$ (ETH) Ethereum - ETH and the Ethereum Project General Discussion

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Hey! Leave the money skelly alone. What did he ever do to you?
I'm just curious. He hasn't dropped dead yet like Hal Finney (rip). I actually have a lot of fun reading about defi and made a couple bucks so I have nothing against him.

Hypothetically, if aliens wanted to give humanity knowledge discreetly, how would they do it? Maybe informing already talented scientists in their dreams, or hiding one of their own as a skinny Russian programmer or a Satoshi?
 
I'm just curious. He hasn't dropped dead yet like Hal Finney (rip). I actually have a lot of fun reading about defi and made a couple bucks so I have nothing against him.

Hypothetically, if aliens wanted to give humanity knowledge discreetly, how would they do it? Maybe informing already talented scientists in their dreams, or hiding one of their own as a skinny Russian programmer or a Satoshi?

Asking or answering these types of questions sounds bad for your health. I already drink too much, I have enough on my plate
 
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Maybe informing already talented scientists in their dreams, or hiding one of their own as a skinny Russian programmer or a Satoshi?
Aliens want us fat, docile and grain-fed. The exact opposite of Vitalik.
 
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I will preface by saying I have been involved with crypto for 6 years now, and I made the bulk of my fortune buying Ethereum under $20 and selling for bitcoin at 0.1 BTC/ETH around 2017. I have maintained a semi bitcoin maximalist position since then, but have over the last year started re-accumulating a small ethereum position, I also lock up a decent chunk of stablecoins on yield bearing protocols like AAVE and Curve.

Are there any ETH maxis here? Or posters who believe in the flippening? I never would have thought so a few years ago, but seeing the actual development on ETH is quite impressive, and DeFi already locks up around a quarter of a trillion dollars. I dont see ethereum disappearing and at the time of writing, ETH is still the dominant reserve currency of DeFi and is used to settle nearly all debts and collateral. ERC20-ization of bitcoin through centralized protocols like WBTC and RenBTC have exploded alongside DeFi, but these wrapped versions of BTC have yet to even make a dent towards replacing ETH as the dominant collateral on the network.

However, I cant get over the fact that ETH, for 8 years now, has had mutable and transient tokenomics, with promises of even more change down the road. It is also a fork, and is not even the oldest chain on the ETH network. With Bitcoin, 1 satoshi will always equal 1/2.1 quadrillionth of the network. The same cannot be said for 1 Gwei, and the implications of this shouldn't be underestimated. Therefore, if ETH is less "pristine" than bitcoin, according to the standards of monetary hardness, why would it win out? Blockspace on ETH is expensive because the demand for interacting with and deploying smart contracts is high, this has led to the rise of competitors like AVAX and SOL, which, no matter how centralized or VC infested they may be, do what ethereum is saying they WILL do at some given point in the future (minimal fees, proof of stake), so then why interact with Ethereum over say, Solana? They are both centralized, have muddy tokenomics, are not truly unbreakable, and serve the same function, so why not? These L2's are not competing for the title of store of value, and it is worrisome that many ETH holders already think the protocol is proof of stake..

Bitcoin is not the dinosaur, ETH is.
 
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At long last
 
It's coming at just the right time too, right around when dollar parity will be reached. The 32 ETH staking requirement will be well within reach for ordinary people.
 
Apparently Celsius' liquidity crisis is threatening its stack of stETH (staked ETH, what they are holding at a supposed 1-1 peg with ETH, although it has been trading lower). Archive

Celsius has been moving more than a quarter of a billion dollars worth of funds from Aave into the FTX exchange for reasons not specified, in addition to suspending withdrawals for users.
Crypto staking and lending platform Celsius may be dealing with its rumored liquidity crisis by unstaking $247 million worth of Wrapped Bitcoin (wBTC) from Aave and sending it to the FTX exchange.

Speculations among the crypto community are now flaring as the project has been moving massive amounts of wBTC, Ether (ETH) and other crypto assets, in addition to pausing withdrawals for users.

Celsius users have criticized the platform for how they believe the project has mismanaged its funds following the collapse of the Anchor Protocol on the now-named Terra Classic blockchain. The project could be addressing those concerns with the recent moves to stabilize liquidity.

Some think that if Celsius fails, it would sell its significant stack of staked ETH (stETH), which would cause it to depeg further from ETH. stETH is a token provided by the Lido decentralized finance (DeFi) lending platform that is given as proof that a user has staked ETH. It is currently trading about 4.4% lower than ETH.

Unusual token movements began at about 6:00 pm EST on Sunday from Celsius’s main DeFi wallet when it started removing wBTC from the Aave staking and lending platform, which Celsius used to earn interest on its deposits.


So far, 9,500 wBTC tokens, worth about $247 million at the time of writing, have been redeemed from Aave. Following a series of transactions, all of those tokens have been sent to the FTX exchange for an unknown reason.

In addition to wBTC, it appears that 54,749 ETH, worth about $74.5 million at the time of writing, have been sent to FTX.

While such activity bodes very poorly for the transparency of Celsius until it explains the moves, the firm may be trying to ensure its liquidity is stable by replacing many of the volatile funds like WBTC and ETH it withdrew from Aave with stablecoins.

Since Sunday, Celsius has staked 204 million USD Coin (USDC) stablecoins on Aave. It also has deposited 10 million USDC plus about 8.2 million Dai (DAI) stablecoins to Compound, another DeFi staking and lending platform.

The total 222 million stablecoins re-staked by Celsius is almost equal to the value of wBTC tokens it removed, but still does not come close to matching the combined value of WBTC and ETH.

The Celsius team’s plans with the crypto that have been moved are still not clear. There is a real possibility that it could sell the assets it sent to FTX, but another likely option is that it intends to stake the tokens they are sending to the exchange to earn yields.

As of the time of writing, Celsius has sent 9,500 wBTC, 54,749 ETH and 375,343 FTX Token (FTT) all worth $10 million. Moreover, it has 2,455 Polygon (MATIC), or $1,158, 260,000 Uniswap (UNI), or $1 million, 2 million Pax Dollars (USDP) and 300,000 TrueUSD (TUSD) stablecoins to FTX. However, token movements were still taking place by 11:00 pm EST.


Presently, Celsius users might be biting their nails in anxiousness because the platform paused withdrawals in order to “put Celsius in a better position to honor, over time, its withdrawal obligations,” according to an announcement from the project on Monday:

“We are working with a singular focus: to protect and preserve assets to meet our obligations to customers.”
Cointelegraph reported in May that Celsius CEO Alex Mashinsky deflected blame for the problems facing the platform, including rumors of insolvency, to shadowy opportunists on Wall Street.

Related: Bitcoin price drops to lowest since May as Ethereum market trades at 18.4% loss

Crypto investors are largely unimpressed with the new round of FUD coming from Celsius. The total crypto market cap has dropped 7.6% to $1.07 trillion over the past 24 hours. CEL, Celsius’s own token, has dropped more than 60% over the past 12 hours to $0.15. All prices listed in the article came from price tracker CoinGecko.
 
Apparently Celsius' liquidity crisis is threatening its stack of stETH (staked ETH, what they are holding at a supposed 1-1 peg with ETH, although it has been trading lower).
Celsuis also has a bunch of their reserved tied in in Eth2, which right now is making their liquidity crises much worse. With Vitalik calling for smaller holders to be made hole, maybe mainnet will be switched over sooner to release that eth.
 
Celsuis also has a bunch of their reserved tied in in Eth2, which right now is making their liquidity crises much worse. With Vitalik calling for smaller holders to be made hole, maybe mainnet will be switched over sooner to release that eth.
They really can't rush it though. If the mainnet merge fails, ETH dies like a sky diver without a parachute.
 
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They really can't rush it though. If the mainnet merge fails, ETH dies like a sky diver without a parachute.
I've researched this further and it looks like they're lending against their eth2 stake using yet another DeFi service to try and get around the lockup.

Not even having access to those coins will help them now.
 
No idea really, let's just hope it keeps on climbin'. 🚀

Also, are you guys also into ETH staking? how is that working for you guys?
Even at this point I've definitely made a shit ton more money staking Dot, but I got into that at a much better price and post crash I'm still pretty well above where I bought in.
 
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Even at this point I've definitely made a shit ton more money staking Dot, but I got into that at a much better price and post crash I'm still pretty well above where I bought in.
That sounds very interesting... tell me more.
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