Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

[John Titor]

I'm now curious if people from his past incidents (like the coffee splashing ones) will come forth and confirm them.

 

[Cwckifan]

It's both. That's the whole point. My boyfriend went to a private all-boys school and he's not a psychopath either. What I get from the whinefesto is how many times he was passed from person to person to school to school etc. Incidents of complete lack of supervision where it should have been etc. If they had given him what he needed it wouldn't have meant hugging him every five seconds. There's a reason that your parents get mad when you climb the tree and fall out of it, because they care. Bonding is not about a snugglefest. Rules, discipline and boundaries make a child feel safe. Kids aren't a equipped to deal with decision making at a young age. It's like dogs, they need a strong leader and to be cared for or they end up neurotic.

His parents had already set boundaries though, as he frequently mentions in his manifesto. If anything, he was constantly being passed around because he was a whiny, weak, insufferable little douche which no sane person would ever want to be around. Whenever he was given rules he ignored them, and whenever he was given boundaries he threw tantrums, so obviously he was just impossible. He only ever used structure to further his victim complex, and couldn't be helped either way. That anyone kept him in their lives at all is amazing, honestly

 

[teheviltwin]

You may be correct in the end, but you're speculating incautiously.

Here's another: I never said I was left in the supervision of my older brother. You just extrapolated that without asking for clarification, because I mentioned my brother also grabbed a cactus. We weren't together. It was a common occurrence among people living in Killeen, Texas, which is the location of a large army base featuring people from all over the country where they don't have things like cactii and gila monsters and scorpions.

I'm speculating just as much as anyone else. It's my opinion that there could be a major case of both being born with a problem and parental issues.

If I was incorrect then I apologise and will state instead that leaving a 5 year old alone in an unfamiliar place surrounded by that kind of hazard is bad parenting.

His parents had already set boundaries though, as he frequently mentions in his manifesto. If anything, he was constantly being passed around because he was a whiny, weak, insufferable little douche which no sane person would ever want to be around. Whenever he was given rules he ignored them, and whenever he was given boundaries he threw tantrums, so obviously he was just impossible. He only ever used structure to further his victim complex, and couldn't be helped either way. That anyone kept him in their lives at all is amazing, honestly

I don't see any boundaries coming into play until he was much older. The important years are the earliest ones.

There's a point past which no one can blame their parents. My Dad is a complete cunt but he's not responsible for the decisions I make today. However, he is technically responsible for me and my sisters having low self-esteem and genetically for my bipolar. Doesn't mean I blame him for my actions though.

 

[slep]

Not to sound popular, but I should make mention that I myself had come this close to becoming a victim of a murder spree myself.

Anyone remember this event?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westroads_Mall_shooting

I almost missed my bus ride home from Westroads and if I had, I would have walked inside to hang out near the elevators just inside the doors of the Von Maur where it was warm and waited for the next bus to show up. But before that next bus would have arrived, I would have been standing right there next to where those mannequins are when THIS guy popped out of the elevator:

Having dodged a bullet (almost literally), I spent the rest of that day getting shitfaced drunk before my nerves turned me into a quivering ball of mush.

 

[Artard]

I'm speculating just as much as anyone else. It's my opinion that there could be a major case of both being born with a problem and parental issues.

If I was incorrect then I apologise and will state instead that leaving a 5 year old alone in an unfamiliar place surrounded by that kind of hazard is bad parenting.

You were incorrect and you're still incorrect. Like cwckifan said, it's just bizarre to read a brief account of a childhood accident and conclude "my, not enough parental bonding I see". Kids get into trouble. It happens.

I'd also point out that making assumptions about people's background and competence of their parents in the course of a conversation is fairly rude, but I assume that most people who were Properly Bonded are aware of that.

 

[Some JERK]

one has to wonder how Elliot obtained his guns.

Legally, and in one of the states with the most restrictive gun-control laws. The problem is that:

California has an "A-" rating for it's gun restriction laws
California has an "F" rating for it's laws regarding the treatment of at-risk, mentally ill people. (including reporting, identification, and involuntary treatment)

Nobody in any position to deny him a firearm knew that this kid was a psycho, because the state doesn't care about psychos until they wind up doing something that can't be ignored. Then, rather than treating them, they usually just throw them in prison. (If they're still alive, that is.)

 

[teheviltwin]

You were incorrect and you're still incorrect. Like cwckifan said, it's just bizarre to read a brief account of a childhood accident and conclude "my, not enough parental bonding I see". Kids get into trouble. It happens.

I'd also point out that making assumptions about people's background and competence of their parents in the course of a conversation is fairly rude, but I assume that most people who were Properly Bonded are aware of that.

I only made an assumption if I was correct in what happened. That is precisely why I worded it that way. I also didn't say that it showed a lack of parental bonding... Just bad parenting. The situation I suggested was just that.

 

[KatsuKitty]

Not to sound popular, but I should make mention that I myself had come this close to becoming a victim of a murder spree myself.

Anyone remember this event?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westroads_Mall_shooting

I almost missed my bus ride home from Westroads and if I had, I would have walked inside to hang out near the elevators just inside the doors of the Von Maur where it was warm and waited for the next bus to show up. But before that next bus would have arrived, I would have been standing right there next to where those mannequins are when THIS guy popped out of the elevator:

Having dodged a bullet (almost literally), I spent the rest of that day getting shitfaced drunk before my nerves turned me into a quivering ball of mush.

I almost went to Hot Topic at the Mall in Columbia earlier this year the morning of the shooting. Guess what store was next to Zumiez. Shit happens.

 

[DC 740]

I wish this little bitch would have been caught alive. If he thought his pompous life on the outside was sooo baaad waaaah waaaaaaah he'd be having a hell of a time in prison.

 

[Cwckifan]

I don't see any boundaries coming into play until he was much older. The important years are the earliest ones.

There's a point past which no one can blame their parents. My Dad is a complete cunt but he's not responsible for the decisions I make today. However, he is technically responsible for me and my sisters having low self-esteem and genetically for my bipolar. Doesn't mean I blame him for my actions though.

Honestly, his early years look no different than that of any happy childhood with lots of toys, fun, and freedom. He was obviously well cared for as well, so yeah...

I wish this little bitch would have been caught alive. If he thought his pompous life on the outside was sooo baaad waaaah waaaaaaah he'd be having a hell of a time in prison.

Why do you think he killed himself?

 

[c-no]

Legally, and in one of the states with the most restrictive gun-control laws. The problem is that:

California has an "A-" rating for it's gun restriction laws
California has an "F" rating for it's laws regarding the treatment of at-risk, mentally ill people. (including reporting, identification, and involuntary treatment)

Nobody in any position to deny him a firearm knew that this kid was a psycho, because the state doesn't care about psychos until they wind up doing something that can't be ignored. Then, rather than treating them, they usually just throw them in prison. (If they're still alive, that is.)

Considering the treatment of at-risk, mentally ill people, perhaps that should be given focus. As much as how Californians say there should be a need for tighter gun control (in a state that does have tight gun control considering the rating.), guns shouldn't be the focus as much as mental health. I mean, the shooter himself may of been mentally ill, right? If so, then perhaps focus on laws regarding treatment of mentally ill people should be given light.

 

[exball]

Guys Chris mocked 9/11 and Rodgers killed people. Don't you see the connection? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

 

[c-no]

Why do you think he killed himself?

I remember from a peer in my English class at college along with a discussion of prisons within a critical review of the death penalty that prison has a high suicide rate. Really, as much as Elliot dodged prison, he'd still take his life if he were to end up in prison.

 

[teheviltwin]

Honestly, his early years look no different than that of any happy childhood with lots of toys, fun, and freedom. He was obviously well cared for as well, so yeah...

It's a difference of perspective. I have family that have been to boarding schools and it's not a fun time, especially not if you're in prep. I try not to look at the fluff around what he's saying and look at the factual (as far as I know) statements made.

 

[A-Stump]

In relating to 'privilege doesn't bring you happiness', no, it doesn't. I will s that Elliott was far more privileged than most of us have probably been. The fact that he never exercised what could have been a great thing and made something of himself is his fault. Society never denied him a thing. He probably never went a night hungry in his life. Or had to worry about supporting other people. He lived vicariously, living his life a waste. He grew bitter at stupid bullshit when there are plenty of his own countrymen who are living their own miserable existences and wouldn't have the energy to formulate such a cocked up stupid mindset as he had.

He had all of the privilege, opportunity, and placement to do something in the world and he didn't. He's another piece of history that should be forgotten about. No grave, no media reports, no discussion. His story should languish forgotten by everyone. No glory to murderers, no talking heads on the television. Let the families mourn and the manchild with a gun be in death as he was in life, a two-bit nobody.

 

[Artard]

I only made an assumption if I was correct in what happened. That is precisely why I worded it that way. I also didn't say that it showed a lack of parental bonding... Just bad parenting. The situation I suggested was just that.

See, you're wrong because you clearly don't know my parents, but more importantly you've obviously never been near Killeen, Texas. That's okay: if you or your family weren't in the US army, you'd have no reason to. But if you asked (since I'm right here, and unlike a dead psychopath, you can ask me) I'd tell you the details of what I remember. So far you haven't though. Just concluded it's either lack of Parental Bonding or bad parenting.

We can't ask the dead psychopath now to clarify. That document is of interest first because of state of mind, only second for his (apparently incredibly unreliable) history. Girls he claimed humiliated him say they have no memory of ever meeting him, much less of the incident.

I really think it's more responsible to err on the side of "this psychopath with obsessive thoughts may be twisting things based upon his being a psychopath with obsessive thoughts". Not because he can't tell the truth but because this whole thing is the work of a psychopath with obsessive thoughts.

 

[Some JERK]

Considering the treatment of at-risk, mentally ill people, perhaps that should be given focus. As much as how Californians say there should be a need for tighter gun control (in a state that does have tight gun control considering the rating.), guns shouldn't be the focus as much as mental health. I mean, the shooter himself may of been mentally ill, right? If so, then perhaps focus on laws regarding treatment of mentally ill people should be given light.

I don't know what his therapy sessions were like, or what anyone did or didn't know, but based on his videos and his writings I find it hard to believe that nobody (including his family) was at all concerned about this kid. I think that if anyone who had contact with him had the tools, backed by the force of law, to raise some kind of alarm about him (including having him involuntarily treated, which in California is exceedingly difficult to do.) then maybe he wouldn't have been able to get his hands on those weapons so easily.

EDIT: More reading reveals that his family was extremely concerned about his mental state. (hence the multiple therapists and the visit from the police just prior to the shooting.) Nobody had any legal basis to do anything about their concerns though. California's involuntary treatment laws are some of the most restrictive in the nation. You basically have to wait until someone does something terrible to get them committed, which seems backwards.

 

[teheviltwin]

See, you're wrong because you clearly don't know my parents, but more importantly you've obviously never been near Killeen, Texas. That's okay: if you or your family weren't in the US army, you'd have no reason to. But if you asked (since I'm right here, and unlike a dead psychopath, you can ask me) I'd tell you the details of what I remember. So far you haven't though. Just concluded it's either lack of Parental Bonding or bad parenting.

No I didn't. I said that leaving a 5 year old unsupervised in a strange place with hazards around is bad parenting. I did not say that it is what happened. Just that if that was the case that it was, imho, bad parenting.

I don't particularly care about what happened because all kids get into scrapes when they're young. And if you are going to give me some bollocks about parallels with Elliot's Whingesto then please provide the other 136 pages, all the cached comments and I'll happily form a completely untrain armchair psychiatrist opinion on your upbringing. I'll get the couch ready for you and everything.

 

[exball]

No I didn't. I said that leaving a 5 year old unsupervised in a strange place with hazards around is bad parenting. I did not say that it is what happened. Just that if that was the case that it was, imho, bad parenting.

I don't particularly care about what happened because all kids get into scrapes when they're young. And if you are going to give me some bollocks about parallels with Elliot's Whingesto then please provide the other 136 pages, all the cached comments and I'll happily form a completely untrain armchair psychiatrist opinion on your upbringing. I'll get the couch ready for you and everything.

See, you're wrong because you clearly don't know my parents, but more importantly you've obviously never been near Killeen, Texas. That's okay: if you or your family weren't in the US army, you'd have no reason to. But if you asked (since I'm right here, and unlike a dead psychopath, you can ask me) I'd tell you the details of what I remember. So far you haven't though. Just concluded it's either lack of Parental Bonding or bad parenting.

We can't ask the dead psychopath now to clarify. That document is of interest first because of state of mind, only second for his (apparently incredibly unreliable) history. Girls he claimed humiliated him say they have no memory of ever meeting him, much less of the incident.

I really think it's more responsible to err on the side of "this psychopath with obsessive thoughts may be twisting things based upon his being a psychopath with obsessive thoughts". Not because he can't tell the truth but because this whole thing is the work of a psychopath with obsessive thoughts.

Who gives a shit?

 

[CatParty]

Why do you think he killed himself?

He was a huge pussy