Zonga
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I am nearly certain that he's simply naive.
Eliezer Schlomo Yudkowsky / LessWrong
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ghjoigcbn
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Members of the rationalist community are posting public dating profiles and they are glorious. I dont have time to archive and post them right now but perhaps someone else can dig in there.
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Shockingly 100% dudes, most of whom will suck a dick to momentarily stave of their loneliness.Members of the rationalist community are posting public dating profiles and they are glorious. I dont have time to archive and post them right now but perhaps someone else can dig in there.
ghjoigcbn
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Shit was working on a post summarizing a few but somehow my phone refreshed and it was deleted and I dont have time to remake the whole post.
I archived a few of my favorites.
Please enjoy, and ladies let us know which one you would choose.
I archived a few of my favorites.
Please enjoy, and ladies let us know which one you would choose.
Zonga
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What we're seeing here is the Autistic response to late-stage anomie.
No one is clearly explaining what the rules are, so people everywhere are making up their own.
Some are more cringe than others.
ghjoigcbn
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This bit, on the subject of children by mati really stuck out to me. Mati has a bounty on successfully becoming a parents with one or more partners.
Not saying this guy isnt intelligent in terms of IQ, but it takes a special kind of intelligence to be this stupid.
This raises the questions, who are "the most valuable people" that hes referring to and how does he expect to secure their genetic material? Sperm banks are notorious for overselling the genetic stock of their donors. The unfortunate woman he got pregnant probably thought she was buying genius level sperm.
Not saying this guy isnt intelligent in terms of IQ, but it takes a special kind of intelligence to be this stupid.
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I personally had to go with Wes, who thoughtfully included his own warning labels: he’s fat, he’s an abuse victim, and he’s weird.
I Am Fat: I used to be fatter. At one point, I lost almost 100 pounds, though I’ve gained about 50 of it back (I’m at about 230 now). I'm working on body-positivity in general and being ok with the fact that many people would consider me overweight. I'm very supportive of the fat acceptance and health-at-any-size movements. If you're interested, I've blogged about what it was like for me. I currently focus on staying fit and healthy, regardless of my size, which means I eat pretty well and exercise regularly. But if it’s important to you that your partners are thin, we are not a good match.
I Am an Abuse Victim: Specifically, I am the victim of a false claim of sexual misconduct from 2013 and a harassment campaign since then. Click here if you want to know the story. Basically, three of my wife’s abusive exes teamed up to try to ruin my reputation and largely succeeded. If you’re the type of person who thinks that false claims don’t happen, thinks that it’s immoral to acknowledge that an alleged victim might be lying, or doesn’t want to be associated with someone who’s been accused of that kind of thing, we are not a good match.
I Am Weird: I know I said this before, but I want to reiterate. I have autism spectrum disorder and ADD. I’m highly logical. I take everything literally. I have idiosyncratic views on honesty. I’m not good at remembering names or making eye contact. I have trouble focusing. I find a lot of social dynamics confusing and will sometimes embarrass myself because of it. If that sounds awful to you, we are not a good match.
Mati’s genetic material shit was weird. It sounds like the human equivalent of breeding your favorite dog. Like, “Jeff’s a great guy, why don’t you see what a child with him would be like?” Truly the most autistic approach.
Warning Labels
I am not for everyone! I’m more of an acquired taste. Here are a few things that some people might not like about me. If that’s you, no hard feelings.I Am Fat: I used to be fatter. At one point, I lost almost 100 pounds, though I’ve gained about 50 of it back (I’m at about 230 now). I'm working on body-positivity in general and being ok with the fact that many people would consider me overweight. I'm very supportive of the fat acceptance and health-at-any-size movements. If you're interested, I've blogged about what it was like for me. I currently focus on staying fit and healthy, regardless of my size, which means I eat pretty well and exercise regularly. But if it’s important to you that your partners are thin, we are not a good match.
I Am an Abuse Victim: Specifically, I am the victim of a false claim of sexual misconduct from 2013 and a harassment campaign since then. Click here if you want to know the story. Basically, three of my wife’s abusive exes teamed up to try to ruin my reputation and largely succeeded. If you’re the type of person who thinks that false claims don’t happen, thinks that it’s immoral to acknowledge that an alleged victim might be lying, or doesn’t want to be associated with someone who’s been accused of that kind of thing, we are not a good match.
I Am Weird: I know I said this before, but I want to reiterate. I have autism spectrum disorder and ADD. I’m highly logical. I take everything literally. I have idiosyncratic views on honesty. I’m not good at remembering names or making eye contact. I have trouble focusing. I find a lot of social dynamics confusing and will sometimes embarrass myself because of it. If that sounds awful to you, we are not a good match.
Mati’s genetic material shit was weird. It sounds like the human equivalent of breeding your favorite dog. Like, “Jeff’s a great guy, why don’t you see what a child with him would be like?” Truly the most autistic approach.
ghjoigcbn
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They are extremely high openness and usually very low conscientious.Yeah I can confirm all of those, and add a couple more. Magic: The Gathering, swing / lindy hop / blues / "fusion" dancing, tabletop gaming, vegetarian / vegan / animal rights activism, unschooling, BDSM, psychedelic drug enthusiasts, catholicism, intentional communities, seasteading, "authentic relating", and probably more that I'm just blanking on right now. The fundamental issue is that the "community" is, roughly speaking, a loose association of 95th percentile Trait Openness individuals. Combine that with the rampant ADHD and there's basically nobody going "you know, maybe we shouldn't get involved with that, shit's weird".
The publicly-listed events and groups largely function as a combination of containment zone and purgatory for the non-functional tranche of the movement, though, so apparently things get significantly better in the more exclusive and private areas. But yeah, the scene isn't really all that worthwhile in and of itself.
Anyhow, happenings:
Masked Camp Meeker suspects combative, incoherent, deputies say
The suspects have been physically combative with law enforcement and have been speaking in an incoherent language since they were detained, a sheriff’s official said.www.pressdemocrat.com
tl;dr - five batshit insane people show up to aggressively protest a CFAR event in black robes and Guy Fawkes masks, SWAT gets called, they get arrested as they continue to act batshit insane, refuse to identify themselves to police, and
The more I delve into this community the more cowish and cult like it seems.
Many of the them are obsessed with the singularity, life extension, and cryonics ( quackery). They believe its inevitable that consciousness will be uploaded into a simulated virtual world. Some of them are obsessed wirh documenting their lives digitally believing it will create a more high fidelity version of themselves. Their religion is " long-termism". Funnily ebough they seem for the most part unconcerned with any threats facing them *today*.
They also engage in all kinds of degenerate life ruining behavior.
The best part about this is that each of them believes they are extraordinarily intelligent and have arrived at the most enlightened positions through pure rationalism. If you make fun of them they just think you are stupid.
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The big hole in their philosophy is the prospect of mind uploading coming too late.
Like, ok, let's say it's inevitable, it could easily not come for, say, 200 years, and by then they'll be dead. Do they have any plan for this?
(It almost certainly isn't possible to begin with, and 200 years is a laughably low number, but for the sake of argument...)
Zonga
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There are ways it could work. More than likely none of these ways will look like how they imagine it.
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Mind uploading is just making a copy of you. It isn't actually you. So if you die, and a copy of you comes into existence when you die, it still isn't you, just a simulacrum. You're dead.
Proof, this thought experiment. Suppose they were uploading you because you were supposed to die, and the copy of you came into existence, you failed to die, so now you're still there as well as your uploaded mind.
Are both of them "you?" No, you're the guy in the body still, that software thing is a copy. In fact, you could make a limitless number of these copies. I'm sure the copy of me that would exist if this bullshit worked would be glad and owe its existence to me, but as for me, I'm gone. There's no benefit to me out of this, which makes me wonder why these autists consider it such a good thing.
ghjoigcbn
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Maybe this is why there seems to be an overlap with an interest in cryonics. Usually with cryonics they only preserve the brain so they are hoping they would be able to wake you up somehow or reconstitute a digital consciousness from what's left of your brain and records. I dont know why someone 50 to 500 years from now would want to do this, even if it was possible. Not sure how they plan to solve that.
I was perusing Mati's website and it seems that some proponents of cryonics plan to use assisted suicide at the end of life for the freshest brain possible. Its quite a rabbit hole.
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This also assumes that what comes out of that process would still meaningfully be you. We don't know what consciousness even is, let alone what defines it's continuity (if that isn't just a illusion). The idea that a brain in a jar is still meaningfully you, absent all the input from your body, is not at all clear right now. Maybe your memories survive, but the emotional being that you are also involves your entire endocrine system, and your nervous system. Belief that such a thing is possible isn't unlike belief in a soul.
Zonga
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So, this gets pretty weird, pretty fast.
The best way to handle something like uploading is:
1. Implant some sort of digital cybernetic thingy that gives you new capabilities.
2. Let your self-image evolve to incorporate the cyborg bits.
3. Add new cyborg bits.
4. Repeat
5. Let the fleshy bits die
6. Notice that you basically feel fine
7. Lots of soul-searching, probably with blinking lights and hard drive grinding noises.
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They're narcissists who believe that the preservation of their "superior" intelligence in perpetuity has more value than...
Pick one or all:
1. Their immortal soul.
2. Living a full life as a human being.
3. Everyone else.
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You've still had a continuous existence this whole time. So yes, the Ship of Theseus is the "same" ship even if you gradually replace every part.
Zonga
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Yep, but once the squishy bits are gone, you can ditch the "continuous existence" in some troubling ways.
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I certainly find it preferable to the quasi-religious concept of uploading, especially assuming it is a good thing. Also I'd rather lose part of myself than all of myself.
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ghjoigcbn
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BTW Scott Alexander got married.
Have we discussed how most of the main players in this little milleiu are Jewish, as are many of the members. Wonder if theres a connection, besides that Jews tend to be militant atheists for some reason.
Have we discussed how most of the main players in this little milleiu are Jewish, as are many of the members. Wonder if theres a connection, besides that Jews tend to be militant atheists for some reason.