Epic! 8-bitguy uses 1 weird trick to detroy rare prototypes!

[Fcret]

This was a pretty good watch. It also serves as a good analogy on the state of Sony; they couldn't even be arsed getting an easy PR win by accepting a interview on legacy technology. What a fall from grace.

This is why I think the people who cope about Sony Japan putting SIE (aka the California people) 'back in their place' are delusional. This mentality is endemic in corporate Japan - the old stuff is not valuable, no one cares about legacy, be as shifty and litigious as you possibly can, etc.

I knew old Sony was truly dead when they killed their VAIO line.

But at the same time, I hate how "the retro community" are turning even run-of-the-mill CRTs into unobtainable gems, inflating their prices to ridiculous prices.

It can't be helped. The golden age of CRT production is nearly 30 years in the past at this point. Even high-end electronics that are kept in reasonably good storage conditions are not going to last forever. High-quality tubes are only really rated for 30000 hours of use, which is ~3 years of continuous use and we're at a point where even sets that saw infrequent use are starting to bump into that. It's more than likely that most of the lower-quality tubes are already dead.

tl;dr yes there's grifting and gouging but I do legitimately think the supply is dwindling faster than a lot of people realize.

 

[Cool Dog Returns]

TechMoan and LGR on suicide watch.

Looks like the mythical Sony PVM-4300 43" TV is real, and this guy got one. This one is truly a one of a kind CRT TV.

But at the same time, I hate how "the retro community" are turning even run-of-the-mill CRTs into unobtainable gems, inflating their prices to ridiculous prices.

Loved that trolling with the shitty chinesium emu "console", *chefs kiss*

Also fuck all the scalpers charging out the ass for even a shitty old CRT

This was a pretty good watch. It also serves as a good analogy on the state of Sony; they couldn't even be arsed getting an easy PR win by accepting a interview on legacy technology. What a fall from grace.

The playstation saved sony, without that thing they would be another sharp being sold to chinks

High-quality tubes are only really rated for 30000 hours of use, which is ~3 years of continuous use

Didnt know that, how depressing that all CRTs are about to die, thought those things could last forever with proper maintenance

 

[Susanna]

I do legitimately think the supply is dwindling faster than a lot of people realize.

The trend seems to be to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
9" CCTV monitor from a warehouse, burned in image of a corridor visible even when the tube is powered off, 500$ asking price.

 

[innocent jogger]

The food prices same crazy low though too.

Not necessarily. While they are certainly more reasonable than other places these days, the menu is pretty well constructed with low overhead; hot dogs and nacho chili/cheese pouches are still pretty cheap through distributors like Sysco (source: trust me, bro) and the shelf life on stuff like that is very long (so minimal waste or spoilage). I don't see anything fried, so no deep fryer to maintain (which also raises insurance). They are probably getting by with a conveyor pizza oven or two, some microwaves, one of those nacho dispensers you see in gas stations and maybe a gas stove. Add in $3.25 for what I am guessing is a cup of fountain soda and you can still turn a profit. Then add in alcohol sales and a good atmosphere...yeah it can work.

I mean, I would totally go to a place like that if there were one in my area.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I actually lived with these tubes for decades and somehow, don't miss them at all. Especially on the early ones my eyes just hurt so much after a few hours. Everything involving text was a pain. I remember spending evenings and nights glued to my Amiga monitor (Phillips somethingsomething, it probably costs 5 million dollars now, I threw it into the trash a few decades ago because it broke) and then looking up from the monitor and being startled how sharp reality was. I do not miss this at all.

 

[Migraine Box]

It's more than likely that most of the lower-quality tubes are already dead.

tl;dr yes there's grifting and gouging but I do legitimately think the supply is dwindling faster than a lot of people realize.

You'd be surprised how wrong this is. The vast majority of CRTs in the world were simply trashed/recycled well before their rated lifespans were up, and even the ones that survive have a lot of life left. I know a former professional TV techs that continues to service them as a hobby to this day, and it's a genuine rarity to find a tube that's proper dead from age alone. It's always either the flyback being cooked, the tube itself being physically broken (necked, usually), or something zonked out in the analog boards. The first and third being fixable (assuming it was a decently common flyback). Even really, really tired tubes still have a bit of life if you go easy on them, but depending on the use (like in an arcade cab) people would just rather toss the tube and part out the chassis than deal with it's dimness.

 

[Waff]

Just curious, do you guys think since the subjects broadened so much here to include almost all retro techtubers and or topics surrounding the hobby the thread should be changed to "vintage tech thread" or something like that?

 

[Ahriman]

More on topic,

TL;DW the tornado basically means he's run out of space. He's coming to terms with his hoarding addiction.

 

[double magicNum = 0.41;]

saw that guy tear an old floppy disk right out of the enclosure before doing the same to another, rare format presumably to drive up the collection value lol

 

[Waff]

Usagi Electric back at it again. It still suprises me he got so far as to get the bendix actually working but to then fix the typewriter then get the machine to play silent night is just mind boggling to me. Since he got one unit working, do you guys think now it will be easier to fix the second unit at the system source musem?

 

[Don Yagon]

Since he got one unit working, do you guys think now it will be easier to fix the second unit at the system source musem?

Pretty sure the memory drum was originally fucked beyond repair so he had to swap it with the one from museum, and that likely applies to a bunch of other logic as well. Doubt it'll get fixed anytime soon unless by some miracle a third machine shows up.

 

[Waff]

Pretty sure the memory drum was originally fucked beyond repair so he had to swap it with the one from museum, and that likely applies to a bunch of other logic as well. Doubt it'll get fixed anytime soon unless by some miracle a third machine shows up.

I mean yeah the memory drums fucked but im sure with having a fully working unit now the rest of the other machine is now signifigantly easier to diagnose. Hell sometimes when you have a fully working unit you don't even have to refer to a service manual and you just need to compare and contrast. Maybe the last parts a bit optimistic but I am sure you know what I am getting at.

 

[Jump]

It still suprises me he got so far as to get the bendix actually working but to then fix the typewriter then get the machine to play silent night is just mind boggling to me.

Ya I was really amazed someone came up with a hardware mod for sound. Later on when stuff like the PDP came out people would stick an AM radio near the computer and they would play music by running different sized loops to manipulate the RFI the machine put out. I thought for sure that was what he was going to do.

I mean yeah the memory drums fucked but im sure with having a fully working unit now the rest of the other machine is now signifigantly easier to diagnose.

The drum seems to be the heart and brain of the machine. Its how it does timing. Its how it remembers numbers for calculations.
Imagine how a more modern computer would work with out a master oscillator or ram. With out a drum that other machine is just a parts machine and display piece.

 

[SNEED.EXE]

The drum seems to be the heart and brain of the machine. Its how it does timing. Its how it remembers numbers for calculations.
Imagine how a more modern computer would work with out a master oscillator or ram. With out a drum that other machine is just a parts machine and display piece.

I think he proposed re-coating the damaged drum with a new oxide layer in an earlier video. It's just a question of how feasible that would be.
He has the advantage of his Texas compound doubling as a machine shop and having a working example of what the signals on the drum should look like.

 

[Waff]

The drum seems to be the heart and brain of the machine. Its how it does timing. Its how it remembers numbers for calculations.
Imagine how a more modern computer would work with out a master oscillator or ram. With out a drum that other machine is just a parts machine and display piece.

Well yes, but its a modular piece so it can be temporarily swapped back out for the working one. Maybe theres the chance of drum failure if thats done while diagnosing it, which in that case I get but otherwise the more machines are kept out of a scrap yard the better.

 

[Mikoyan]

I think he proposed re-coating the damaged drum with a new oxide layer in an earlier video. It's just a question of how feasible that would be.
He has the advantage of his Texas compound doubling as a machine shop and having a working example of what the signals on the drum should look like.

He seemed to imply when he said that about the drum, that people have worked out a method of recoating disk packs and they could use that.

I've never even heard of people trying that, and I can't find anything. It's an early system so surely it's possible to recreate the old methods but I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[Waff]

Is tripcode annorexic? It seems like hes now skin and bones. Transgenderism really did hit the nerd community like crack in the black community

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Is tripcode annorexic? It seems like hes now skin and bones. Transgenderism really did hit the nerd community like crack in the black community

How can you be so skinny and sound fat

 

[74164978231]

TechMoan and LGR on suicide watch.

Looks like the mythical Sony PVM-4300 43" TV is real, and this guy got one. This one is truly a one of a kind CRT TV.

But at the same time, I hate how "the retro community" are turning even run-of-the-mill CRTs into unobtainable gems, inflating their prices to ridiculous prices.

I watched this.

Thought the troll at the end was a little funny but after a minute something about it really started rubbing me the wrong way. I cant put it into words but the fact theres so many of these people with communities immediately trying to felate the dude(OMG JOIN MY DISCORD!) after proving he has worthless relic is bizarre. Then when you stop and realize the amount of time and effort the guy put into acquiring this again worthless relic.

Its like consoomerism but an esoteric form or something.

 

[#lurker]

I watched this.

Thought the troll at the end was a little funny but after a minute something about it really started rubbing me the wrong way. I cant put it into words but the fact theres so many of these people with communities immediately trying to felate the dude(OMG JOIN MY DISCORD!) after proving he has worthless relic is bizarre. Then when you stop and realize the amount of time and effort the guy put into acquiring this again worthless relic.

Its like consoomerism but an esoteric form or something.

The culture surrounding CRTs has degenerated, sure, but they aren't worthless relics. I'd rather play games on a CRT than any modern shit.