LGBT [Email] The Piercing and Bisexuality

[Tubular Monkey]

Nothing, as far as I know.

It's staggering how little she knows about him, given how much we know about him. Not that it would matter, really. I don't think Barb knows anything about conflict resolution beyond winning an argument by shouting the loudest.

 

[The Nameless One]

If I can just throw in my two cents before the ethics discussion ship takes off, my speculation for what may have been motivating @Thetan, taking her at her word, is something that has motivated many, many people who have interacted with Chris over the years. Many people, myself included, find Chris's antics and the trolling amusing and fascinating but have a desire to see Chris improve himself. However, "wanting to see him improve" and even "feeling sorry for him" is not even close to being on the same level as "wanting to be his friend." Wanting to be someone's friend typically requires a big emotional investment in another person, like someone we've known personally for years or a stranger whom we greatly respect: Chris doesn't fit either of those criteria.

It's like charity. Someone asks you if you want to help starving orphans by donating a dollar a day. "Sure," you say. But then the person asks, "If you want to help the orphans so badly, why don't you go to the playground with them every week and listen to them talk about their emotional problems?" Most people would say, one way or another, that they're just not interested in making that kind of commitment.

People have been trying to help Chris by white knighting for as long as he's been Internets famous. You can see plenty of examples on the CWCki, or hell, just look at the comments on his Facebook statuses over the past two years. People who like Chris and have even met him in person will give him good advice, and he just blows it off. When he's lonely, you'll tell him that you're here for him, and he'll say "Yeah, but what have you done for me LATELY?" @champthom summed it up well:

This isn't me being an A-Log but from my experience with Chris, being Chris's friend is asking for trouble. I'm not saying people shouldn't be friends with Chris but friendship with Chris is, as someone else in this thread said, a lot of baggage. If you're Chris's friend and you're a woman, the expectation is that you're either going to enter into a relationship with Chris or you're going to set him up with somebody because "that's what friends do." Or you're expected to give him pity sex because he's EVER SO LONESOME. You have to worry about being doxed if you slight him or if he does something stupid (like he decides to tell the Internet "I TOTALLY HAVE A FRIEND, HER NAME IS x AND HER ADDRESS IS....") and you'll be perceived as a white knight to would be trolls which draws their ire. Friendship is supposed to be a mutual arrangement where both parties derive some sort of benefit from each other, but with Chris, it's mostly a one sided relationship. You're only a friend as so much as you can be a grade A ass patter and enabler.

In short: Being Chris's friend sucks.

I'm pretty sure Thetan has, in the past, posted publicly on Chris's Facebook with genuinely good advice, and Chris ignored it. Lots of people have tried doing the same and met with the same reaction.

I think Thetan, as someone who's followed Chris for a long time realized that 1) Chris generally ignores good advice from people he doesn't know, and anyone who attempts to give it to him is wasting their time, and 2) Chris is easily fooled by people pretending to be other people. Thus, she came up with the idea to pose as people Chris would trust in order to get around that obstacle. It's like entering a cheat code (presumably for Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles). However, while Thetan ended up planting some good ideas in Chris's head, she realized that doing so required methods that many people would find, frankly, bizarre and dubious.

Just an analysis I've thrown together based on what everyone has said so far, but it seems like a reasonable interpretation of Thetan's initial motivation; how not wanting to be his friend does not preclude having genuinely good motivations; and why she eventually felt guilty about it.

 

[ThatGuy]

I've already explained my motivations. As far as "great content" I didn't think these emails were ever going to see the light of day. I never intended them to be for public view, so that wasn't a motivating factor.

I suppose you could call it a sort of social experiment, which I know doesn't really justify anything but it's a lot closer to what I was actually aiming for.

Like I said, I'm still asking myself why I did this. When I finally figure it all out I promise I'll share with everyone.

I find it interesting that you were able to get him moving in some ways, such as going out, but not so much in others. He seems to have a line where when it's crossed he's either too uncomfortable, stubborn or who knows what to cross it.

 

[timtommy]

I understand what you mean completely and don't want to get into an argument, but I think there's a difference between you as a child being bullied and Chris. Yes, Chris may have (for very lack of a better term) diminished capacity but he's still an adult who's been through the rigamarole multiple times. I'm not going to say what Thetan did was 100% kosher, but I don't think it was particularly bad or as damaging as other trolls and fakes in his life.

Oh I agree completely. I was making more of a "be careful of a slippery slope" argument, and "claiming good intentions is not a get out of jail free" argument. The analogy was more about what happens if that logic gets taken too far, not about what is happening now.

I find it interesting that you were able to get him moving in some ways, such as going out, but not so much in others. He seems to have a line where when it's crossed he's either too uncomfortable, stubborn or who knows what to cross it.

Is that really that odd? Chris was feeling lonely and isolated, so if someone pointed out a concrete and easy way he could feel less like that, I am sure he would be quite amenable to suggestions. If it was something he really didn't want to do, he would need a lot more convincing than a few emails could provide.

If someone suggests I go take a cigarette break, I am gone in an instant. If someone suggests I hire someone to kick me in the nuts, I am fairly hesitant. Same principle works here.

 

[Stud2Stud]

It's staggering how little she knows about him, given how much we know about him. Not that it would matter, really. I don't think Barb knows anything about conflict resolution beyond winning an argument by shouting the loudest.

Now now, that's hardly fair. She also knows how to win an argument by threatening people with suicide and I think she knows a thing or two about extortion.

 

[Da Big Staw]

Eh, what you're saying is a combination of rose tinted glasses and the fact that Chris' life hadn't yet sunk back in the "good old days".

Chris can't be funny now in the way you want because the conditions just don't exist. I mean, for example, Chris' raging about sonic's arm color is exactly on par with the raging he did at the trolls back in the day. Why isn't it as funny? Because Chris' life is depressing.

Oh, i have no rose colored glasses about the state of Chris the past few years. Your absolutely right about Chris changing responses being the biggest factor. I just feel the endless emails trying to "help chris" seem a waste of interaction with Chris.

 

[Marvin]

Oh, i have no rose colored glasses about the state of Chris the past few years. Your absolutely right about Chris changing responses being the biggest factor. I just feel the endless emails trying to "help chris" seem a waste of interaction with Chris.

Better expectations on the part of the people writing the emails would be better.

So, for example I don't think you could reasonably make Chris not hate men via email. But sending Chris to gay clubs? Helpful and amusing.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

Chris would be a walking disaster zone whether the trolls were involved or not. I don't get all the hand-wringing.

That being said, holy shit that infected taint looks horrific.

 

[Datiko]

Chris can't be funny now in the way you want because the conditions just don't exist. I mean, for example, Chris' raging about sonic's arm color is exactly on par with the raging he did at the trolls back in the day. Why isn't it as funny? Because Chris' life is depressing.

I would say its funnier now after all that has happened. Chris is being milked dry but every last drop has at least some of the essence that drew us here in the first place.

The ethical debate is kind of silly. Its all been trolling regardless of motivation. Nowhere on the planet is there a society where the continued harassment of a mentally ill man would be considered acceptable. While it might be considered uncouth in the US, the trolls would be charged for crimes in some countries based on their actions. The 7+ years of trolling Chris are wrong by most moral standards. They were also incredibly funny which is why his fans, many of which are well adjusted people with excellent careers, didn't turn away even when they found themselves slowly being integrated into the performance. Somebody had to play the "bad guy" to keep the show going. Even trolls like BlueSpike whose perversions are universally regarded as insane generate content that is still laughed at today.

These forums are windows into insane worlds where most of us can never tread. Its hard to look away from oddities like the dictatorship of cwcville or the continued exploits of the Deagle Nation. There should be no shame since we are all in the same place.

 

[WilhelmIIofPrussia]

Clearly Chris is trying to recreate his Manchester High School days. His attempts might have been parried by impostor trolls, but the desire in him is still there. It will never die.
All of us know it is in vain. We all know he is doomed.

The only way he can escape reality now is by drowning himself in Sonic and Lego.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

Now I'm conflicted as to what to believe.

The only thing you need to know is that Chris is now bisexual.

 

[Haesindang Park]

The only thing you need to know is that Chris is now bisexual.

I thought he's a tranny tomgirl lesbian who hates men. He hates males remember?

 

[garbageraider]

Clearly Chris is trying to recreate his Manchester High School days. His attempts might have been parried by impostor trolls, but the desire in him is still there. It will never die.
All of us know it is in vain. We all know he is doomed.

The only way he can escape reality now is by drowning himself in Sonic and Lego.

Chris is a young child in a man's body, clinging to and chasing dreams of his past, perversely innocent and naïve through his inability to learn. All the while, his body slowly decays, leaving the smelly, ugly wreck of a person that we see today. Chris is wrapped up in and fixated on his past, which he perceives to be the best days of his life, while his life slowly falls apart around him. Life for Chris has moved on since high school, but he hasn't.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Chris is a young child in a man's body, clinging to and chasing dreams of his past, perversely innocent and naïve through his inability to learn. All the while, his body slowly decays, leaving the smelly, ugly wreck of a person that we see today. Chris is wrapped up in and fixated on his past, which he perceives to be the best days of his life, while his life slowly falls apart around him. Life for Chris has moved on since high school, but he hasn't.

To be honest, aside from the environment of school, wasn't the only thing he did back then sit on his ass and play with toys/vidya like what he generally does now when not bitching about Sonic's arms having hypothermia or half-assing his medallion productions?

 

[Marvin]

I would say its funnier now after all that has happened. Chris is being milked dry but every last drop has at least some of the essence that drew us here in the first place.

The ethical debate is kind of silly. Its all been trolling regardless of motivation. Nowhere on the planet is there a society where the continued harassment of a mentally ill man would be considered acceptable. While it might be considered uncouth in the US, the trolls would be charged for crimes in some countries based on their actions. The 7+ years of trolling Chris are wrong by most moral standards. They were also incredibly funny which is why his fans, many of which are well adjusted people with excellent careers, didn't turn away even when they found themselves slowly being integrated into the performance. Somebody had to play the "bad guy" to keep the show going. Even trolls like BlueSpike whose perversions are universally regarded as insane generate content that is still laughed at today.

These forums are windows into insane worlds where most of us can never tread. Its hard to look away from oddities like the dictatorship of cwcville or the continued exploits of the Deagle Nation. There should be no shame since we are all in the same place.

Eh, or it could be that Chris is just a celebrity.

 

[Mrs Paul]

To be honest, I can't say my intentions were ***totally*** pure, I had a little bit of harmless fun with Chris (the proud slut stuff, encouraging Chris to flirt the skirt) but I can say that they weren't malicious.

It's better to let the person who played Catherine speak for themselves (if and when they're ready). Catherine and I both got after Chris about the piercing. Catherine was also encouraging Chris to get more involved in the LGBT community. Like Rebeckah, Catherine tried to get Chris to examine and question some of his long held beliefs/prejudices, such as his attitude towards gay men. You could say that those efforts were at least moderately successful.

Question -- I'm guessing you're not a medical professional, but in your opinion, would you say that Chris is actually transgender, or just a crossdresser who doesn't know the proper terms?

 

[Tubular Monkey]

Question -- I'm guessing you're not a medical professional, but in your opinion, would you say that Chris is actually transgender, or just a crossdresser who doesn't know the proper terms?

I don't think we can apply the same criteria to Chris that we can to most people, especially when it comes to alternative lifestyles. Chris is just too unusual. There doesn't seem to be another of whatever he is. So you can't really compare him against anything.

 

[WilhelmIIofPrussia]

One thing I wondered when reading these Rebeckah/Tiffany trolling echo chamber emails was: if trolls weren't communicating with him pretending to be his gal pals, who would be communicating with him? Would any of his real friends be filling the social interaction vacuum or would he just be playing video games? Would his life be socially emptier without trolls pretending to be his friends? What sort of content would we get out of him if he was left to feel how truly friendless (yeah I know he has a few friends) he is versus this, rather amusing in my opinion, material we've read here? Would we end up with more emotional "Green County Conspiracy" style content? But anyway. I think if this trolling echo chamber gal pal impersonation stuff hadn't happened, he would be pursuing the gal pals on Facebook who would simply block him and he wouldn't get a word out of them, so maybe he would feel more lonely.

 

[Zekesman]

One of the big rules is "Don't use these forums to plot trolling plans." Now I'm conflicted as to what to believe.

You have to read a bit between the lines there. Null has stated several times he doesnt care about the lolcows or the trollers, he just doesnt want this forum to be embarrassed. Most trollers are shitty trollers with little creativity or means to realize their goals, its like, 90% the work of the lolcow to produce something amusing. The secret board was a chance to see what would happen if he'd allow it. I'm pretty sure that the reason it was brought public is to send a message to other people. Trolling is Chris is difficult and not worth it.
If people want to be an idiot and give it a shot, then do it as far removed from the cwckiforums.

Personally I think trolling current Chris is useless. He has a cult following so to say, so let the poor fellow play with his legos in peace while we're discussing our favorite "art pieces".

 

[Mrs Paul]

If only we knew what actually made Chris think its a good idea to repierce his taint with a safety pin because even most weens wouldn't tell him that...

Did he even bother to sterilize the damn thing before he did it? God, I wouldn't even pop a freaking blister, or remove a splinter like that!