Elliot Page / Ellen Page - Former actress, starred in Juno. Turned into a pooner and divorced her wife because being a lesbian was not boosting her career anymore. Receives a daily dose of asspatting from Hollywood. Likes to show off her "male" body using fake abdominals.

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i agree that physically, unless she has been shooting lots of T, then she can back out now with the only real physical effect being the loss of her tits. but mentally i think she might be too deep in the hole to back out.

she has already publicly gone with mastectomy, fake abs,photo shoots, and done everything she can to publicly state she is a trans man now. then there is all the attention she has gotten for doing so. behind the scenes she might have handlers encouraging her to do all this stuff too. she might be way too sunken cost into the trans stuff for her to mentally ever back out, and this assuming she can even see that clearly to want to back out.

with her mental issues and publicly being the face of the FtM in Hollywood, i think she is too far in the rabbit hole to even see this as a problem. i think she might be a true believer in the cult.
I really don't think she is a true believer. Her forced smiles show that she regrets having transitioned in the first place but can't detrans probably due to social pressure. Ellen doing the 41% is inevitable at this point.
 
i agree that physically, unless she has been shooting lots of T, then she can back out now with the only real physical effect being the loss of her tits. but mentally i think she might be too deep in the hole to back out.

she has already publicly gone with mastectomy, fake abs,photo shoots, and done everything she can to publicly state she is a trans man now. then there is all the attention she has gotten for doing so. behind the scenes she might have handlers encouraging her to do all this stuff too. she might be way too sunken cost into the trans stuff for her to mentally ever back out, and this assuming she can even see that clearly to want to back out.

with her mental issues and publicly being the face of the FtM in Hollywood, i think she is too far in the rabbit hole to even see this as a problem. i think she might be a true believer in the cult.
Rate me :optimistic: but I think she set up a way out for herself by identifying as "transmasc nonbinary" and not ftm. She can do the he/they->they/them->she/they->she/her gradual detransition that so many mid 2010s poons have pulled in the past couple years (see Nady Stewart, Grayson's Projects, Demi Lovato). You'll see her appearance get gradually more androgynous until she's back to her old self, just titless and with shittier skin.

I know the general consensus seems to be that she's trooning because she was gigamolested but I disagree. I think this is a desperate attempt to escape the reality of being a post-wall woman in hollywood. She even admits in her book, she was fine with being a pretty girl, but couldn't cope with the idea of aging as a woman. Most of her performances have been mid to slightly above average and I think she coasted on her petite tomboy look for a long time. Specially because it let her play younger characters, like in Hard Candy. She drank the transition is magic koolaid and thought it would give her another shot at youth. She's not trying to be a big strong man, she's trying to skinwalk Timothee Chalamet.

And somehow, this has become a socially acceptable way to deal with a midlife crisis. Look at all the shit women like Megan Fox or Erin Moriarty get for stuffing their faces with fillers and botox. Nobody will hesitate to tell them that whatever the fuck they're doing looks worse than natural aging. Yet Ellen will post a pic of her equally fucked face and shitty silicone abs and you'll have retards in her comments acting like she's a Chad.
 
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She has already publicly gone with mastectomy, fake abs,photo shoots, and done everything she can to publicly state she is a trans man now. then there is all the attention she has gotten for doing so. behind the scenes she might have handlers encouraging her to do all this stuff too. she might be way too sunken cost into the trans stuff for her to mentally ever back out, and this assuming she can even see that clearly to want to back out.

with her mental issues and publicly being the face of the FtM in Hollywood, i think she is too far in the rabbit hole to even see this as a problem. i think she might be a true believer in the cult.

I’m more inclined to believe she has handlers.
She clearly doesn’t want to be like this and there. The moment she became a poster child, she was doomed from the start. If she could, I say retire and live off of royalties if she has any. Do whatever she needs to save face— tours, talks. Etc.
But like you said, it just isn’t realistic w how deep she’s in it. She seems like a nice person. It makes me such a bleeding heart to see someone go through this shit needlessly. I can’t help the wishful thinking.

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I couldn’t properly reply to your post, so I went w the next best thing.
I know the general consensus seems to be that she's trooning because she was gigamolested but I disagree. I think this is a desperate attempt to escape the reality of being a post-wall woman in hollywood. She even admits in her book, she was fine with being a pretty girl, but couldn't cope with the idea of aging as a woman.

Not just this, but Hollywood literally wouldn’t let her also be a masculine woman next to the slew of problems she already had. I really think dude couldn’t handle the shit she already got for not being a lipstick lesbian. She clearly blames that shit for all her problems and went w the best next things.
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Rate me :optimistic: but I think she set up a way out for herself by identifying as "transmasc nonbinary" and not ftm. She can do the he/they->they/them->she/they->she/her gradual detransition that so many mid 2010s poons have pulled in the past couple years (see Nady Stewart, Grayson's Projects, Demi Lovato). You'll see her appearance get gradually more androgynous until she's back to her old self, just titless and with shittier skin.

i think this is possible. but like with nady, i dont think it was a long term plan. i dont see nady being able to plan that out, more just that is the trending thing, where she wants to be trans mostly for attention, but also enjoys the feminine side of sex. (if that makes any sense) notice with nady's porn, she is very much trying to be feminine in it(or as close as she can get) and she seems to enjoy that. she also said she yeeted her tits because she likes teh aesthetic of it.

im betting that is what is really meant by "transmasc nonbinary" with these women more than them giving themselves an out.
but i can totally see that gradual change, as you said nady is currently going that route, and if ellen can break free of her handler's conditioning she might go that route too.

I really don't think she is a true believer.

I’m more inclined to believe she has handlers.
She clearly doesn’t want to be like this and there. The moment she became a poster child, she was doomed from the start. If she could, I say retire and live off of royalties if she has any. Do whatever she needs to save face— tours, talks. Etc.

okay i guess im inclined to agree that she isnt a true believer. maybe i spoke a bit too hastily. i should say i think she is a mentally ill woman who bought into the talk about her problems stem from gender dysphoria and the solution is to transition. i think that, at least at one point, she honestly was a true beleiver in that her problems could be cured via transitioning. not sure how much she truly believes that today though.

If she doesn't unalive herself before, she will soon be able to ride the inevitable wave of detransitioning and become one of the new faces of "victim by the society".

the wave of trannies who will jump on the detransistion band wagon as the new attention seeking outlet is going to be very annoying. you know that is coming once the pendulum swings far enough away form the tranny cult. (and it is going to be very frustrating seeing the very same people pushing this stuff today pretending like they weren't the ones pushing it. or the claims that there was literally no way to know this stuff was bad, not a single person was against it.) at least the results will be less destructive than the tranny cult stuff.

i have to agree with you, she is in the prime spot to be the Hollywood detransitioner. whehter or not she will actually do it though, im unsure.
 
I don't want to see anyone suffer and mutilate themselves like this, but I have to contest "she seemed like a nice person." Imo Ellen has behaved like an obnoxious 2012 Tumblr social justice asshole a lot longer than she's been a full on troon. The most obvious example being her calling attention to Chris Pratt being a Christian who goes to a ~problematic~ church and essentially trying to get him fired. Since he's way more of a money maker (and seems generally way more well liked), that got shut down fast, but she has no problem trying to publicly ruin people.
 
The most obvious example being her calling attention to Chris Pratt being a Christian who goes to a ~problematic~ church and essentially trying to get him fired. Since he's way more of a money maker (and seems generally way more well liked), that got shut down fast, but she has no problem trying to publicly ruin people.
I’m mean fuck Chris Pratt, he’s obnoxious in general, but i get your point. I had a passive focus on her, so that’s on me for making assumptions. Considering the keyboard warrior habit, we should’ve expected her to troon out. Or if she wasn’t gay, become a “one-man lesbian”.
 
I’m mean fuck Chris Pratt, he’s obnoxious in general, but i get your point. I had a passive focus on her, so that’s on me for making assumptions. Considering the keyboard warrior habit, we should’ve expected her to troon out. Or if she wasn’t gay, become a “one-man lesbian”.
Chris Pratt is another one of those celebrities whose brand is "your snarky and cool best friend". And I fucking hate "your bestie" as a celebrity brand. That said, though, the fuck kind of crusader that she thought she was to start picking on Chris Pratt out of virtually nowhere like that? I'm sure she thought she was doing something.

To the thread: I would also like to call attention to her "connect the dots" speech about Jussie Smollett. There's a part of me that theorizes that she went troon so she had a shield to avoid being called out for it. And whatever the fuck was going on in Umbrella Academy.
 
I really don't think she is a true believer. Her forced smiles show that she regrets having transitioned in the first place but can't detrans probably due to social pressure. Ellen doing the 41% is inevitable at this point.
I disagree, I think she's completely 100% a true believer. She'll blame society on every problem she'll have, she'll say that she's the happiest she's ever been but at the same time she'll keep being depressed because muh transphobia, she'll never admit that mutilating herself was the worst decision she took in her life.

This is clearly a woman with deep insecurities, who has probably internalised homophobia, with clear psychological issues, who's incapable of facing and confronting them like any grown, mature person should. Chopping your tits off and blaming the world is much easier than accepting you're the one who's fucked up in every possible manner.
 
with her mental issues and publicly being the face of the FtM in Hollywood, i think she is too far in the rabbit hole to even see this as a problem. i think she might be a true believer in the cult.
I think she might be a raging covert narcissist. And a borderliner. She regularly retcons parts of her life and shifts her identity/narrative/"hook" constantly to maximize media attention & asspats. She's in end-stage cowdom like Tess Holliday now - trying everything she can but never figuring out why nothing works. Rearranging deck chairs like a New England wedding planner as her audience dwindles to a handful of fat, drunk Farmers.
 
Here’s the biggest irony about that statement:
She had more jobs as a woman.
Transitioning gave her a way to control her career. Before, she maybe wasn't sure why she wasn't getting jobs, but now she knows it's because of transphobia. Easy way of saving face. It's not that conscious, but she's just pre-rejecting a world that already seemed like it was going to reject her.
 
Greasewalker sighting from a few days ago in new york
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Ya know maybe the only reason she has not yet hung herself is that each time she puts the noose round her neck and tightens it, her slimy wax model head just slips right the fuck out of it like sillyputty
41% arc coming soon. I can feel it. I predict before the second half of this year.
 
To the thread: I would also like to call attention to her "connect the dots" speech about Jussie Smollett. There's a part of me that theorizes that she went troon so she had a shield to avoid being called out for it. And whatever the fuck was going on in Umbrella Academy.
I went looking and couldn't find what exact speech you mentioned. The best I found was The Late Show interview.
Either way, considering everyone was beating on Smollett and didn't take his bs. She was never going to go down for that shit. We all side-eyed his ass when he started on his 'maga country' shit in the middle of a liberal city. And for some odd reason decided to pin it on a pair of africans.

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I know Africans have a superiority complex when it comes to black americans, but this is fucking ridiculous.

But I digress.

According to Ellen's Wikipedia, she was getting 3-4 roles a year until the pandemic happened. I personally think she burnt herself out, but she could've also been unable to deal with her problems on top of it. She likely hit a wall during the pandemic when she couldn't keep distracting herself w everything under the sun.

In a RollingStone interview, she did pin her decision to troon out on the pandemic.

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I really think the poor chic just couldn't deal with being perceived or forced to be feminine. I remember as a kid being a tomboy. And even when I was a teen/young adult, ppl just couldn't let you exist in anything form-fitting. I didn't even want them to so much as look at me because of how creepy they could get.

I also wouldn't put it past her having to deal with the constant comments, poking, and prodding over her not being "feminine" enough for Hollywood. These directors, producers, and agents lose their shit if you're not immediately fuckable. Like gay or not, dudes still want an allusion that a tiny, dainty lesbian will maybe touch their rancid dicks in their dreams.
 

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I think this is a desperate attempt to escape the reality of being a post-wall woman in hollywood. She even admits in her book, she was fine with being a pretty girl, but couldn't cope with the idea of aging as a woman. Most of her performances have been mid to slightly above average and I think she coasted on her petite tomboy look for a long time. Specially because it let her play younger characters, like in Hard Candy.
I don't get the whole "she was too ugly/old to get work" excuse, you got actresses like Krys Marshall who are total uggos and she still gets parts, and BTW that actress is younger than her while actually looking older. Ellen could've easily moved into other types of characters like 'middle age tough cop lady' or playing a female politician or a teacher or whatever, she didn't have to be the teen girl/tomboy character forever.

Also lets be honest for once, she was never hot, alright? lots of millennial nerds got a thing for her because of Juno but even in that movie she looked just average. Even at what most consider her prime which is playing Kitty Pryde in X-men she was just cute, but not hot.
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That was as good as she got looks-wise, she was around 20. Again she was not even close to the hottest young actresses of the 2000s, even Lindsay Lohan was hotter. So she being scared of aging sounds kind of ridiculous since she was never only valued for her looks like say Megan Fox, she could've moved on into doing those other kinds of characters..........except maybe she always wanted to be the "IT girl" all the boys want? consider how many trannies are failed men that couldn't attract women and many pooners are girls who weren't hot enough to be popular, maybe Ellen thought that since she couldn't be the hot girl she could be the hot guy?
i think she might be a true believer in the cult.
Given that Ellen went all-in into the SJW-now-woke "ideology" even earlier than most other millennials did its no surprise she then moved on into gender politics. In those spaces there's a never ending competition to see who is the wokest and comes up with the wokest new shit to talk about. Its like keeping up with the joneses but of retarded social ideas.

I don't think there were any handlers, I think she fully embraces the gender ideology and decided to poon-out on her own.
She's getting that pink hue already...
That's why all these troons are perfectly fine looking the way they are
Yeah no they all look like ghouls.
Ellen probably fantasized that with cash, surgery, and hormones, she'd troonsform into a mini Brad Pitt or at least a Justin Beiber
The irony is that Beiber would've it much easier going MtF than Ellen did going FtM, specially when he was young and already looked like a girl.
The biggest shame of it all is that she’ll never be remembered as who she was.
Nah she will, much like all boomers know the girl from The Carpenters who died young millennials will remember Ellen and it might as well be as if she also died young since they wont remember anything about her after she decided to poon-out.
She clearly doesn’t want to be like this and there.
Most trannies/pooners don't, it used to be psychologist wouldn't let their patients transition because once they did most killed themselves because of the results. That's because trannies think they'll be a beatiful supermodel and not a ghoul in drag, and pooners think they'll be early 90's Brad Pitt and not a skinnyfat manlet with a receding hairline. So went they go ahead with the procedure and end like that sooner or later they commit sudoku.

Too bad the gay lobby forced psychologists to play along "or else".
i have to agree with you, she is in the prime spot to be the Hollywood detransitioner
Nah that boat sailed long ago, she went almost all the way and is only missing the rotdog. She got the zippertits, the implants, and the shitty skin. Those characters I mentioned above? gone, she's too androgynous and weird looking for those, not a woman and not a man either.
Like gay or not, dudes still want an allusion that a tiny, dainty lesbian will maybe touch their rancid dicks in their dreams.
No I don't dream about some tiny ugly bulldyke getting anywhere near me let alone my penis and neither do 99.99% of dudes.

Literally #shitradfemsbelieve...
 
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That was as good as she got looks-wise, she was around 20. Again she was not even close to the hottest young actresses of the 2000s, even Lindsay Lohan was hotter. So she being scared of aging sounds kind of ridiculous since she was never only valued for her looks like say Megan Fox
A man with ten dollars left to his name is more scared to lose it than a millionaire is to lose ten thousand dollars.
 
I don't think it's worth overthinking why she troonsitioned, as though there's a coherent and consistent reason for it. Women are frequently miserable for any reason and no reason, and unable to articulate what they want. Her feminine neuroticism, look-at-me-no-don't-look attitude, terrified adoration of men, etc, she was just miserable and crazy, and "maybe become a dude!" held itself out as a way to not be miserable, and it's not working, obviously.
 
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