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AmpleApricots said:
There's no point dealing with the hassle of self-hosting, nor is it necessarily safer. Get a provider that stores emails encrypted (so that if they're required to give data out by a government agency, they can comply by giving them encrypted data that's basically useless) and doesn't log. (not a requirement in many countries, legally it's usually only the ISP that has to) There are quite a few. Big surprise though - a provider that can't live from selling your data costs money, so pay them. A good sign is if they've been used by ransomware people to communicate with their victims in the past and allow anonymous payment, even by mailed-in cash.
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This is good information. Where would I find a provider that meets these criteria?
 
I actually don't use protonmail and there are providers where signing up is easier and doesn't require you to either have an already existing email address or need to have an SMS sent to you. I don't really want to advise any single provider because no matter which one I'll name, someone will come out of the woodwork to tell me how they're total spyware. Thing is, to some degree you have to just trust them to do the right thing. If you have zero trust, you cannot use any. That's how it is. There's a lot more than protonmail though, good providers too. Almost any paid-for provider lets you sign up an account to look at their feature set before paying. Do your own research, it is worth it. Just don't use free providers because they finance themselves through you in some way you might not like, guaranteed.
 
ProtonMail is now officially cucked:

Hello,

Our anti-abuse systems have detected that this account is part of multiple sign-ups. Bulk free account creation can be considered to be abusive.
We would like to remind you that we reserve the right to take action against any free account considered to be in violation of this policy. For more information, please consult our Terms & Conditions (https://protonmail.com/terms-and-conditions).
If you need multiple ProtonMail addresses, please upgrade to a premium account which allows the creation of additional addresses under the same account (https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/paid-plans).
If you need multiple accounts for a business or an organization that requires multi-user support, please upgrade to the ProtonMail Professional plan (https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/business).
You can upgrade your account by going to the Settings menu of your account.
Best Regards,
The Proton Team
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Having multiple free accounts is not considered an acceptable use of our service (e.g. bulk-signups, large number of free accounts created by a single organization or individual). Free accounts can also only be created and maintained by their effective users (e.g. it is not acceptable to create accounts in anyone else’s name and later transfer credentials to that third party).
Although it is not the current practice, we reserve the right to suspend or delete accounts that are inactive for over three months. Paid accounts with active paid status are not subject to this measure.
We may also terminate accounts which are being used for illegal activities, particularly in response to court orders from the competent authorities informing us of such illegal activity.
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I guess you're better off with Tutanota and mailfence nowadays.
Sam Losco said:
I've never had a problem.

My biggest problem with ProtonMail is they are starting to nickel and dime everything. The app for example, only allows one free account to be signed in. You can sign in unlimited number of paid accounts, but only one free account. That forced me to combine a free account into my paid account. That process sucks too because the only way they can do that is to delete the free account so you can create it again inside your paid account.

I'm also using their Calendar app, which is beta, and it's only available for paid accounts. I don't know if they plan to keep that policy once it's out of beta. But whatever, if it means switching all my calendar stuff off of Google, that's ok, I have a paid account anyway since I wanted to support them.
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I just noticed this tonight. I never used to get warnings to not have more than one account on ProtonMail. Is this a newer development? Do you know any other free encrypted emails that don't have these kind of restrictions?
 
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There's one called Fastmail that's only 3 dollars a month for unlimited aliases.
 
The email server is basically one program. Usually postfix. You can have it running from your home PC. It's not recommended but it's possible. Unless your home IP is banned for this use in which case your only other option is to rent a VPS and have postfix run there. To have your emails not rejected by the big names you need to also setup DMARC, DKIM and SPF. Of those only DKIM may be somewhat of an obstacle to a beginner. In the end you should get 10/10 on mail tester websites. And even then it is possible your emails get rejected by the big names because the IP was blacklisted. Yes I wrote it. How does that make you feel? :^) Some web hosts offer email. You could do that instead if you want. IMO email should never be use at all on the internet. It's fine for intranet.
 
I switched to Mailfence a couple years ago and have been happy with it. I pay I think $30 a year for the premium version (you need to to sync it on a mail app).
 
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Proton is super cucked now since they just removed "won't log ip addrs" from their terms of service. Looking to get out.
 
The real problem is Email being a shitty relic from the webs earliest days. It's not meant to provide much in the way of privacy, let alone anonymity.
It's like the fucking fax machine 15 years ago. It's faster than regular mail, nobody has managed to make anything better and everyone has one.

Is there any service or protocol in the works that's more secure than and as easy to use as email and has any chance to replace it at any point in the future?
 
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Anyone got a cock.li invite? My anonymous account kinda became my spam account over time.

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Kazuma said:
Has anyone used Skiff Mail? Saw it being recommended by both PrivacyGuides and PrivacyTools

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Also looking for a cock.li invite.
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I'm using it just to take it for a test drive for non cirtical things and it works pretty well. I don't know if they will continue to honor their no ip logging and full encryption claims in the long run, but it does seem like it's what Proton Mail was supposed to be. Skiff is based out of SF though so once it gets super popular, it might be forced to get cucked.
 
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I need a good alternative to secure and encrypted email right now. I have already created many accounts on Proton, so I need to register a phone number if I want to create a new one. And I don't trust Tutanota much either.

Kazuma said:
Has anyone used Skiff Mail? Saw it being recommended by both PrivacyGuides and PrivacyTools
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I'll give it a try.
Also I'm looking for a cock.li invite too. If someone can PM me with one I'd be glad.
 
Jones McCann said:
Just going to repost this from ProtonMail rats users out to les Feds.
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100% correct when it comes to avoiding ProtonMail, and I would apply the same to all “encrypted email providers” as they’re all typically crippled, attract mass surveillance from TLAs and only encrypt what you receive from normal plaintext senders long after plaintext has been exposed, which is pointless.

For end-to-end encryption of messages to be guaranteed, all cryptographic operations must be performed client-side (using a private key only you possess) before the message leaves your computer and both parties must agree to use a compatible technology (e.g. S/MIME, GPG). If you’re already doing that, then congratulations, you don’t need to change much.

Due to all the filtering technologies used by just about everyone to block spam, self-hosting won’t really gain you much which encryption doesn’t already. In fact, you can simulate most of the benefits of self-hosting by POP3ing all your messages so they’re deleted upon receipt. As most filtering services retain copies of messages (for security reasons) for about as long as an email provider would post-delete, self-hosting doesn’t really gain you much.

TL;DR: The alternative to email is not using email, unless you can get the world to agree on GPG or S/MIME and to not put anything of value in the subject line,
 
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I self host my email for the most part using postfix, dovecot and opendkim on Linode servers. It was a bit of a pain in the ass to learn how to set it all up though. But I have more or less unlimited space on a computer that I control. (If I were *really* worried, I'd switch my email server to my home server machine. If I were *really really* worried, I'd be sending CDs full of one-time pad via snail mail to my co-conspirators.

I haven't had terrible trouble with my self-hosted emails getting rejected, because I have my openDKIM configured (it signs outgoing email with an RSA key, the public key of which is on your DNS records as a TXT mail._domainkey record). When I do have trouble, I have other emails from outside providers. Gmail seems to accept my mails. The only services that don't are super-paranoid corporate sites.

Spam is a nightmare. I have some hyperactive spam training in thunderbird, and I think I'm also using spamassasin or something. It's been a while since I've dug into the server plumbing for all this. After ~90% of my incoming mail gets swept up as spam, the remainder works pretty well.
 
Kazuma said:
Also looking for a cock.li invite.
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MACAROON said:
Also I'm looking for a cock.li invite too. If someone can PM me with one I'd be glad.
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