Elden Ring

[DapperShark]

trying to convince his chat Elden Ring was the easiest souls game they have ever made

This is actually true though, without counting the DLC, ER is by far the easiest and most accessible souls game ever. You got spirit summons for every boss and difficult area, tons of extremely powerful ashes of war and magic which often just turn the combat into brainless L2 spam, you now always respawn outside the boss arena so no more cancerous run backs and the very nature of being open world means you can just go do something else if you can't deal with a boss. Invasions have also never been more stacked in favor of hosts so you won't even have your heckin' wholesome jolly cooperation disrupted too much by the bad red man (and not at all if you use seamless coop).

As a result, all the newfriends who got carried through the base game by busted things like RoB/Moonveil, BHS and the mimic tear never learned how to actually play the game and inevitably got their shit pushed in by the much more difficult DLC. If there's an upside to the DLC being so overtuned it has definitely been watching you retards piss and shit your pants as you get filtered.

 

[AntiSchwuletteAktion]

I'm not sure if Elden Ring is actually easier. Using a summon and spamming the strongest ash of wars definitely makes fights easier than beating the game old school with just rolls and melee... however, I think bosses like radahn prime are significantly harder than the hardest bosses in DS1. If you compare the strongest builds in elden ring (excluding stuff that will probably get patched like spamming scadutree thorns) to the strongest builds in DS1, I think the DS1 bosses are easier to kill.

 

[samuraicrack]

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[Lizard Machine Bugs]

That is exactly the problem, you shouldn't need to stop roleplaying a competent build to beat a boss, this is antithetical to RPG design. You should be able to beat it with any properly done build.

You can handle the vast majority of content with whatever you want and I put no thought into the build what so ever, I just kept using Bloodhound's Fang since it's a strong weapon that counters everything a Royal Revenant can do. So it's more like I actually started building properly, I think most builds and build archtypes are viable, except for pure holy damage which only has really good options in late game or NG+.
After you get a good weapon most resistances, except for total immunity, can be brute forced with more holy damage.

I'm not sure if Elden Ring is actually easier. Using a summon and spamming the strongest ash of wars definitely makes fights easier than beating the game old school with just rolls and melee... however, I think bosses like radahn prime are significantly harder than the hardest bosses in DS1. If you compare the strongest builds in elden ring (excluding stuff that will probably get patched like spamming scadutree thorns) to the strongest builds in DS1, I think the DS1 bosses are easier to kill.

The Duo fights are also much worse in some cases such as the Gargoyles and Godskins due to them not having modified AI, honestly it's pure bullshit especially when they patched in AI modifications to other duo fights, but not the hardest ones. ER also has more of a focused on locked off combat like DS2 but in this case it wants you to use it against large enemies not hoards, of course the game doesn't teach you this well, or at all.

 

[YumeNoHero]

I made a generalist build for jolly cooperation. Roughly 250 ~ 280 levels.
- 2 Milady with bleed infusion, 60~80 dex and arcane. You get decent damage and really fast bleed build up after a couple dual wielding attacks.
- Any seal of your choice depending on your faith but generally I'd recommend 38 faith for Golden Vow and Erdtree Blessing (team HP regen).
- Leda's armor for the enhanced damage after rolling. Solitude gauntlets and greaves to get decent passive poise and a head piece of your choice depending on stats needed or equip load to stay medium roll.
- Talismans: Double turtle neck. dragoncrest greatshield and either millicent's prosthetic for stat boost or winged talisman if you have enough stats. Last slot is flex depending on what you need at the moment. Normally I'll have bullgoat talisman in case an invader show up but if you are not going to fight a boss and just help the host through the area, the new FP regen talisman works wonder here between every time you use Erdtree Blessing for its great passive healing.
- Keep a smithscript throwing blade with poison infusion and scattershot ash on you in case you need some poison on the boss or pressuring invaders. Would be better if there's a way to infuse it with scarlet rot.
- Take some hefty scarlet rot pots with you, study Moore's art of Rot be Upon Ye and apply it on bosses vulnerable to rot.

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>mentally unstable women in power fuck things up even worse than it already is.
What did they mean by this?

 

[Edgy But Dull]

>mentally unstable women in power fuck things up even worse than it already is.
What did they mean by this?

They're more concerned with being in power than how things are once they're in power. The whole "better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" is apparently apt for some of these lunatics.

 

[LoTex]

I'm not sure if Elden Ring is actually easier. Using a summon and spamming the strongest ash of wars definitely makes fights easier than beating the game old school with just rolls and melee... however, I think bosses like radahn prime are significantly harder than the hardest bosses in DS1. If you compare the strongest builds in elden ring (excluding stuff that will probably get patched like spamming scadutree thorns) to the strongest builds in DS1, I think the DS1 bosses are easier to kill.

DS1 bosses are definitely easier to kill even so because bosses in the Old Souls had a far slower and telegraphed movie set tbh

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Amazing how woman cannot stand not being the center of attention for anything. It is so annoying. Elon clearly needs to unban more radical people to drive lib woman away from Twitter.

I think most builds and build archtypes are viable, except for pure holy damage which only has really good options in late game or NG+.

Fair enough although I would say certain builds and unique weapons type need a much higher level celling to be truly viable

 

[Tepes Thot]

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Souls discourse is stage 1k cancer now that it’s gotten so popular. I’m not being a hipster Gollum, but it’s attracted the “Media Literacy” cult.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

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Dark Souls: Male patriarchal leaders sacrifices themselves to an aeons of torment to make sure the good times last for their children.
Elden Ring: Female matriarchal leaders follow idiot god and engage in retarded court politics making the entire world a hellscape and killing/corrupting all their children.

 

[Edgy But Dull]

Dark Souls: Male patriarchal leaders sacrifices themselves to an aeons of torment to make sure the good times last for their children.
Elden Ring: Female matriarchal leaders follow idiot god and engage in retarded court politics making the entire world a hellscape and killing/corrupting all their children.

>banishes one of her deformed children to live in the sewers
>divorces and remarries
>the youngest child from her new marriage goes on to seduce the deformed stepbrother
>her new husband's children from a previous marriage ends up murdering her favorite son from the first marriage
This honestly reads like some retarded plotline that belongs on the Lifetime channel.

 

[Coldgrip]

...both of the Godskins and the gargoyles are fine on their own but together they're cancer.

I won't defend the gargoyles, but sleep pots, St. Trina's Sword and Doloras make that fight way more manageable. And if you do the DLC before fighting them you get even better sleep weapons and sleep pots.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

>banishes one of her deformed children to live in the sewers
>divorces and remarries
>the youngest child from her new marriage goes on to seduce the deformed stepbrother
>her new husband's children from a previous marriage ends up murdering her favorite son from the first marriage
This honestly reads like some retarded plotline that belongs on the Lifetime channel.

That's the GRRM magic, baby.
Comparing Gwyn to Marika really shows how absolutely shit the game is written. You have at least 100x times as much text on Marika yet her character makes no sense and if anything the DLC only makes her character even more convoluted, hatable and nonsensical.
Like when the GW was theorized to be a malevolent deity you could at least somewhat justify the shattering as breaking its control.

 

[Gondolindrim]

That's the GRRM magic, baby.
Comparing Gwyn to Marika really shows how absolutely shit the game is written. You have at least 100x times as much text on Marika yet her character makes no sense and if anything the DLC only makes her character even more convoluted, hatable and nonsensical.
Like when the GW was theorized to be a malevolent deity you could at least somewhat justify the shattering as breaking its control.

Marika might be crazy but she wiped out the Hornsent, and that's cool in my book.

 

[Xerxes IX]

>banishes one of her deformed children to live in the sewers
>divorces and remarries
>the youngest child from her new marriage goes on to seduce the deformed stepbrother
>her new husband's children from a previous marriage ends up murdering her favorite son from the first marriage
This honestly reads like some retarded plotline that belongs on the Lifetime channel.

Marika and Radagon being the same person means this convoluted family drama is nothing but the biggest case of Motherless and Fatherless behavior possible.

 

[AntiSchwuletteAktion]

Marika and Radagon being the same person means this convoluted family drama is nothing but the biggest case of Motherless and Fatherless behavior possible.

To me it was heavily implied that Marika's creation of Radagon and her creating children by herself instead of with a Lord is what caused her rule to be abandoned by the outer will. The Omen twins are basically just hornsent and there would've been nothing considered wrong with them if Marika didn't have an extreme personal vendetta with the hornsent, whereas her children with herself, Malenia and Miquella (and Messmer now), all have totally unique debilitating curses.

That's the GRRM magic, baby.
Comparing Gwyn to Marika really shows how absolutely shit the game is written. You have at least 100x times as much text on Marika yet her character makes no sense and if anything the DLC only makes her character even more convoluted, hatable and nonsensical.
Like when the GW was theorized to be a malevolent deity you could at least somewhat justify the shattering as breaking its control.

There's no text in-game written by GRRM. His contribution was just workshopping the characters and setting pre-shattering with Miyazaki, as far as we know. Marika is definitely not supposed to be relatable or 'in the right'. She's a capital G God, and just like in many ancient mythologies, it seems that she's ultimately fickle and doesn't pay much mind to the many mortals who suffer the consequences of her actions.

Goldmask's Mending Rune of Perfect Order sez: "The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment."

So the ultimate scholar of the Golden Order, who provides you the means to save it, has determined that the Gods are the problems and that an independent golden order free of the Gods' interventions is the path to a brighter future

 

[Lizard Machine Bugs]

Comparing Gwyn to Marika really shows how absolutely shit the game is written. You have at least 100x times as much text on Marika yet her character makes no sense and if anything the DLC only makes her character even more convoluted, hatable and nonsensical.

I thought the context provided made her make more sense, her entire village was wiped out and she was traumatized, and through discovering the golden light and the Fingers set about creating a world where no one has to die.
So then with the help of the Fingers she abandons her doubt, vacillation, love, etc like Miquella does, becomes kind of crazy. She convinces the Hornsent to help her build the Gate of Divinity so she can become a god.
She then banishes Mohg and Morgott once they're born cursed by the Hornsent.
Honestly I think the biggest point of contention is whether she had any involvement in the Night of the Black Knives, and if so why would she.

To me it was heavily implied that Marika's creation of Radagon and her creating children by herself instead of with a Lord is what caused her rule to be abandoned by the outer will. The Omen twins are basically just hornsent and there would've been nothing considered wrong with them if Marika didn't have an extreme personal vendetta with the hornsent, whereas her children with herself, Malenia and Miquella (and Messmer now), all have totally unique debilitating curses.

The Omen twins, and all Omen are cursed, and are haunted by the spirits of the Hornsent as shown on the Omensmirk mask. If they were born into Hornsent society I think they probably would be pressured into becoming tutelary deities or Curseblades. The description of Curseblade Meera's ashes and Curseblade's Cirque say as much.
Although just because they were born cursed doesn't mean they did anything wrong, the Hornsent considered the crucible sacred due to it's evolutionary gifts and were trying to master it's currents in order to reach the gods.
Something which is talked about in the description of Spira and the Fine Crucible Feathered Talisman.

 

[AntiSchwuletteAktion]

What I meant was that the only reason Omen are considered "Omen" and "cursed" is because of Marika's relationship with the hornsent.

 

[Nobunaga]

Bloodborne and it's consequences have been a disaster for the Souls series...

Nah, From making the enemies move at the speed of light while also making the player slow as shit is the problem, bloodborne and sekiro had the decent idea that if you want to have gay ass anime combos the player also needs the speed to avoid them
But i guess From is allergic to continue using good ideas

 

[Coldgrip]

What I meant was that the only reason Omen are considered "Omen" and "cursed" is because of Marika's relationship with the hornsent.

Omen also are driven mad due to the pain their horns cause, reducing them to barley sentient murder machines. Oh, and their connection to Godfrey, somehow.

 

[TragicTiming]

Omen also are driven mad due to the pain their horns cause, reducing them to barley sentient murder machines. Oh, and their connection to Godfrey, somehow.

Are Omen connected to Godfrey? I thought that the only Omen related to him were his kids Mohg and Morgott. The other thing that connects him to them are his Crucible Knights, but I don't think they were Omens, just ardent Crucible worshippers.