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To the people still having trouble with faith builds, consider instead of using a sacred or flame art infusion, try heavy / quality / keen infusion and then apply a weapon buff. There's a crazy amount of faith-scaling weapon buffs available, from flame and lightning to blood flame, poison, and holy.

I would recommend the same thing to other builds, too, tbh
 
That's the GRRM magic, baby.
Comparing Gwyn to Marika really shows how absolutely shit the game is written. You have at least 100x times as much text on Marika yet her character makes no sense and if anything the DLC only makes her character even more convoluted, hatable and nonsensical.
Like when the GW was theorized to be a malevolent deity you could at least somewhat justify the shattering as breaking its control.
Marika seems to take on a more messiahic character in comparison to Gwyn’s Zeus-like persona. Marika lost her entire village to the Hornsent. Her people were tortured and stuffed into jars to become saints for the Hornsent. Somewhere along the way she became a god, following the Two Fingers’ interpretation of the Greater Will. She removed every threat to the Golden Order and led her people to prosperity. She was even able to remove Death from the Lands Between.

Marika would never have to lose a loved one again. She would be with her family forever as immortals. Nobody would have to feel such a tragic loss because all would be reborn in the Erdtree. Then things fell apart.

Morgott and Mohg were born cursed Omens, a legacy of the Hornsent (perhaps Hoarah Loux was a descendant of them?). Godwyn’s descendants drifted farther and farther from the grace of gold, engaging in the horrific rite of grafting to gain strength. Rykard was engaging in blasphemy, Ranni refused to be a pawn of the Two Fingers, Radahn held back Fate itself. Malenia was marked by the Goddess of Rot. Miquella was cursed to be young forever. Melina could only exist as a spirit. Messmer had the Abyssal Serpent sealed within him. Marika exiled Godfrey and his warriors. She fused with Radagon. Marika could not live in peace as her family tree was thoroughly poisoned.

Then Godwyn, her perfect son, died. Yet Death was no longer part of the Elden Ring. Godwyn became a cancer, a bloated parasite corrupting Erdtree rebirth. All done on the actions of Marika’s daughter, Ranni. Marika’s golden paradise faded and she would be left presiding over a realm of eternal suffering and decay. She was trapped by fate and so did the only thing she could with her last shred of humanity. She shattered the Elden Ring.

Marika’s love, her desire to protect people, and died with her godhood. The only thing she could do was to wait for someone to become a new Elden Lord and fix the mess she made.
 
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Marika’s love, her desire to protect people, and died with her godhood. The only thing she could do was to wait for someone to become a new Elden Lord and fix the mess she made.
I am not sure that was her intentions tbh, Gideon by the end of the game seems to learn the truth and what Marika intentions were for breaking the Elden Ring. That is why he says to you that the Two Fingers have lost their purpose a long long time ago, he learns that they lost contact with the Greater Will even before the rise of Marika.

It also makes more sense why he tried to stop you becoming Elden Lord and to say that Marika desire is that there is endless struggle. Marika knowing that the Golden Order was build on a lie by the two fingers didn't wanted anyone else to revive/rebuild it, she wanted endless struggle so no one else would become Lord of a false order.
 
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I am not sure that was her intentions tbh, Gideon by the end of the game seems to learn the truth and what Marika intentions were for breaking the Elden Ring. That is why he says to you that the Two Fingers have lost their purpose a long long time ago, he learns that they lost contact with the Greater Will even before the rise of Marika.

It also makes more sense why he tried to stop you becoming Elden Lord and to say that Marika desire is that there is endless struggle. Marika knowing that the Golden Order was build on a lie by the two fingers didn't wanted anyone else to revive/rebuild it, she wanted endless struggle so no one else would become Lord of a false order.
You’re right! I forgot about Gideon’s words. Though I think Marika originally wanted to protect people. She had to divest herself of her humanity (hair brand, Minor Erdtree Incantation) in order to become a god. It is the Elden Lord that becomes her attachment to humanity.

Godfrey and Radagon were both warriors, but Radagon was the Golden Order fanatic. Radagon’s ascension to Elden Lord influenced the violent persecution of Omens and Hornsent. Radagon would also oppose any change to the Golden Order so Marika would be incapable of change.

Marika’s words to her demigod children were “be thee a lord or a god”. I think she would be fine with having a different Elden Lord or being replaced entirely as it’s clear that her rule did not bring about the peace she initially wanted.

The lack of humanity in Marika as a god also explains why Miquella’s plan is dangerous. His Elden Lord is the soul of Radahn trapped inside the corpse of Mohg. It’s a puppet. Miquella wants an age of compassion when he gave up his love in the form of Saint Trina and has no Elden Lord to tether him to humanity. Compassion would be whatever Miquella deems compassion to be.
 
Marika’s words to her demigod children were “be thee a lord or a god”. I think she would be fine with having a different Elden Lord or being replaced entirely as it’s clear that her rule did not bring about the peace she initially wanted.
I agree with you except for that, I think her act of shattering the Elden Ring was done out of spite out of a couple things: Learning the guidance of the Two Fingers were a lie, the curse affecting most of her offspring, the death of Godwyn and the failure of her new order creating a perfect world.

Although really it can go either way since we have too little information to give a conclusive motivation to her shattering the Elden Ring
 
Fire damge.
You still have faith based fire damage.
Elden ring is far more wide in term of variety than prevous souls
Strenght gives you mainly Standard and most forms of blunt damage, but now also also a whole STR scaling fire.
Dex has Standard too, but also most of slash weapons and lightning with dex scalings.
Int gives you mainly magic damage and some physical (gravity) songside access to magma sorcecries if you level some faith, easily the one with least variety from the game, despite being the game's easy mode.
Fth is mainly for incantations, and while there's holy damage, you also get access the best physical damage nd fire in cantations in the form of black flame incantations, frenzied flame, giantsflane and pest threads, a good few lighting incantations too, and you must level it anyway to gain access to the best stuff you want for an Arcane build, such as dragon communion and bleed spells.
With around mid-20s FTH, STR builds can have access to a lot of different damage types that scale with STR through Clawmark Seal. You get lightning, holy, fire, and black flame while the dragon communion incantations give you access to rot and magic damage. Of course incantations from Clawmark Seal have a B scaling in both STR and FTH but throwing out a specific spell damage type that a boss is weak to is often worth it.

It's very funny to nuke Rellana with lightning spear (17 FTH req) as a STR build because it is the only element she doesn't have a resistance to and most of the time she's standing in a puddle.
 
FTH used to be THE way of killing dragons the fastest now its not even good against them
Uh, I can kill Placidusax in like four shots of ancient dragon lightning attacks on my FTH build. It's still the best way to do this.
To the people still having trouble with faith builds, consider instead of using a sacred or flame art infusion, try heavy / quality / keen infusion and then apply a weapon buff. There's a crazy amount of faith-scaling weapon buffs available, from flame and lightning to blood flame, poison, and holy.
Faith builds get Blasphemous Blade and it will hard carry you through most of the game. I don't know why people have trouble with this build, it was by far the one I had the most fun with. You also get access to shit like Scarlet Aeonia and a plethora of lightning spells, as well as godslaying black flame, if you kit yourself appropriately you're in for a versatile but still somewhat challenging experience. It's not like an INT build where you just curbatomp the whole game but still.
 
(...) It's not like an INT build where you just curbatomp the whole game but still.
I agree that int builds have better damage-dealing tools than faith builds, but int gamers have no equivalent to golden vow, flame grant me strength, beastial vitality, barrier of gold, etc. Faith characters get a lot of exclusive utility and defense. That's why wizards have such a reputation for being glass cannons in Elden Ring, and it's kind of deserved.

t. int gamer on launch (rogier's rapier, wing of astel) who is now on a second playthrough with a faith build
 
It's the DLC area in God's forsaken Current Year for fuck's sake, why are there still hosts with less than 700HP and unable to dodge anything holy shit. I'm a competent phantom and always shield the host if needed but there's only so much I can help with their retardation.

EDIT: I was summoned to help a host with 650-ish HP that got one shotted by invader with a running L1 Pata. No amount of Heal from Afar can help them.
 
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Uh, I can kill Placidusax in like four shots of ancient dragon lightning attacks on my FTH build. It's still the best way to do this.
This also blows up Bayle. Senessax was more resistant and I had to use pest threads instead, though the main annoyance was having to move the boss out of the water so that its lightning didn't cook me.

I totally agree with you regarding the Blasphemous Blade. It's so powerful that it works against fire resistant bosses, too. The self heal is what carries you, like how it did when I fought Midra. However, I did get bored of using one weapon and used a Sacred Blade Claymore against Putrescent Knight because I wanted to LARP as Link for a bit. The Black Steel Greathammer that scales with faith is pretty fun too, though I whiffed Lion's Claw a few times on Mesmer because he can move really fast. BB was by far the most dependable weapon for all encounters.
 
Reddit once again thought policing because too many people are critiquing the story. This time about Godwyn.
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Me personally, I think the fact that a staggering number of people are saying the same thing is pretty clear evidence that it's not a fringe group of autists hanging onto headcanon.
 
Reddit once again thought policing because too many people are critiquing the story. This time about Godwyn.
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Me personally, I think the fact that a staggering number of people are saying the same thing is pretty clear evidence that it's not a fringe group of autists hanging onto headcanon.

Nah, I kinda agree with this one, Godwyn just coming back kinda cheapens the fact that his death is what kicked the whole shitshow off.
 
Reddit once again thought policing because too many people are critiquing the story. This time about Godwyn.
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Me personally, I think the fact that a staggering number of people are saying the same thing is pretty clear evidence that it's not a fringe group of autists hanging onto headcanon.
Well it was stated in base game eclipse could revive soulless demigods.
And only soulless demigod relevant to story is Godwyn.
And it was heavily implied /stated (can't remember right now if there was something that confirmed it 100%) that one of Miquellas projects was attempt to resurrect Godwyn.
Imo revival of Godwyn is not any more ridiculous than Radahn soul in Mohg body .
But as many other plotlines in fromsoft games this one is going nowhere so it is waste of time to argue and speculate about it.
 
I think the fact that a staggering number of people are saying the same thing is pretty clear evidence that it's not a fringe group of autists hanging onto headcanon.
A staggering number of people get nearly everything wrong about any of these games. That's not a clear evidence of anything but there being way too many retards.
 
Marika seems to take on a more messiahic character in comparison to Gwyn’s Zeus-like persona. Marika lost her entire village to the Hornsent. Her people were tortured and stuffed into jars to become saints for the Hornsent. Somewhere along the way she became a god, following the Two Fingers’ interpretation of the Greater Will. She removed every threat to the Golden Order and led her people to prosperity. She was even able to remove Death from the Lands Between.

Marika would never have to lose a loved one again. She would be with her family forever as immortals. Nobody would have to feel such a tragic loss because all would be reborn in the Erdtree. Then things fell apart.

Morgott and Mohg were born cursed Omens, a legacy of the Hornsent (perhaps Hoarah Loux was a descendant of them?). Godwyn’s descendants drifted farther and farther from the grace of gold, engaging in the horrific rite of grafting to gain strength. Rykard was engaging in blasphemy, Ranni refused to be a pawn of the Two Fingers, Radahn held back Fate itself. Malenia was marked by the Goddess of Rot. Miquella was cursed to be young forever. Melina could only exist as a spirit. Messmer had the Abyssal Serpent sealed within him. Marika exiled Godfrey and his warriors. She fused with Radagon. Marika could not live in peace as her family tree was thoroughly poisoned.

Then Godwyn, her perfect son, died. Yet Death was no longer part of the Elden Ring. Godwyn became a cancer, a bloated parasite corrupting Erdtree rebirth. All done on the actions of Marika’s daughter, Ranni. Marika’s golden paradise faded and she would be left presiding over a realm of eternal suffering and decay. She was trapped by fate and so did the only thing she could with her last shred of humanity. She shattered the Elden Ring.

Marika’s love, her desire to protect people, and died with her godhood. The only thing she could do was to wait for someone to become a new Elden Lord and fix the mess she made.
This has multiple problems:
* Just banning death is weird and badly explained, there is a ton of graves in the game and there is some idea of being absorbed into the trees but what that entails and how it is different than general reincarnation is not told.
* The curses themselves are random as shit and have no connection Marika's actions beyond the Omen curse which itself seemed beforehand to be random mutation.
* The whole mess with Marika having a hand in Godwyn's death also goes against it.
* "I don't want my loved ones to die" is just retarded, and her exiling a good chunk of her offsprings seems to run counter to that.
 
Well it was stated in base game eclipse could revive soulless demigods.
And only soulless demigod relevant to story is Godwyn.
And it was heavily implied /stated (can't remember right now if there was something that confirmed it 100%) that one of Miquellas projects was attempt to resurrect Godwyn.
Imo revival of Godwyn is not any more ridiculous than Radahn soul in Mohg body .
But as many other plotlines in fromsoft games this one is going nowhere so it is waste of time to argue and speculate about it.
I don't think it was ever confirmed, the description of Golden Epitah has a prayer from Miquella for Godwyn's true death, which is synonamys with returning to the Erdtree after death
But I prefer Godwyn staying dead, even if his body is alive I don't want Godwyn himself to come back, but I also wanted to learn more about the Sun Realm, Eclipse, and their relation to the Outer God of the Death Birds.
The headless mausoleum knights wear armor referencing the death birds, their sigil of the eclipsed sun is similar to the Rune of the Death-Prince, and there's the Sun Realm shield which references the Sun Realm, or seat of the sun which is now faded away. Not to mention the Berserk and Dark Souls parallels and the lack of connection between Radahn and Miquella in the base game, it definitely feels like it was a relatively late addition to the story done by Miyazaki.
Even in the DLC there's that unused Miquella ending dialogue about his age of compassion, there's that cut cutscene for Saint Trina, and the Scadutree chalice not doing anything.
Troubled development isn't anything new to Fromsoft games, but for my own opinion I think there were two big rewrites, one earlier which added Radahn in place of Godwyn, and another later one which is where this cut content comes from, that has more of a focus on Saint Trina and Miquella's age of compassion speech.
 
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Reddit once again thought policing because too many people are critiquing the story. This time about Godwyn.
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Me personally, I think the fact that a staggering number of people are saying the same thing is pretty clear evidence that it's not a fringe group of autists hanging onto headcanon.
It's everywhere on YouTube comments and likely Twitter as well. Who gives a fuck if Godwyn is TRULY dead? Look at how many bosses can come back to life with the power of cutscenes and how he is in a state of a cursed undeath. It really is hard to find more sincere discussions about the status of the souls series without feeling like you're walking in a minefield with autists ready to screech at you for daring to say the lore is not that deep or is flawed in execution if there even is any at all that's not "Zanzibart... forgive me." Which is literally Midra I just fought him.
 
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