LGBT [Email] The Piercing and Bisexuality

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

Given Chris's rather strong opinions on the respective worth of the genders, the notion that someone might actually want to "become male" would probably cause his brain to explode.

The pedestal he's built for women is ridiculously high. From his perspective, life as a woman basically consists of having fun without any responsibilities while being incredibly desirable. He probably can't even comprehend why anyone would want to be a man... because he doesn't understand gender. He doesn't see genders, he just sees the roles.

 

[P-Logic]

Chris is a spectacular failure at the traditional role of men as a provider and as the pursuer, so he wants to take on the traditional female role of passivity.

I broadly agree with you about most things you have said about Chris's gender issues, but I don't think this is true. Chris has never given a fuck about being a successful man. He's never cared about any conventional metric of success in general. The only time he's ever felt uncomfortable about his general failure is when he's being directly confronted about it, and sometimes not even then. If you call him a loser who has never achieved anything in his life, then he'll tell you about the time he lifted a heavy bag once a few years ago.

Chris certainly experiences the consequences of being a failure, especially the lack of female companionship, but I doubt he has ever felt like a failure. His spectacularly warped worldview ensures that he thinks he's fucking awesome, even in the darkest depths of depression.

Of course this assessment is based on information about Chris that is publicly known. Anyone who is privy to the latest batch of hoarded content might have evidence to the contrary.

 

[Marvin]

I broadly agree with you about most things you have said about Chris's gender issues, but I don't think this is true. Chris has never given a fuck about being a successful man. He's never cared about any conventional metric of success in general. The only time he's ever felt uncomfortable about his general failure is when he's being directly confronted about it, and sometimes not even then. If you call him a loser who has never achieved anything in his life, then he'll tell you about the time he lifted a heavy bag once a few years ago.

Chris certainly experiences the consequences of being a failure, especially the lack of female companionship, but I doubt he has ever felt like a failure. His spectacularly warped worldview ensures that he thinks he's fucking awesome, even in the darkest depths of depression.

Of course this assessment is based on information about Chris that is publicly known. Anyone who is privy to the latest batch of hoarded content might have evidence to the contrary.

If Chris seems like a failure, it's really because everyone around him failed to hand life on a platter to him. Chris didn't fail, everyone else did.

 

[P-Logic]

If Chris seems like a failure, it's really because everyone around him failed to hand life on a platter to him. Chris didn't fail, everyone else did.

True story. Although of course that doesn't mean that his parents and teachers didn't abdicate their responsibility towards him.

 

[Coldgrip]

I broadly agree with you about most things you have said about Chris's gender issues, but I don't think this is true. Chris has never given a fuck about being a successful man. He's never cared about any conventional metric of success in general. The only time he's ever felt uncomfortable about his general failure is when he's being directly confronted about it, and sometimes not even then. If you call him a loser who has never achieved anything in his life, then he'll tell you about the time he lifted a heavy bag once a few years ago.

Chris certainly experiences the consequences of being a failure, especially the lack of female companionship, but I doubt he has ever felt like a failure. His spectacularly warped worldview ensures that he thinks he's fucking awesome, even in the darkest depths of depression.

Of course this assessment is based on information about Chris that is publicly known. Anyone who is privy to the latest batch of hoarded content might have evidence to the contrary.

In his highschool years, Chris drew a picture of himself working in some sort of factory (I think he was suppose to be making pokeballs) and when asked by Kacey's father Matthew what Fatty would do if Kacey ever became pregnant, Chris claimed that he job would be get a "heavyweight" job moving boxes around and stocking shelves and that he be working "VERY HARD AND HEAVILY".

Chris did at one point try to pass himself off as a successful man, and when troll started picking the illusion apart piece be piece, he'd attempt to defend it. So yes, at one point he did give a shit about trying to be a successful (in both senses) man, he just gave up on it because it'd require actual work.

 

[Marvin]

In his highschool years, Chris drew a picture of himself working in some sort of factory (I think he was suppose to be making pokeballs) and when asked by Kacey's father Matthew what Fatty would do if Kacey ever became pregnant, Chris claimed that he job would be get a "heavyweight" job moving boxes around and stocking shelves and that he be working "VERY HARD AND HEAVILY".

Chris did at one point try to pass himself off as a successful man, and when troll started picking the illusion apart piece be piece, he'd attempt to defend it. So yes, at one point he did give a shit about trying to be a successful (in both senses) man, he just gave up on it because it'd require actual work.

Eh, that's more because he was trying to impress someone.

It's kind of like how you can say to Chris "oh chris, you loser you're totally not an X", and whatever X is, Chris will angrily reply "nuh uh, I am so an X!" It doesn't matter what X is.

 

[Coldgrip]

Eh, that's more because he was trying to impress someone.

It's kind of like how you can say to Chris "oh chris, you loser you're totally not an X", and whatever X is, Chris will angrily reply "nuh uh, I am so an X!" It doesn't matter what X is.

So at no point did he ever honestly believe he possessed herculean strength and that it was all done to intimidate the trolls?

I understand videos like the one where he tries to do pull ups were done to impress somebody, but just from the sheer size of his ego and how he'd depict himself in the comics would lead one to think that he considers himself some sort of epitome of masculinity.

 

[Marvin]

So at no point did he ever honestly believe he possessed herculean strength and that it was all done to intimidate the trolls?

I understand videos like the one where he tries to do pull ups were done to impress somebody, but just from the sheer size of his ego and how he'd depict himself in the comics would lead one to think that he considers himself some sort of epitome of masculinity.

Chris feels strong because sometimes he lifts heavy things. They're hard to lift, but he prevails in the end. That means he's strong.

Masculinity isn't a good thing to Chris. His ego drives him to be perfect, not masculine.

 

[asperhes]

Masculinity isn't a good thing to Chris. His ego drives him to be perfect, not masculine.

I don't know, Chris was on the fence about masculinity for a long time. He knew his physical gender didn't match up with his soul and he was looking for ways to remedy this by becoming more masculine. He considered taking male hormones. He tried to make his penis longer and straighter, and he claimed to be proud of how big it was. He was (and still is) obsessed with fatherhood and family life. Regarding all the "power" videos, yes he was trying to impress people, but these demands that he be strong and masculine drove home for him his own inadequacies in the masculinity department. He knew that society wanted him to be more masculine, and instead of rejecting these demands, he tried to comply with them. He totally bought into the fantasy of the hero defending the fair maiden with violence against the villain--there are countless videos where he threatens violence against those who would steal his girlfriends.

None of this was unalloyed--he was on the fence. He hated and loved his penis at the same time. Now, finally, he seems to have tipped over to a purer female identity, and a lot of the conflict has been resolved. Yet even now he is driven by his dream of being a good father to Crystal. I would agree that on the whole he hates masculinity, but his body dysmorphia forced him to try to embrace it for a long time. As with everything else about human beings, he is confused.

 

[Stud2Stud]

Chris feels strong because sometimes he lifts heavy things. They're hard to lift, but he prevails in the end. That means he's strong.

There was also some circular logic in play there, I think. I am certain Chris thought he was genuinely strong, and he validated it by doing something that takes strength and completely misjudging the amount of strength necessary...
So he'd take something that weights like 20 pounds, barely manages to lift it and decides not only must it be super heavy (since he was struggling to lift it) but he must also be super strong to be able to lift it and then happily declares it must have weighted a hundred pounds or so.

Why is he strong? Cause he can lift heavy things.
Why are they heavy? Cause Chris can barely lift them.

Something like that.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

He doesn't really have a frame of reference for his achievements. Lifting something that's heavy (to him) is a huge accomplishment because it must be heavy for everyone else. He has a hard time distinguishing between his perspective and the perspective of others.

 

[Stud2Stud]

He doesn't really have a frame of reference for his achievements. Lifting something that's heavy (to him) is a huge accomplishment because it must be heavy for everyone else. He has a hard time distinguishing between his perspective and the perspective of others.

I'd say there is ample evidence Chris doesn't even think there is any perspective aside from his own. And if someone expresses a different opinion that certain someone must be either trolling, stupid or lying.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

There was also some circular logic in play there, I think. I am certain Chris thought he was genuinely strong, and he validated it by doing something that takes strength and completely misjudging the amount of strength necessary...
So he'd take something that weights like 20 pounds, barely manages to lift it and decides not only must it be super heavy (since he was struggling to lift it) but he must also be super strong to be able to lift it and then happily declares it must have weighted a hundred pounds or so.

Why is he strong? Cause he can lift heavy things.
Why are they heavy? Cause Chris can barely lift them.

Something like that.

Pffft, 100 pounds is nothing for Chris:

Another heavy-duty burden I had to take care of, and that I wasn't paid for? When my dog died, a few years ago, she was a sweet dog, I moved, I lifted and carried her doghouse to the site where we buried her. Her doghouse. That thing had to weigh, like, five, ten tons.

(Quote from here)
Also there is this:

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Chris seems to exaggerate any trial or obstacle he overcomes - like when he went on a hike in a forest and he exaggerated stuff there, or the time he had to take the garbage out at Wendy's, for example.

Why is he strong? Cause he can lift heavy things.
Why are they heavy? Cause Chris can barely lift them.

There was a brief moment when that kind of thought was shattered - when he tried to do a pull-up and failed.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

There was a brief moment when that kind of thought was shattered - when he tried to do a pull-up and failed.

At least he tried!

 

[Marvin]

There was a brief moment when that kind of thought was shattered - when he tried to do a pull-up and failed.

My favorite. Chris thinks he's great at everything. He had no clue that he might not actually be able to do the pull up, until his hands were on the bar. And he even still uploaded the video.

That look when Chris realized he failed? Hilarious.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I wonder if Chris' inability to estimate weight comes from cartoons? I'm thinking of the vast number of series where a character will be crushed by a 10-ton weight and then be fine in the next scene. "Hmm, yeah, well, Wile E. Coyote was fine... so 10 tons can't be that much..."

 

[Francis York Morgan]

I wonder if Chris' inability to estimate weight comes from cartoons? I'm thinking of the vast number of series where a character will be crushed by a 10-ton weight and then be fine in the next scene. "Hmm, yeah, well, Wile E. Coyote was fine... so 10 tons can't be that much..."

Autism and the mind of a child. That's really all there is to it. If it's really heavy to him then it must weigh a lot.

 

[Stud2Stud]

I wonder if Chris' inability to estimate weight comes from cartoons? I'm thinking of the vast number of series where a character will be crushed by a 10-ton weight and then be fine in the next scene. "Hmm, yeah, well, Wile E. Coyote was fine... so 10 tons can't be that much..."

While that's an interesting idea I think it's more or less just Chris not being able to do even the most basic math and having very vague concepts regarding such units of measurement. Like, a normal person would have a decent understanding of (say) what 1 litre of water weights. And that hypothetical person would know a ton is equal to a thousand bottles of water. Or a small car.
Chris on the other hand seems to think less in such terms and his idea would boil down to "One ton weights a lot", but without any kind of unit attached to it. Also he's just all too happy to overestimate something when he's trying to impress someone. The doghouse being 5 to 10 tons might have been a figure of speech, too. With Chris you never really know if he sucked at relating an actual weight or if he just wanted to do an intentional overestimate...

 

[ManicStreetPreacher]

Regarding the failure to do the pull up, I think the CWCki put it superbly,

''This event marks a historic day in CWC history as it is the first time we have witnessed Chris acknowledge that he is not, in fact, superhuman.''