Science Epigenetics and evolution: ‘the significant biological puzzle’ of sexual orientation - The ‘gay gene’ some touted as explaining widespread homosexuality in humans has not been found. Might epigenetics hold the answer?

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Last century, when things were a whole lot worse for gay people than they are today, there was a widely held notion that human homosexual behaviour was a choice, and that a homosexual person could change their ways and become heterosexual. For this reason, the occasional report of a “gay” gene was welcomed by many progressive people. The existence of such genes would show that homosexuality was not a choice but an inevitable consequence of development and genetics. Indeed, gay genes were perhaps the only example where many left-leaning people heartily embraced genetic determinism.
Awkwardly, like cold fusion, reports of genes that “cause” human homosexuality (and many other human behaviours) have failed to stand up to scrutiny – there is no “gay gene” in the sense that no one has identified genetic markers or genes that reliably predict sexual orientation in humans. Moreover, since homosexuality would generally be reckoned to reduce reproductive output of an individual, an allele (a gene variant) that directly causes homosexuality is unlikely to spread in a population.

Nonetheless, human homosexuality in both sexes is widespread, as it is across the animal kingdom. One study estimated that 3.2% of the Australian human population identifies as gay or lesbian, a frequency that is typical across the world. Despite the lack of genetic markers that are predictive of human homosexuality, the trait is highly heritable in the sense that siblings are more similar in their sexual orientation than expected by chance. However, the level of concordance between identical twins is surprisingly low.

Here’s an anecdotal example. I once had a friend who was the president of Gay Liberation in Victoria as a young man during the 1970s. “Fred”, now deceased, had a prominent scar on his forehead, a legacy of being beaten up in a country town where he had been invited to speak about his cause. (The burghers of the town were waiting to pick him up at the station, with evil intent.) Yet Fred’s identical twin was not gay. So much for genetic determinism. If homosexuality was solely genetically determined, identical twins should have identical sexual orientation.

The widespread occurrence of homosexuality in humans and other animals, together with its high heritability but unpredictable genetics and lack of genetic markers, is a significant biological puzzle. There are three leading hypotheses for the common existence of homosexuality in human populations, one based on kin selection, one on sexually antagonistic alleles, and one on epigenetic inheritance.
Briefly, the kin selection idea is that a gene that promotes homosexual behaviour can spread in a population if homosexual people contribute significantly to the reproduction of close relatives. Although this idea is plausible, the lack of any genetic marker that is reliably associated with sexual orientation is a strong argument against it.

The “antagonistic alleles” idea is that there are certain genes that are selected in different directions, that is, positively selected in males, but negatively selected in females and vice versa. Hypothetically, because no such gene has been identified, a gene that promotes testosterone production could be at a selective advantage in males if it promoted traits such as muscle development, risk taking, opposite-sex sexual attraction and increased sexual attractiveness to females. But if the same gene were expressed in the same way in females it might be disadvantageous for reciprocal reasons. This means that selection could pull in different directions in males and females, maintaining different gene variants in a population. By that I mean, gene variants that have different selective advantages in males and females can potentially coexist in a population because neither is unambiguously better. If so, sexual orientation may be more fluid than one might expect based on biological sex alone. (Well, “der”, I suspect you are now thinking, but please don’t shoot your even-handed messenger.)

Finally, we have an epigenetic hypothesis. Epigenetics is the transfer of genetic information between generations, which is not coded in DNA. In most mammals, male sexual development is determined by SrY, a gene on the Y chromosome. SrY codes a protein that interacts with other genes to reverse the default development of an embryo’s gonads from an oestrogen-producing ovary into a testosterone-producing testis. Thus, the short story of mammalian sexual development is that if a foetus is bathed in oestrogen produced by its default ovaries, it develops a female body. But if it is bathed in testosterone from its newly converted testes, it develops as a male.

Well, that’s a nice cut-and-dried story of genetic determinism, isn’t it?
I cheerfully taught it in my first-year biology classes for more than two decades, in full knowledge that the story is more complex. For example, if an individual’s testosterone production is defective, a genetic male (based on their possession of a Y chromosome and SrY gene) will develop as a female. Indeed, such individuals may be hyper-female, since they do not produce or respond to testosterone, whereas genetic females do both.

Even more extraordinary is a rare syndrome caused by a deficiency of the enzyme 5α-reductase. This enzyme converts testosterone to a more potent male-determining hormone. These kids, who are chromosomally male, are born with female-like genitalia and are often raised as girls. They then change to the male phenotype at puberty with its associated release of testosterone. Not only do male foetuses produce more androgens than female foetuses, they respond to it more strongly due to sex-specific epigenetic marks in genes that code for androgen receptors. Conversely, female foetuses produce less androgen and have reduced responsiveness to it. It is even possible for a genetically female foetus to have levels of circulating androgens in the male range but still develop as a female. So, while the primary cause of male bodies from female bodies is indeed SrY, other genes on the sex chromosomes can modify its effects.

The epigenetic hypothesis for the widespread occurrence of human homosexuality is based on the possibility of epigenetic inheritance of adjustments to a foetus’s testosterone sensitivity. Like most other epigenetic marks, sex-specific epigenetic marks are established anew in the early embryo following fertilisation.

Thus, most of the sex-specific epigenetic marks on genes that are involved in testosterone sensitivity are scrubbed off and re-established in a reliably sex-specific pattern well before the gonads become differentiated into either testes or ovaries. However, not all epigenetic marks are completely erased during embryo development, and it is therefore possible that there is some transgenerational transfer of epigenetic settings for testosterone sensitivity. This could affect sexual phenotype, sexual identity and sexual attraction.

This is a potentially important idea because it may explain the strong tendency for twins to have similar sexual preferences, but for this tendency to be no stronger between identical twins than it is between non-identical twins. This suggests epigenetic inheritance from one or other parent, but not genetic inheritance. If it were solely genetic, we would expect identical twins to be much more likely to share their sexual preferences than non-identical twins.

So, to the extent to which human homosexuality is the question, epigenetic inheritance remains a tantalising possibility.
 
Idk guys, seems to me that a trait discouraging heterosexual, reproductive sex wouldn’t be within the normal operating parameters of natural selection.

I’m on team “psychosocial pathogen aka grooming/molesting and subsequent normalization”
 
Idk guys, seems to me that a trait discouraging heterosexual, reproductive sex wouldn’t be within the normal operating parameters of natural selection.

I’m on team “psychosocial pathogen aka grooming/molesting and subsequent normalization”
It depends actually. Things like altruism, in the reproductive sense, seem from the offset to be purely negative. But persist because of their overall benefit to close genetic clusters over the benefit to the individual. So the gay disease could be heritable.

I personally doubt it though. It's just a malformed mental reaction to life conditions.
 
It depends actually. Things like altruism, in the reproductive sense, seem from the offset to be purely negative. But persist because of their overall benefit to close genetic clusters over the benefit to the individual. So the gay disease could be heritable.

I personally doubt it though. It's just a malformed mental reaction to life conditions.
Altruism is indirect, and you can visibly see the mechanism through which it could help the viability of a group. It also has limits, as in, I’ve never known of anyone practicing altruism who didn’t set some standards or conditions regarding who was invited to benefit. It could be argued that altruism is actually a power play, and that seems to be often the case of how it works out in the political realm.

Homosexuality is a very direct negative pressure on reproduction. People who are homosexual may have had kids before it became terminal, but after full-blown faggotry, they’ll be looking to adopt or pursue in vitro this or that. Normal reproduction slides off the table.
 
Altruism is indirect, and you can visibly see the mechanism through which it could help the viability of a group. It also has limits, as in, I’ve never known of anyone practicing altruism who didn’t set some standards or conditions regarding who was invited to benefit. It could be argued that altruism is actually a power play, and that seems to be often the case of how it works out in the political realm.

Homosexuality is a very direct negative pressure on reproduction. People who are homosexual may have had kids before it became terminal, but after full-blown faggotry, they’ll be looking to adopt or pursue in vitro this or that. Normal reproduction slides off the table.
You misunderstand; Altruism in the reproductive sense is where you don't have children, but people that are closely related to you do. The amount of children that are related to you increases over the cost of not having children. (r × B) > C. So if having a homo nearby means that you can have 6 kids, over the 2 and 2 you and the homo would produce, the homo 'gene' would be altruistic and carried on.
 
You misunderstand; Altruism in the reproductive sense is where you don't have children, but people that are closely related to you do. The amount of children that are related to you increases over the cost of not having children. (r × B) > C. So if having a homo nearby means that you can have 6 kids, over the 2 and 2 you and the homo would produce, the homo 'gene' would be altruistic and carried on.
Oh, ok. Even in that case, however, I think the potential benefit would be offset by proximity to AIDS
 
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Homosexuality appears genetic because it is the result of demonic influence, and is the subject of an iniquity. An iniquity is divine permission for Satan to tempt a specific person unusually intensely, to perform a specific sin. People who receive iniquities have a demonic tempter permanently take up residence in their bodies (demonic inhabitation) and the demon is informed of the person's thoughts that are relevant to the iniquity in question.

The key thing to remember about iniquity is this: that like genes, iniquities are passed down to one's descendants, unto the fourth generation. See Exodus 20:5: "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to [graven images], nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."

You can think of iniquity as God attempting to point out to you that you have a problem with a weakness to a specific type of sin that you need to overcome, or it will destroy you. In the old days, parents who caught their teens smoking would force them to smoke an entire pack of cigarettes so that they would get sick from it and never want to smoke again. Iniquities are something like that.

And because spiritually, the children are much like the parents, if the parent (or grandparent, or great-grandparent) has demonstrated a weakness for committing that particular sin to the point of having gotten an iniquity for it, then the iniquity is automatically given to the child as well. For the children share genes, environment, beliefs, and a pre-existing eternal spiritual nature with their parents (which is strongly influences the family that a particular child is born into in the first place).

Homosexuality is a particular serious sin that gives the iniquity of perversion, a category of sin that also includes incest, pedophilia, and zoophilia. This is one reason why homosexuality and pedophilia are so tightly linked. Another is that emotional trauma, such as from being raped, damages the spirit, weakening the ability to resist demonic influence. Of course the fact that both homosexuality and zoophilia are under the same iniquity accounts for a great deal about the furry community as well.

It's worth pointing out that you don't always have to commit the actual sin to get the iniquity for it; you can get the iniquity for a sin by masturbating while thinking of it. Thus, if you masturbate to furry porn even once, you now have the iniquity that leads to becoming a zoophile. The actual assigning of the iniquity is a matter of divine law and is handled by angelic courts (think of the book of Job). If the demons who come before the court and ask for the iniquity to be granted can present a sufficient case, and your own guardian angel doesn't have sufficient evidence (or skill at celestial law) to overcome that case, you are getting that iniquity. This court is what decides things like just how much of an animal the target of your lust has to be before you're considered a zoophile for wanting sex with it. With this in mind, it's not really surprising that anime has so many young-looking characters, and so many characters who are part animal or animal shapechangers such as kemonomimi.

To get rid of an iniquity, you need to repent of the associated sins that you have committed. Turn aside from your sins, make amends to those that you have harmed, confess your guilt to them and ask for their forgiveness, confess your guilt in prayer to the Lord offering up a broken heart and a contrite spirit, and ask God to forgive you in the name of His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Eventually, you will be forgiven. Once you are forgiven of the sins associated with the iniquity, pray to God to ask Him to take it away.

Because most people don't understand the concept of iniquity, or don't understand how to repent, and because iniquities persist unto the fourth generation, there are a lot of people who have inherited one or more of them and are unaware of it, and have to suffer through things like temptations to pedophilia their whole lives without understanding why. People from seemingly decent, respectable families can have multiple, terrible iniquities and not have anyone around them know it. My own family is one such case. No criminal record, no obvious serious sin, but we inherited the iniquities of perversion, pride, sorcery, and murder (hatred unto death also falls into this category). The iniquity of genital mutilation from routine infant circumcision without any good religious reason for it (dating back to the late 19th Century), and routine genital mutilation of the intersex, and genital mutilation as cosmetic surgery (hoodectomy, labiaplasty, etc.), has built up over generations in our medical system, and thus our seemingly respectable doctors here in America have become demonically-possessed fiends responsible for the abomination of transgenderism. And now you know why America was ground zero for the trans epidemic.
 
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