking of going into the DLC zone and throwing pots of literal shit at the new enemies, just for shits and giggles.
So, if you have some cool and/or funny stuff to sell me on, go ahead.

Sword and board it's fun, there's nothing quite so cool as using a guard counter to duck under an enemy attack while landing your own attack... alright it's actually shit but sometimes it looks fucking cool and that's more important than big damage.

 

[Tablet County]

Again, the whole "Gwyn was just JELLY and BUTTMAD" takes are so off base when you look at what the games actually present. You deliberately have to ignore every bit of information shown and told to you besides Kaathe, the most untrustworthy character in the game.

I never got the impression that he was "JELLY and BUTTMAD", more that he was absolutely terrified of humanity's ability to grow exponentially more powerful and equally as terrified of the Age of Fire ending and everything he built coming to ruin.
Also why the hostile tone, homie? We're just hashing out lore.

 

[Coldgrip]

I've deleted all my current characters in Elden Ring and once the DLC drops, I'll start a new game, so I've been thinking of what build I should do.
I'll probably end up with an INT build or INT hybrid, since I always play sorcerer type characters, but I might try something else or add some other tools to my kit.
I'm honestly thinking of going into the DLC zone and throwing pots of literal shit at the new enemies, just for shits and giggles.
So, if you have some cool and/or funny stuff to sell me on, go ahead.

Get fist weapon of your choice, slap Lifesteal Fist on it and equip the Crimson Dagger talisman, every time you stance break an enemy or use Lifesteal scream "Your soul is mine!"

You have no idea how much amusement I got out of doing just that.

 

[Mega Black]

>base opinion off of fake shit
>learn it was fake
>"muh opinion is still right REE"
Bonus points for trying to backpedal and the No U.
>"You remembered I was a tard, I win"

Continue to cope and see the my friend, it won't change the reality of Dark Souls 3 being a jumbled mess of cut content with DLC that does fuck all to make the story make a semblance of sense.

I never got the impression that he was "JELLY and BUTTMAD", more that he was absolutely terrified of humanity's ability to grow exponentially more powerful and equally as terrified of the Age of Fire ending and everything he built coming to ruin.
Also why the hostile tone, homie? We're just hashing out lore.

The hostile tone is because he's a faggot. But yeah, Gwyn was scared of letting his age die. He wasn't buttmad, he was afraid and acting out of a desire to preserve his age and his control over the world.

Whether this is justified fear or not is up in the air. What we see of the age of Dark doesn't seem great but it's pretty clear it's something that has to happen as a natural order of the world.

 

[Tablet County]

Continue to cope and seath my friend

Ftfy

 

[capitalBBustard]

I never got the impression that he was "JELLY and BUTTMAD", more that he was absolutely terrified of humanity's ability to grow exponentially more powerful and equally as terrified of the Age of Fire ending and everything he built coming to ruin.
Also why the hostile tone, homie? We're just hashing out lore.

Again, you're taking Kaathe's bs at face value and nothing else the game shows you. A large piece of humanity(the dark soul fragment, not the race) is one sped away from becoming a catastrophe, destroying cities and killing everyone including other humans (ala Manus). And humanity is constantly growing within humans if not kept in check. The Age of Fire is likewise shown to be unequivocally good for everyone, including humans. The freaking sun only exists thanks to the First Flame. It going out leaves the world a blind shithole where average people (mostly humans) get fucked even harder by abyss monsters, serpents and darkwraiths. Dark and the Abyss especially is unequivocally shown to be bad.

The framing of "he's just afraid and wants to keep his throne!" is incredibly disingenuous, as it ignores everything the game tells and shows you. He's for all intents and purposes trying to save the world from the abyss and from collapsing into a literal dark age that would destroy societies and kill most people, and he does so by burning himself alive to keep the flames from going out. He literally abdicated to go to the kiln for the rest of his existence and burn in agony.

I don't mean to be hostile, I've just seen that take like 1000 different times by now, some versions being so egregiously stupid ("Gwyn is a fascist chud Trump eugenicist Hitler who wants to rule forever muh natural order!!!"). It's one of the most idiotic misreadings of the first game that is parroted nonstop by people.

@Mega Black
>"reality doesn't change my fanfiction of it!"