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Maurice Maine said:
Schlomo's finks and the other cocksuckers got hit hard when Elon managed to worm himself in with Trump... I'll be straight: I didn't believe Elon's xAI would amount to much but after everything that's happened he's my favorite. He might just run Altman and Amodei out of business with an emphasis on Altman. The 'AI safety' crowd? Fast becoming history. It's gonna be a new age, fellas.
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Except: The EU AI Act
And it actually being taken seriously.
That cucksucker Altman already struck a chord with his fearmongering in the EU. Only time will tell how effective regulation will actually be. Seems to me that it will only lead to massive piracy.
 
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AnOminous said:
So it's literally impossible to care about both, care about neither, or care about just one?
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Yes.
In one case, the government that was supposed to protect its citizens imported rapists and then turned the other way when they systematically raped the most vulnerable members of society for years. People want those who allowed this to happen or participated in it to be punished, in part so this isn't allowed to happen again.

In the other case, people are starving despite years of worldwide attention and aid money, in part due to their own mismanagement and corruption. (And we are supposed to continue sending out money, not punish those corrupt actors. )

But they are literally the same situation because they both involve people suffering and all human suffering is equal. I cant want rapists and their enablers in jail unless I also send more money to Africans. He’s gone full blown retard.
 
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ghjoigcbn said:
Can anyone give a lore drop/ backstory about Ziz for those who havent followed it? I don’t remember him being mentioned in the thread before.
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He has come up in the thread before but this is a pretty good summary of what has to be the craziest internet drama I've ever come across. The author does soft-shoe around just how deranged Ziz is and I found that a little annoying, but it's still quite informative.

 
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Shockingly :tomgirl:, Aella has information on the Zizians.
aella vs ziz.png
(google drive link, 112 mb zipped)
 
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TheMonkeyMan said:
He has come up in the thread before but this is a pretty good summary of what has to be the craziest internet drama I've ever come across. The author does soft-shoe around just how deranged Ziz is and I found that a little annoying, but it's still quite informative.

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I also came across this piece of autism. https://zizians.info/
While this Ziz is doubtlessly psychotic, all the info on them seems to come from other Rationalists carefully dancing around the accusations against their own predatory crazies (MIRI, Yud, etc), so it's funny to see two cults bitching about each other about not culting right.
 
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4.5 hour stream about the Zizians:
edit: skip ahead to about 41 minutes to get on topic, unless you want to hear about furry techno and an unrelated startup.
0:00 disclaimer/preamble
9:36 DJ career
17:47 Startup exoloom.io
41:36 intro to Zizianism - Effective Altruism
45:57 Who is Ziz?
59:40 The protest against CFAR, MIRI, and Yud
1:16:19 Zizians.info start - Never give up, never surrender
1:34:34 Hemisphere theory
1:40:03 Unihemispheric sleep theory
1:46:42 Jeremy Bentham and Utilitarianism influences
1:49:58 AI as an existential threat
1:51:39 Roko's basillisk and vegan Nuremburg
2:01:12 Definition of a cult and Zizians as an organization
2:06:51 More on unihemispheric sleep
2:18:23 Maia's death / Good Group and Pasek's Doom
2:33:00 Zizian arguments
2:38:53 Ziz cutting off support networks
2:47:46 Jargon
2:49:53 trans people being vulnerable to cults
2:54:21 Goose-style aggression and Ken's childhood
2:58:27 flak for being Zizian
2:59:49 The landlord incident and Emma's death
3:11:03 Ziz faking death, skipping bail, showing at scene of crime?
3:17:14 Aside on Pennsylvania murders
3:20:10 Landlord's recent murder
3:25:36 More on Pennsylvania murders
3:35:08 cultists vs extremists
3:52:14 the border patrol shootout
4:02:08 the audere connection
4:08:39 wrapup / how to approach zizians
 
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I’ve come across slimepriestess before, who uses “it/its” pronouns and identifies as “not a person”. Can’t say I’ve seen that before. It was defending Ziz the last time I checked.

The podcast Blocked and Reported (featuring trans bogeyman Jesse Singal) was planning an episode about Ziz a while back but decided not to after their researcher talked to someone who had been in Ziz’ orbit and who was afraid that Ziz might hurt them if the episode came out.
 
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TheMonkeyMan said:
I’ve come across slimepriestess before, who uses “it/its” pronouns and identifies as “not a person”. Can’t say I’ve seen that before. It was defending Ziz the last time I checked.

The podcast Blocked and Reported (featuring trans bogeyman Jesse Singal) was planning an episode about Ziz a while back but decided not to after their researcher talked to someone who had been in Ziz’ orbit and who was afraid that Ziz might hurt them if the episode came out.
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This whole murderous Rationalist Troon cult that's racking up a body count and is still mostly on the street is remarkably undercovered by the Farms. Is anyone working on a thread for this Ziz and the Zizians?
 
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