This thread is so stupid and full of psuedointellectual bullshit that my brain actually hurts right now. I've read the first several pages and it's so much completely incorrect shit I have to correct it.
First of all, tencent is not a majority shareholder in epic games. They own 40%. If tencent wanted, they could have bought the whole company, because tencent is that wealthy. They didn't do that because they don't want to own the company: it's a TERRIBLE business decision for a chinese investor. If they owned epic games, they'd have to obey by chinese laws. This would not be profitable. Tencent makes money by buying large shares and leaving the companies to their business. Right now, just because epic has a chinese investor does not mean they have to obide by chinese laws, and they do not have to answer to the chinese government, they owe NOTHING to china, and they NEVER have to make their content available to the chinese. Epic is free to do as they please.
Wrong. Tencent owns 48% of Epic shares. The 40% comes from the combined Epic capital they control as well as employee stock options. They own just enough of Epic to not have this happen. However, Tencent has directors and observers inside of Epic. Epic is not free to do as they please at all. If someone controls 40% of your capitalization and employee stock options, has directors and observers, you are not free to do as you please.
If you think so, you're a fucking moron. Get your mouth off Tim Sweeny's cock and look at fucking reality. 40% of your capital is controlled by China. They've got 48%, oh excuse me, 48.4% of Epic's outstanding shares. No shit they don't own Epic because they don't want it to obey Chinese laws. They own enough to dictate it and control it, however. And if you're going to tell me that 'HURR IT DOESN'T' when Tencent controls 40% of their capitalization, you're not even worth talking to.
Tencent sometimes owns parts of companies or markets in video games and actually owns the rights to publish a version in China. For example, Tencent does this with LEAGUE OF LEGENDS.
LEAGUE. OF. LEGENDS.
Are any of you complaining about league? No? Then what the fuck exactly are you complaining about? Epic literally doesn't even offer to a chinese audience, and the chinese government has no say in the company. You know what company DOES offer products to the chinese? Valve. Yes, the company that runs your precious Steam is doing MORE for china than Epic is. So what exactly is your argument?
You said you read the thread, obviously your reading comprehension is shit because this is about exclusivity. And only faggots play League so they can get their data stolen for all I care. Oh, and why isn't League on the Epic store? That's right, because the Epic store brand is so noxious Tencent doesn't want to fuck up their cash cow with Tim Sweeny's irrational vendetta against Valve.
Valve is a US based company with no Chinese directors, observers and control of their capitalization. Every company on Earth offers their products to China, including the movie industry. They also pander to Chinese audience while Chinese companies do not own any shares or dictate what they can do with their capital. Stop strawmanning.
Epic is under no obligation to give data to the chinese government. Furthermore, I doubt the chinese government is very concerned with the gameplay times of a bunch of gaming nerds, the fortnite stats of a 12 year old, or even the fucking hentai on your hard drive. You're being paranoid here. The chinese hate japan and don't want to look at your goddamn japanese hentai, calm down.
But, let's just say you're right. Let's just say epic games is obligated to scrape the lolicon off your hard drive so that Xi Jinping can masturbate to it. So now we look at the dumb claims of the epic games store doing this. All of these claims that the software is "spyware" are backed up with literally ZERO evidence, and the whole claim was started on reddit (also with zero evidence), and it doesn't even surprise me that you mongoloids would be so inclined to believe reddit when it doesn't even offer a shred of evidence. Here's what we ACTUALLY know.
The epic games store looked at your steam friends without asking you if it could do that. If you decided to import your steam friends it was easy, and it just sent the data over. However, none of the data was sent to epic games servers UNLESS you told the client to. Even the people studying the client admitted that the client never sent the info, just collected it pre-emptively. Epic addressed this by saying this was an oversight and the client is still in early development. They fixed it so now the client doesn't even look at your steam data unless you tell it to. It also sends nothing, and has always sent nothing, unless you gave it permission. Considering this privacy issue was fixed (that never actually invaded your privacy anyway) it is now a completely moot point.
Nobody trusts China, nor should they. You want to trust a 48% shareholder, go ahead. 'Early development' fuck off with that shit. Nigger, a grandma with an Etsy page is more developed than the Epic Game store. Also, you want to trust big tech that's in a partnership with China? Go right the fuck ahead. I'm sure China never does any shady shit at all.
It had a fucking SHOPPING CART IN A ROADMAP. You are telling me to use this when it had a fucking basic feature of a store in a roadmap? This isn't 1992. You want to compete, you release a store that functions. Epic doesn't function. You can't play your games offline. You can't write reviews. You barely have a friends list. If you buy too many games it locks your account. Its leaked personal information to other users like Bethesda. It did its sale so incompetently developers panicked and had to pull their games from the store.
The second thing that everyone went crazy about is that the epic games client scans your processes. You know why it does this? So it can tell if you're currently playing a videogame in your epic games library. YOU KNOW WHAT CLIENT ALSO DOES THIS EXACT SAME THING? STEAM. OMG STEAM IS OBVIOUSLY SPYWARE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
And that's LITERALLY it. I've already done an independent analysis of the epic games client and my findings are that it's silent unless you load pages in the client, such as load the store. Then it loads the webpage, which obviously sends and receives data, because you LITERALLY FUCKING ASKED IT TO. The only "weird" thing that the client does is extremely briefly send/receive data when you open the settings menu. My guess is that the epic games client is either syncing your settings so that they're the same across multiple computers, or it's checking for an update, because for some odd reason, yes, updates are handled by the settings menu. So it's probably asking if there's an update available.
For the love of god people, if you're going to accuse epic games of spyware, at least don't jump on some stupid fucking bandwagon with no info. Do your research or test/monitor/reverse engineer the software for yourself. Quit being a bunch of retards.
Nigger, this thread hasn't been about spyware for over a month now. The security on Epic is pathetic. And your point is moot, nobody wants to fucking use it. There is 0 trust in the platform. Its had massive security problems in the past. And still does. Every couple of months or so Epic has to send me an email to change my fucking password.
You're spazzing more than anyone else in this thread. Sorry if I don't trust your independent analysis, Doctor Autism. I'll go with history and the shadiness of Chinese involvement in businesses over you.
Also, if it's unfair business practice to get publishers to offer games exclusively on your platform, you all better be raging at nintendo, sony, and microsoft. Because they have done that for fucking DECADES.
Also, if it's unfair to entice people with lower rates, and by people in this case I actually mean developers, then it's unfair to sway consumers with lower rates too, and by this case you can basically sue any services company for all they're worth.
Your arguments are stupid. Everything epic is doing has been "valid" in business since forever. They haven't done a single thing that hasn't already been done a billion times before to try to knock out a huge monopoly that they're competing with. These are all valid, longstanding business tactics that have been done by shitloads of companies before them.
If you're mad about the epic games store, don't install it. The games you want are all timed exclusives anyway, to my knowledge. You'll get them on steam eventually. If you've been a PC gamer for a while, you're used to getting games late anyway. You'll live.
Here we go again. Dumbfuck, those are all first party titles faggot. Your reading comprehension skills are of a mental fucking midget. Nobody is raging that Super Smash isn't on PC. Nobody is even raging at Origin having EA games or Ubisoft keeping all their games to UPlay. That's because they developed them. They have a right to restrict them to where they want to because they paid for them.
What we're saying is that the PC is an open platform and unless you're super triple A, first party titles being exclusive to a platform this is unprecedented in this business. Lower rates? Nigger, what lower rates? We don't give a fuck if developers get less of a cut. Why should I use a terribly designed, no feature, webpage instead of GoG, Origin, Steam or UPlay? While all games are cheaper literally everywhere else, and I have dozens of third party options if they aren't? Oh wait, you can't give me an answer.
People are pissed because Epic can't compete. It isn't designed to. Its designed to brute force its way into the market, deceive customers with anti-consumer practices and leech on Steam like a parasite, using the superior platform for free advertising before pulling products. Not to mention completely irrational exclusive decisions that make little to no sense, spending money which they'll never see again.
The point is, there is no reason to use Epic except for Epic doing shady dumb shit that will fail in the long run. Epic is bleeding money. Epic has no goodwill. Its business practices are fucktarded and make no sense. Its trying to bleed Steam when it just got into a partnership with Microsoft. It doesn't even have Cyberpunk 2077 on it yet, the most anticipated game of 2020.
And you still haven't given me a fucking reason to use it.
