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I have a pet theory about CRD. Sounds crazy, but I get the feeling he grew up poor and blue collar (alluded to in his first Niveus video), possibly without a father, and I think in his earlier years he would have been right at home shitposting with all of us (alluded to in his Voice Modems video when he made a passing remark about the ways in which you used to trash talk your friend you just fragged and "all the other things you'd call him").

It's weird, but I do get an "Old Internet" vibe from him, someone who used to call everyone else "faggots" in the after-school games of CounterStrike 1.6. And now, he seems resentful of his past and he hates the person he used to be and latching onto insufferable leftism is how he chose to deal with it. And now that he's deeply entrenched with the insane leftists and trannies (but I repeat myself) of Seattle, he's only growing more insufferable. Least he's doing a damn good job of hiding his identity. I guess that's the only "Old Internet" thing left about him.
 
The IIGS in general is a rich kids-only playground. Pretty much any project that's actually useful requires 3 kidneys and your firstborn child. I want to love the thing, but when starting with just a barebones stock machine, christ almighty. I've seen a v2 Analog working in a IIGS, but the developer is busy with other things right now, unfortunately.
I've said this multiple times but I cannot stress this enough. Don't buy from old computer shops, don't buy from "retro" warehouses or any ebay store or hell even thrift store. All will gouge you of your cash. Your best bet is to get a list of all the recycle centers within a 50 mile radius of where you are and call them all up and ask if you can buy scrap off them. Its basically garunteed that at least one will say you can. I found one and I was able to get 2 iie's from it for only 5$ each. I also got a bunch of miscellaneous stuff that retards would consider "RARE, ONE OF A KIND, ETC." for next to nothing. For instance I got multiple scsi to usb cables for only 25 cents each.
 
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I've said this multiple times but I cannot stress this enough. Don't buy from old computer shops, don't buy from "retro" warehouses or any ebay store or hell even thrift store. All will gouge you of your cash. Your best bet is to get a list of all the recycle centers within a 50 mile radius of where you are and call them all up and ask if you can buy scrap off them. Its basically garunteed that at least one will say you can. I found one and I was able to get 2 iie's from it for only 5$ each. I also got a bunch of miscellaneous stuff that retards would consider "RARE, ONE OF A KIND, ETC." for next to nothing. For instance I got multiple scsi to usb cables for only 25 cents each.
I had one of those hookups for a while, it was a 'through the fence' style job with a good friend that was at a council tip. Nobody there cared since it was all just actual garbage. Managed to save an Atari 1040stf with a badly installed 4mb ram upgrade and an external 3.5" floppy, an Amstrad cpc464, a pair of broken breadbin c64s and a slew of early 90s beige box PCs. Sadly the cameras went up and that was it (In an authoritarian shithole a community isn't entitled to their own waste). I'd kill for the same arrangement again as I've been guilty more than once lately of paying ebay price for e-waste.
 
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The IIGS in general is a rich kids-only playground. Pretty much any project that's actually useful requires 3 kidneys and your firstborn child. I want to love the thing, but when starting with just a barebones stock machine, christ almighty. I've seen a v2 Analog working in a IIGS, but the developer is busy with other things right now, unfortunately.
I’ve never messed with them because of that, as well as most (worthwhile) apple II software being made for the iie. If I want a desktop environment I’ll just use a Macintosh.
 
I’ve never messed with them because of that, as well as most (worthwhile) apple II software being made for the iie. If I want a desktop environment I’ll just use a Macintosh.
The software situation is indeed meh. The only thing that saved the IIgs from Going Full C128 for software support was the educational inertia.
 
I've said this multiple times but I cannot stress this enough. Don't buy from old computer shops, don't buy from "retro" warehouses or any ebay store or hell even thrift store. All will gouge you of your cash. Your best bet is to get a list of all the recycle centers within a 50 mile radius of where you are and call them all up and ask if you can buy scrap off them. Its basically garunteed that at least one will say you can. I found one and I was able to get 2 iie's from it for only 5$ each. I also got a bunch of miscellaneous stuff that retards would consider "RARE, ONE OF A KIND, ETC." for next to nothing. For instance I got multiple scsi to usb cables for only 25 cents each.
Also look into government surplus and liquidation sites. A buddy of mine got a Mac IIci, Mac IIcx, and an Apple II GS woz edition (with monitors and keyboards included for all the machines) for like $100 from government surplus. The only real caveat was that he had to drive a few hours to pick them up.
 
Join a local irl vintage / retro user group if you have one in your area and participate. I've scored some good stuff at very reasonable prices over the past couple of years by doing this through a combination of tip-offs from, trades with other members and making contacts via the group.
I recently scored one of my white whales in exchange for a case of beer... not saying what machine it is as it'd pose too high a doxing risk due to it being a very specific make/model sold in only one part of the world.
But this only works if you're willing to share the love e.g. telling others in the group about good deals that you can't take advantage of yourself, offering to troubleshoot/repair faulty gear for members who are less technically inclined etc.
 
Latest hellscape issue, the Platinum IIe is now booting with no beep and a screen full of garbage text and I dunno if I can blame it on the ROMs being ancient EPROMs that look to have been made third party or if this is the result of the PSU going below voltage after nearly 40 years and now the CPU can't fully boot. Could be RAM too but iirc the system would boot fully with the beep with bad RAM.
 
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Knowing little of the IIe, if the PCB is physically ok (sockets, traces etc.), I'd go for the power supply first, old drams don't deal well with out-of-spec-ish, low voltages, and this sounds like a classic "memory will garble whatever CPU puts in it" problem. CPU obviously fails to get anything stable up and running and you can't hope for any self-diagnostics because for that to work you would need memory that works at least somewhat. Could be the EPROM but somehow I doubt it. Would also live with the thought that one of the DRAMs maybe just up and died. They age. Good news is that it wouldn't be difficult to retrofit the circuit to accept a much more modern SRAM and this day and age I'd go that route before trying to source different 4264 (?) if you have no spares.
 
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Latest hellscape issue, the Platinum IIe is now booting with no beep and a screen full of garbage text and I dunno if I can blame it on the ROMs being ancient EPROMs that look to have been made third party or if this is the result of the PSU going below voltage after nearly 40 years and now the CPU can't fully boot. Could be RAM too but iirc the system would boot fully with the beep with bad RAM.
Have you recapped the PSU? Plat IIes use the same PSUs as the IIGS and they have a tendency to shit the bed over time. IIRC the safety caps are metal-film instead of RIFA-style paper film so you should be fine there, but the electrolytics are very suspect. Good thing is, they are very easy to open up and service, unlike earlier Apple II PSUs.
 
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Have you recapped the PSU? Plat IIes use the same PSUs as the IIGS and they have a tendency to shit the bed over time. IIRC the safety caps are metal-film instead of RIFA-style paper film so you should be fine there, but the electrolytics are very suspect. Good thing is, they are very easy to open up and service, unlike earlier Apple II PSUs.
That's the other really fucking bizarre part about my plat IIe, someone replaced the internals with a regular IIe that was upgraded to an enhanced model complete with the satan spawn riveted PSU. I have a theory that the original internals were destroyed by some form of moisture damage because there's rusting around the bottom screws but nothing at all on the parts inside and that it had to be a school fuckup because this came with the 1987 rev of the II mouse card which was a stand issue addon for school dealed IIs by then, but alas to get this bastard of a PSU open I'd have to drill out rivets and pray real hard the drill doesn't slip and hit the insides.
 
Latest hellscape issue, the Platinum IIe is now booting with no beep and a screen full of garbage text and I dunno if I can blame it on the ROMs being ancient EPROMs that look to have been made third party or if this is the result of the PSU going below voltage after nearly 40 years and now the CPU can't fully boot. Could be RAM too but iirc the system would boot fully with the beep with bad RAM.
If you haven’t recapped the power supply, I’d start there.
 
That's the other really fucking bizarre part about my plat IIe, someone replaced the internals with a regular IIe that was upgraded to an enhanced model complete with the satan spawn riveted PSU. I have a theory that the original internals were destroyed by some form of moisture damage because there's rusting around the bottom screws but nothing at all on the parts inside and that it had to be a school fuckup because this came with the 1987 rev of the II mouse card which was a stand issue addon for school dealed IIs by then, but alas to get this bastard of a PSU open I'd have to drill out rivets and pray real hard the drill doesn't slip and hit the insides.
Lmfao jesus, god must really hate you. I absolutely despise those early riveted PSUs. All I can say is good luck :semperfidelis:
 
Finally unriveted it today and now I'm even more confused, because every guide online makes it sound like every AII power supply has RIFA shitters that are going to explode any day now and yet I open this PSU up that was manufactured in 1986 apparently and there's none, there's these red WIFA ones instead. Still going to recap it but what in the goddamn, this IIe keeps getting weirder as it goes on.
 
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Finally unriveted it today and now I'm even more confused, because every guide online makes it sound like every AII power supply has RIFA shitters that are going to explode any day now and yet I open this PSU up that was manufactured in 1986 apparently and there's none, there's these red WIFA ones instead. Still going to recap it but what in the goddamn, this IIe keeps getting weirder as it goes on.
Caps where letting go in A2 power supplies even when they where still in schools. I remember a few letting the smoke out in our computer lab. So there being replacement caps in their isnt surprising. Ive seen a A2 kinda boot missing it's 12volt rail. The dram couldn't work correctly but it beeped and put the Apple II on the screen which quickly became corrupted and started looking like something from the matrix. 3x check all your voltages.
In my //e I retrofitted a modern meanwell power supply in. Now I can leave it on all day and not worry about it burning down my house.

This guy made a diag rom image that will supposedly boot even with bad ram.
 
Bought a set of new stock Samsung brand RAM from Jameco because I noted there's a few of those shitass MT chips that could be going bad, then I checked the rails by probing the caps above where the PSU plugs in and what's supposed to be a -12V rail is reading as -0.7 somehow with the -5V reading as positive, so yeah it's time to either source out all the caps or throw $10 at Console5 for a set because holy hell this thing was working just last month and I dunno how it decided to eat ass this quickly.
 
Bought a set of new stock Samsung brand RAM from Jameco because I noted there's a few of those shitass MT chips that could be going bad, then I checked the rails by probing the caps above where the PSU plugs in and what's supposed to be a -12V rail is reading as -0.7 somehow with the -5V reading as positive, so yeah it's time to either source out all the caps or throw $10 at Console5 for a set because holy hell this thing was working just last month and I dunno how it decided to eat ass this quickly.
If you're getting a Jameco order rolling why not just add the caps on? I struggle with people shoveling caps into a bag for huge markup being a positive.

In other news the 'it's obsolescence all the way down' thing I predicted some pages back is biting in an amusing way. Necroware, the nice-seeming fella who does a lot of repairs on various PC boards, made a module to huge acclaim some years back to replace the notorious unrebuildable Dallas clock/SRAM chips used in zillions of PCs. It's a cute little IC replacement board that takes a lithium button cell on top and is a drop in replacement. Nice! All the PC repair youtubers were using this thing and pushing it as the solution. But wait, I thought, who the hell actually makes the chip it uses anymore? Turns out noone. So you're buying pulls from China or cut up reels from people who bought them from the distributors hoarding them. Still available but, uh, far less than it was.

So they figured out that all you have to do is heat up those big Dallas bricks and inside is a crystal, a packaged IC and the little tiny battery you can just snip out and replace with a 2032 holder. Supports my point that a lot of 'replacement parts' for unobtainable stuff are shuffling deck chairs and people need more net-new designs.
 
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So they figured out that all you have to do is heat up those big Dallas bricks and inside is a crystal, a packaged IC and the little tiny battery you can just snip out and replace with a 2032 holder. Supports my point that a lot of 'replacement parts' for unobtainable stuff are shuffling deck chairs and people need more net-new designs.
That's a new trick? I've got one or two industrial SBCs lying around here where I have done this before they were truly "retro". I dremeled and hot-glued the socket on top of the brick but same difference. I experimented a bit around with where to cut, you can't tell me people just figured that out? I could swear I read websites on this back in the day even. These even gave me the idea to begin with.

Otherwise, somebody is just gonna shove in some modern microcontroller or other into that role, sooner or later. It's been like this with the ease and low cost of pcb manufacturing in recent years - somebody works out a way to use old parts in new designs, and the chinese stockpiles just up and collapse a few months later. For many parts, they are simply not that big. Always kinda sucks to come back to an old project and find out old but still easily to obtain parts suddenly have become unobtanium/are being scalped on ebay because some guy made a github project and some other guy made a youtube video about it. Last few months when I played around with my Z180 again I just went ahead, took some money into my hand and just stockpiled some ICs I thought I might need/want eventually. It's gotten kinda bad, really.

Bought a set of new stock Samsung brand RAM
I'd rotate the old RAM back in now because if the new ones are defective (which is a possibility if you cannot test them) you might have added another error source. I'm not familiar with that particular computer but for many systems of that vintage these negative voltage rails have very specific functions and are not critical. It does sound like your power supply needs to be recapped though. If you fix the power supply, these rails are usually served by simple 79xx regulators. Check if they are still ok, they might need to be replaced too. (e.g. -12V was necessary to do serial and people tinkering around might have shortened that rail out and blown up the regulator. There was usually not much in the way of protection.)

PicoPSUs, at least the original ones, are good replacement power supplies for these old computers in my experience. You can remove the ATX plug and just solder wires and a switch on. (or do fancy crimp connectors if you are so inclined, usually not really necessary though) In a pinch there are only few of these old computers that cannot reliably be powered by one. I'd go with an original one because not all have the -5V and -12V legacy rails that are not needed in modern computers. If anyone uses a PicoPSU as power supply, depending on the hardware you use be careful to not switch the system on and off quickly, but always leave it for a few seconds. Because of the nature of PicoPSUs and how they work, some stuff your system might have might begin to oscillate or latch up if you toggle power quickly and this might damage stuff. Otherwise I really like them, combined with a quality 12V power supply they are a cheap, handy and universal way to hook any system up.
 
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