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Lmao, if that's their plan they're fucking retarded. It's just going to piss people off.
Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.
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Lmao, if that's their plan they're fucking retarded. It's just going to piss people off.
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People are already pissed. Like I said, it doesn't even have a fucking cart. Something the most basic bitch stores have.
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It looks like credit card fraud because of the lack of shopping cart. What is amazing about Pat's purchasing is it was 5 games.People are getting temp banned during a sale, possibly because their QA is so bad that making multiple purchases rapidly, because they don’t have A FUCKING CART, looks fucking weird. So devs are also apparently temp-pulling their games or upping the base price because Epic did the opposite of Valve and just did a blanket sale without asking the people that hold the rights to these games if they could.
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This company would be smoked without Xipeng's backing.
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lol, they expect to do a sale and flag your account for 5 fucking games. Fucking morons. This store would be DoA without Fortnite money.
Also, anyone defending this store is a dumb faggot or baiting. No shopping cart, no wallet, weak security that I had to change my password 3-4 times over the last month, doing exclusives in the shittiest way possible. Literally giving you free money, begging you to shop there. $10 off your purchase on us! (Just don't buy more than 5 games in a row, we'll lock your account for a week. Its actually intentional because we can't actually afford this sale, which is why we don't have a shopping cart).
Also, anyone defending this store is a dumb faggot or baiting. No shopping cart, no wallet, weak security that I had to change my password 3-4 times over the last month, doing exclusives in the shittiest way possible. Literally giving you free money, begging you to shop there. $10 off your purchase on us! (Just don't buy more than 5 games in a row, we'll lock your account for a week. Its actually intentional because we can't actually afford this sale, which is why we don't have a shopping cart).
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Wow that's fucking incredible. Why are people supporting this shitty store? They don't deserve another dime until they actually start focusing on getting their shit together instead of throwing around money like a bunch of assholes.People are getting temp banned during a sale, possibly because their QA is so bad that making multiple purchases rapidly, because they don’t have A FUCKING CART, looks fucking weird. So devs are also apparently temp-pulling their games or upping the base price because Epic did the opposite of Valve and just did a blanket sale without asking the people that hold the rights to these games if they could.Patrick Boivin on Twitter: "HAHAHA OH MY GOD THIS FUCKING STORE IS SO…
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uplay has a cart
let that sink in
ubisoft didn't fuck up that much in that department
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So in regards to Steam vs Epic in China itself, I decided to do a little digging as I was curious about how Steam operates in China. Funnily enough for the longest time Steam has been in regulated limbo that roughly translates to, as long as you aren't buying adult games or using the community features you can basically still buy and play PC games on Steam like anyone else. Though Steam is trying to have a regulated and official Chinese version, but as far as I can tell that hasn't been finalized yet.
As for Epic Store itself, apparently, Borderlands 3 will cost 10 USD in China and it shows a slash price of 80/100 USD above the 10 USD so this implies to me that this is an exclusive offer of some sort through Epic. Unless there's something in the text itself that I can't read.
So any ideas why Borderlands 3 costs 10 USD specifically only in China, and based on those slashed prices above the "Epic" price I assume it is only 10 USD on Epic? It is also worth noting that under the Chinese regulation system Steam could end up a worse platform then it is currently in China due to all the nonsense rules I skimmed through, which is why some PC gamers in China flat out don't want a real Chinese version because current Steam doesn't have to play by Chinese rules.
Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/china-is-th...ic-and-steam-but-why-havent-they-been-banned/
As for Epic Store itself, apparently, Borderlands 3 will cost 10 USD in China and it shows a slash price of 80/100 USD above the 10 USD so this implies to me that this is an exclusive offer of some sort through Epic. Unless there's something in the text itself that I can't read.
So any ideas why Borderlands 3 costs 10 USD specifically only in China, and based on those slashed prices above the "Epic" price I assume it is only 10 USD on Epic? It is also worth noting that under the Chinese regulation system Steam could end up a worse platform then it is currently in China due to all the nonsense rules I skimmed through, which is why some PC gamers in China flat out don't want a real Chinese version because current Steam doesn't have to play by Chinese rules.
Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/china-is-th...ic-and-steam-but-why-havent-they-been-banned/
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Because they have exclusive games. That's literally it. And they're offering 'free' games, games basically you could have gotten for a dollar or less. And basically begging you to buy on it by giving you $10, but don't you dare buy more than 4 or 5 games. Clearly, our store is so terrible someone must have stolen your credit card to buy that many products on it.
Here's a site offering Bayonetta for less than $5 right now: https://www.fanatical.com/en/
You know why sites like this exist and have official partners? Because most of the money goes to the publishers, even if you get a Steam key. I guaran-fuckingtee you the cut on this store surpasses Epic by sheer volume. And the Steam Keys it offers are free from Steam. People are like 'HURR STEAM IS CHEATING DEVELOPERS'. Guess what? Steam gets 0 money when you buy these games from official re-sellers, because you're allowed to make as many keys as you want. The cut on Steam is the reason steam can do that right now. Steam offers developer API, a ton of developer tools and shit for free. People only harp on Steam DRM, but Steam is good for developers, because they get infinite keys, can have a store page, and go to re-sellers which gives them a better cut than Steam does and have their game on sale, even if it isn't on Steam. Its a more round-about way, but you can do it. There are also sites that will inform you about official re-sellers and discounts:
Deals
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So yes. You can sell your game off Steam, to re-sellers who give you a better cut than Steam does. And Steam takes no money. And you can offer as many or as little keys as you want. For free. And Steam doesn't care as long as they are legit re-sellers and you aren't abusing it. I don't see Epic doing this anytime soon. Epic can whine about developer cuts all it wants, but there are ways to make more money on Steam. People are always looking for a deal.
So in regards to Steam vs Epic in China itself, I decided to do a little digging as I was curious about how Steam operates in China. Funnily enough for the longest time Steam has been in regulated limbo that roughly translates to, as long as you aren't buying adult games or using the community features you can basically still buy and play PC games on Steam like anyone else. Though Steam is trying to have a regulated and official Chinese version, but as far as I can tell that hasn't been finalized yet.
As for Epic Store itself, apparently, Borderlands 3 will cost 10 USD in China and it shows a slash price of 80/100 USD above the 10 USD so this implies to me that this is an exclusive offer of some sort through Epic. Unless there's something in the text itself that I can't read.
So any ideas why Borderlands 3 costs 10 USD specifically only in China, and based on those slashed prices above the "Epic" price I assume it is only 10 USD on Epic? It is also worth noting that under the Chinese regulation system Steam could end up a worse platform then it is currently in China due to all the nonsense rules I skimmed through, which is why some PC gamers in China flat out don't want a real Chinese version because current Steam doesn't have to play by Chinese rules.
Source: https://www.pcgamer.com/china-is-th...ic-and-steam-but-why-havent-they-been-banned/
Regional pricing probably. China still has a huge piracy problem still and they're trying to entice consumers. I don't know how the fuck BL3 is going to get past the censors. China has been cracking down hard on gaming recently, so the Chinese market might not matter after all. Maybe Steam isn't making a Chinese version, but trying to make the global version the 'legitimate' version and put Perfect World games on it. I've read articles where they don't want a censored platform there. Which is why maybe Steam is doing all these concessions for China, like hosting TI 9 there and removing a game off the entire store world-wide for making fun of dear leader. This makes sense only if they don't want a specific Chinese client. They want global Steam out of the grey area as is. I mean, if they wanted a regulated Steam, they could have easily done that by now. Its my suspicion Valve is aiming for 'Global Steam' to be the legit Chinese version, just with government thumbs up, which is why its taking so fucking long. Steam has to grease some palms to do this. Giving China tourism bux and showing respect to dear leader goes a long way. I have no doubt Valve knows it Chinese audience does not want a regulated client and is trying to get the global client approved as-is. Which is super-fucking hard, takes a lot of time and convincing. I don't know, maybe they're close to doing that so Tencent pushed Epic into China to compete there. Or maybe I'm wrong and they don't give a fuck and are trying to get a regulated client. But I really think if they wanted a regulated client, Valve would have already done it. I think, personally, they're trying to move Steam out of the grey area while pleasing their Chinese customer base.
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If it is regional pricing against piracy, why is Steam as we know it so popular in China with a following that everyone seems to know about despite Steam working for everyone country the same? That doesn't make a lot of sense, I think Epic just wants to capture the Chinese market as aggressively as possible as the PC gaming user base is absolutely massive in China due to past console regulations and China likes Steam too much because it isn't regulated like everything else is in China. Unless you're trying to imply that they'd pirate Borderlands 3 simply because it is an Epic exclusive.
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Yeah. Seemed appropriate somehow.
Well, you also have to figure that Randall Baseballtruck likes to envision himself as a pioneer and a rebel, of course he'd love to get an exclusive deal with Epic, it'll show those corporate bigots at Steam what-for!Because they have exclusive games. That's literally it. And they're offering 'free' games, games basically you could have gotten for a dollar or less. And basically begging you to buy on it by giving you $10, but don't you dare buy more than 4 or 5 games. Clearly, our store is so terrible someone must have stolen your credit card to buy that many products on it.
Here's a site offering Bayonetta for less than $5 right now: https://www.fanatical.com/en/
You know why sites like this exist and have official partners? Because most of the money goes to the publishers, even if you get a Steam key. I guaran-fuckingtee you the cut on this store surpasses Epic by sheer volume. And the Steam Keys it offers are free from Steam. People are like 'HURR STEAM IS CHEATING DEVELOPERS'. Guess what? Steam gets 0 money when you buy these games from official re-sellers, because you're allowed to make as many keys as you want. The cut on Steam is the reason steam can do that right now. Steam offers developer API, a ton of developer tools and shit for free. People only harp on Steam DRM, but Steam is good for developers, because they get infinite keys, can have a store page, and go to re-sellers which gives them a better cut than Steam does and have their game on sale, even if it isn't on Steam. Its a more round-about way, but you can do it. There are also sites that will inform you about official re-sellers and discounts:
Deals
So yes. You can sell your game off Steam, to re-sellers who give you a better cut than Steam does. And Steam takes no money. And you can offer as many or as little keys as you want. For free. And Steam doesn't care as long as they are legit re-sellers and you aren't abusing it. I don't see Epic doing this anytime soon. Epic can whine about developer cuts all it wants, but there are ways to make more money on Steam. People are always looking for a deal.
Regional pricing probably. China still has a huge piracy problem still and they're trying to entice consumers. I don't know how the fuck BL3 is going to get past the censors. China has been cracking down hard on gaming recently, so the Chinese market might not matter after all. Maybe Steam isn't making a Chinese version, but trying to make the global version the 'legitimate' version and put Perfect World games on it. I've read articles where they don't want a censored platform there. Which is why maybe Steam is doing all these concessions for China, like hosting TI 9 there and removing a game off the entire store world-wide for making fun of dear leader. This makes sense only if they don't want a specific Chinese client. They want global Steam out of the grey area as is. I mean, if they wanted a regulated Steam, they could have easily done that by now. Its my suspicion Valve is aiming for 'Global Steam' to be the legit Chinese version, just with government thumbs up, which is why its taking so fucking long. Steam has to grease some palms to do this. Giving China tourism bux and showing respect to dear leader goes a long way. I have no doubt Valve knows it Chinese audience does not want a regulated client and is trying to get the global client approved as-is. Which is super-fucking hard, takes a lot of time and convincing. I don't know, maybe they're close to doing that so Tencent pushed Epic into China to compete there. Or maybe I'm wrong and they don't give a fuck and are trying to get a regulated client. But I really think if they wanted a regulated client, Valve would have already done it. I think, personally, they're trying to move Steam out of the grey area while pleasing their Chinese customer base.
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Valve is as big as it is because of their business strategies, and while I don't like how they're a monopoly, they're unironically pretty good at keeping things civil. Stuff like greenlighting indie devs, the workshop, and everything else from QOL additions and easy to use interfaces (not all of it tho) tend to make it an overall more enjoyable experience. Lacking basic fucking functionality seems to be Epic's motto, and like someone said earlier, they're still around because of Fortnite money. They can't reliably expect to compete with Steam without adding an assload of other things first. This is just bread that was in the oven for a grand total of 5 minutes when it should have been 50 minutes, and then you stuck e.coli into it.
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You realize Steam has regional pricing too right? Hence 'global version' and why you can get your account banned if you try to set it as another country to try and get cheaper games. I remember people laughing at Valve saying they were going to break into the Russian market. They did, because they priced their games accordingly. Same with China. Its just region pricing.
People constantly complain that Valve is a monopoly, but Valve basically does things so well, no one really can come up with something better. The only real competition it has is GoG, which is why there are some old games on Steam, but not all that many. Its not even trying to compete with GoG. Valve's a monopoly because they do things right. They don't practice anti-consumer or anti-capitalistic practices. They are pro-consumer. I think people bitching about Valve DRM are autistic, but you've got GoG. You will NEVER get a mainstream store without DRM. It is not going to happen. It is simply not realistic. Publishers will not accept that. Valve is so big because no one has figured out a way to make a better product. Because it took Steam a decade to be decent. Don't get me wrong, it had some REALLY bad decisions, like paid mods. (To their credit, paid mods lasted about 24 hours).
Oh, Epic's store would totally be dead if it didn't have Fortnite money. Its only still a thing because of exclusives, not because its doing anything right. If your store doesn't have a shopping cart and trying to brute force your way into a market, you're not looking to make that market better. You're looking to fuck people over for money. The only way it will continue to exist is it buying exclusives. Without that, the store fails, period. If Fortnite falls out of popularity, the store fails.
Currently, there's no reliable data on whether exclusives are making money. My bet is they are only making money through the difference that Epic paid them. Which means Epic is going to continually have to shell out more money for exclusive titles and that gets expensive. Its not like a console, where you have great first party games to get you to go to it. These are third party type deals. Epic only has fucking Fortnite.
Also Steam is having a Warhammer sale called Skulls for the Skull Throne. Where you can buy more than one game at a time. And it has a shopping cart. And a wallet. And a wishlist. And a community market. And it won't lock your account for buying a handful of games.
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I just looked at the Epic Store Road Map. Shopping Cart. Greater than...SIX MONTHS. MORE THAN SIX MONTHS FOR A SHOPPING CART BOYS, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. Holy shit, they are a joke
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I'd like to know any reasons why it wouldn't be just better for them to fire up a Shopify account and just list every game on there.
Just wanna point out here that the Wii store had a wallet
Nintendo did an online thing 13 years ago better than Epic can today
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I'd like to know any reasons why it wouldn't be just better for them to fire up a Shopify account and just list every game on there.
Just wanna point out here that the Wii store had a wallet
Nintendo did an online thing 13 years ago better than Epic can today
Literally every single digital store does everything better than Epic. Even Bethesda's, and its a low fucking bar. That's why people are angry. There are no features and its trying to force you to use the platform. What Epic doesn't take into account is that piracy is a thing. Piracy on consoles isn't. Valve recognized long ago piracy was a service problem. Exclusives are a service problem. Any exclusive on Epic I'm interested in, I'll pirate. Because clearly the devs are being paid by Epic anyway, so it isn't like they need my fucking money. Well, that's actually wrong. I won't pirate it, because I'll just play other games. I mean, its a no brainer for me.
All the money in the store is going to exclusives right now. Like, literally every cent. They were trying to get Microsoft to get the Halo Collection as an Epic exclusive. It is rumored the PC version of Read Dead 2 will be Epic Exclusive. That's why its taking more than six fucking months for a cart, because any budget developing the store is being spent on buying more exclusives, which as I said, are getting costlier because the PR hit gets bigger and bigger every time one is announced. Oh, and if they offer you an exclusive deal as an indie and you don't take it and you want to put your game on Steam, Epic won't let you put your game on their store. This happened to one indie dev. That is how petty they are towards Steam. They're little bitches.
All I see is Epic blowing massive amounts of money. I'm honestly not seeing any returns here. Are they really praying year long exclusives will hold them? They're fucking delusional if they think so. Most games make most of their money in the first couple of months and then basically crater, unless you're an exceptionally amazing title, like The Witcher 3 or Neir: Automata. None of their exclusives even come close to those levels of quality.
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And the AAA’s might taking them for a ride in the process. I guarantee that Ubisoft still gets money for each “exclusive” even though they’re just using thr contraversy to keep their games in the public psyche. They still have Uplay, and there’s no way people that weren’t in on the hustle didn’t just go to Uplay over Epic. 2K/Rockstar still have the Social Club for Red Dead 2 as well. God Damn is Sweeney a fucking moron.
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They're definitely getting taken for a ride. Any AAA title that goes there, maybe with the exception of Metro, you can get on other services. Even 'The Outer Worlds' is still going to be on the Microsoft Store. Every Ubisoft game is on U-Play. I know people are like, 'Well, Tencent owns Ubi too!'. It actually doesn't. Tencent only has a 5% stake in the company, basically it was enough to stop Vivendi from its hostile take-over attempt. Its a minority position with not much sway. I mean, there might have been a better deal on Epic exclusives because of this for Ubi, but Epic still has to pay that money. Its not like a 5% shareholder can order them to put their games on there. Epic still has to pay for those exclusives. Tencent might have negotiated a better deal, but it still had to pay for them.
Compare that to basically 48% of Epic, where it controls capital and employee stock options and has executives and 'observers' assigned to the company. Its just enough so people can't technically say its run by China, but its run by China.
He really is fucking stupid, because he is not going to convince AAA's to abandon their own stores just to come to Epic. And those stores have been in existence long before Epic, so you can just go around. The only exception really is the indies and the Kickstarters, but those audiences already paid. And if they didn't, they're just going to get pirated. But he's blowing so much capital on these third party exclusives and destroying so much good will initially, that I don't know what the fuck they think they're doing. There was once an era where gamers tolerated anything, but that's really not the case anymore. And when has Epic made a good game? Fortnite was a money loser, and it becoming popular was basically an accident.
Compare that to basically 48% of Epic, where it controls capital and employee stock options and has executives and 'observers' assigned to the company. Its just enough so people can't technically say its run by China, but its run by China.
He really is fucking stupid, because he is not going to convince AAA's to abandon their own stores just to come to Epic. And those stores have been in existence long before Epic, so you can just go around. The only exception really is the indies and the Kickstarters, but those audiences already paid. And if they didn't, they're just going to get pirated. But he's blowing so much capital on these third party exclusives and destroying so much good will initially, that I don't know what the fuck they think they're doing. There was once an era where gamers tolerated anything, but that's really not the case anymore. And when has Epic made a good game? Fortnite was a money loser, and it becoming popular was basically an accident.
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Hoo boy more weird shit going on with Epic
https://www.spieltimes.com/news/borderlands-3-pre-order-pulled-out-from-epic-games-store/ https://archive.fo/vQhdX
https://www.spieltimes.com/news/borderlands-3-pre-order-pulled-out-from-epic-games-store/ https://archive.fo/vQhdX
Borderlands 3 Pre-Order Pulled Out From Epic Games Store
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2K Games’ Borderlands 3 isn’t available for pre-order on Epic Games Store anymore. The PC version of the game, exclusive to Epic Games Store, which was available for pre-order on the platform until now has been pulled out from the platform without any official notice.
It’s interesting to note that Randy Pitchford’s tweet regarding the sale has now suddenly disappeared. Borderlands 3 was on the store prior to Mega Epic Sale. The prices for the Standard, Deluxe and Super Deluxe editions were $59.99, $79.99 and $99.99 respectively. During the sale, the prices were $49.99, 69.99 and 89.99 respectively. However, at the time of writing this article, you can’t pre-order the game and all the Borderlands 3 pagesays is “Coming Soon”.
Not just on Epic Games Store, but PC Digital option on Borderlands’ official website has also disappeared. One user on Reddit wrote, ” It literally happened while I was clicking for checkout.”
First, Paradox Interactive pulled out Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from EGS Mega Epic Sale, providing the statement(to Kotaku), “We are in discussion with Epic regarding the temporary removal of Vampire: the Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from the Epic Game Store. The game will return to the store soon! Any purchases made while the game was discounted during the Epic Mega Sale will be honored and no Masquerade violations will be assessed.”
Soon enough, Klei Entertainment, well-known for Don’t Starve, pulled out Oxygen Not Included from the Sale as well. However, the developer hasn’t provided any official statement so far.
Neither 2K nor Epic Games have made any official statements regarding the pulling out of Borderlands 3. We’ve contacted both the companies to comment on the same. We’ll update this article when and if they respond.
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This is fucking hilarious. Epic is such a shady chinese...oh wait my paycheck just arrived.
Heil Epic! I love Epic! Download Epic! Steam bad!
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In a way I do think that having multiple clients in the PC gaming market is healthy for business and diversity, but at the same time it mostly forces the majority of PC gamers to choose one client and stick with it as they are too lazy to install and use a different game store most of the time.
Epic buying up exclusives/timed exclusives is a bold move and may help to strengthen their initial position when those games are eventually released, but damn some of the games they should've left alone. I feel bad for those people who preorder Borderlands 3 and Metro Exodus on Steam especially, as buying them as exclusives for a different market after already putting them up for sale is a dick move.
Legitimately the only game I used the Epic launcher for was Fortnite, to see how autistic it was first-hand. Honestly there's no incentive to keep using it after that. If China is truly spying on me through the client, then good luck as they won't learn much interesting stuff from an autistic loser like me.
EDIT: Forgot Apex Legends was Origin, not Epic. Whoops.
Epic buying up exclusives/timed exclusives is a bold move and may help to strengthen their initial position when those games are eventually released, but damn some of the games they should've left alone. I feel bad for those people who preorder Borderlands 3 and Metro Exodus on Steam especially, as buying them as exclusives for a different market after already putting them up for sale is a dick move.
Legitimately the only game I used the Epic launcher for was Fortnite, to see how autistic it was first-hand. Honestly there's no incentive to keep using it after that. If China is truly spying on me through the client, then good luck as they won't learn much interesting stuff from an autistic loser like me.
EDIT: Forgot Apex Legends was Origin, not Epic. Whoops.