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IceBeam

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Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity (I refuse to talk about this, so leave it alone), and read the CWCKI every few days, so I am by no means condemning anybody.

I am a very private person. I have no Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, personal website, or even Xbox Live account. If I were in Chris' position, I would kill myself. Now, while he did voluntarily reveal most of the material we have on him, it still must be hell to be in his position, just by virtue of the sordid details of his life that are extant online, not to mention everything else he has going against him. While he could be smarter- for instance, deleting his Facebook page or at least making it invisible- he is doing very good at avoiding the trolls (and us, the CWC community), by Chris standards. No more Youtube videos, no website, no more Sonichu comics (at least for now). It sometimes makes me wonder if we are what is holding Chris back.

Don't get me wrong- I know he is totally fucking himself still, just not online. But imagine that , by some chance, Chris cleaned up as best he could. Imagine that he practiced good hygiene, learned to socialize and overcome many of his autistic limitations (something that many, if not most autistics, myself included, eventually do), lost weight, got new clothes, and tried to get a job. With autism alone, he's got more going against him than most people realize. On top of that, his lack of work experience at a relatively late age. On top of that, his criminal record. But what I feel is the most significant obstacle in this hypothetical (and near-impossible) scenario is what is known about him online.

Admittedly, a lot of otherwise unremarkable people post a Youtube video that turns them into a meme. But Chris has a whole fucking Wiki, AND a forum, on top of the ED page. Even ADF- who to me is worse person- doesn't have that (the ADFki has been defunct for quite a while). I daresay that Chris would be better off with the lack of work experience and criminal record than with all this online publicity but minus those things. But instead, he has all of the above.

Nobody can deny that this is all a large impediment to the unlikely prospect of Chris ever doing anything with himself. He would have to change his name and assume a new identity to get anywhere, and remember, him taking a shower every day would be a feat. The CWCki itself states this several times, on various pages.

This seems doubly striking when one remembers the fact that the stated aim of many of the trolls, and the desire of many of us in the community, is for Chris to stop doing the retarded shit we all know him for and get a job and attempt to be a functional person.

I'm not calling for the CWCki to be shut down or anything. I'm not asking for anything to be done at all. I'm only asking if anybody else had ever considered all this.
 
IMO Chris turning his life around is a pipe dream, and Chris is a lesson in real life. He's not going to change. He rides the waves and doesn't move a muscle while the tugboat drags him along. He's not going to give in to your job guilting, in fact it strengthens his resolve. He's High Functioning Autistic and the Creator of SONICHU, he's above work.
 
I've said it before: all he has to do is start going by "Chris Chandler" instead of "Christian Weston Chandler The Creator Of Sonichu, Rosechu, and Cwcville". Try it yourself: the Google results all go away.
 
IceBeam said:
Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity (I refuse to talk about this, so leave it alone), and read the CWCKI every few days, so I am by no means condemning anybody.

I am a very private person. I have no Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, personal website, or even Xbox Live account. If I were in Chris' position, I would kill myself. Now, while he did voluntarily reveal most of the material we have on him, it still must be hell to be in his position, just by virtue of the sordid details of his life that are extant online, not to mention everything else he has going against him. While he could be smarter- for instance, deleting his Facebook page or at least making it invisible- he is doing very good at avoiding the trolls (and us, the CWC community), by Chris standards. No more Youtube videos, no website, no more Sonichu comics (at least for now). It sometimes makes me wonder if we are what is holding Chris back.

Don't get me wrong- I know he is totally fucking himself still, just not online. But imagine that , by some chance, Chris cleaned up as best he could. Imagine that he practiced good hygiene, learned to socialize and overcome many of his autistic limitations (something that many, if not most autistics, myself included, eventually do), lost weight, got new clothes, and tried to get a job. With autism alone, he's got more going against him than most people realize. On top of that, his lack of work experience at a relatively late age. On top of that, his criminal record. But what I feel is the most significant obstacle in this hypothetical (and near-impossible) scenario is what is known about him online.

Admittedly, a lot of otherwise unremarkable people post a Youtube video that turns them into a meme. But Chris has a whole fucking Wiki, AND a forum, on top of the ED page. Even ADF- who to me is worse person- doesn't have that (the ADFki has been defunct for quite a while). I daresay that Chris would be better off with the lack of work experience and criminal record than with all this online publicity but minus those things. But instead, he has all of the above.

Nobody can deny that this is all a large impediment to the unlikely prospect of Chris ever doing anything with himself. He would have to change his name and assume a new identity to get anywhere, and remember, him taking a shower every day would be a feat. The CWCki itself states this several times, on various pages.

This seems doubly striking when one remembers the fact that the stated aim of many of the trolls, and the desire of many of us in the community, is for Chris to stop doing the retarded shit we all know him for and get a job and attempt to be a functional person.

I'm not calling for the CWCki to be shut down or anything. I'm not asking for anything to be done at all. I'm only asking if anybody else had ever considered all this.

What are you suggesting we consider again?
 
IceBeam said:
Nobody can deny that this is all a large impediment to the unlikely prospect of Chris ever doing anything with himself. He would have to change his name and assume a new identity to get anywhere, and remember, him taking a shower every day would be a feat. The CWCki itself states this several times, on various pages.

This is where you lost me. I think you're massively overestimating the interest level of most people in Chris and his antics, or the CWCki and this forum. Seriously. In the few instances where i've shown Chris or the CWCki to people they usually just go. "oh... that's kinda weird." and that's it. they don't care. added to that, I seriously doubt that the CWCki would cost him a job or a girlfriend before his own behavior did.
 
Bgheff said:

I don't expect anybody to recall, but I started the thread "In Defense of A-Logging" a while back, so I'm no white knight, by any stretch of the imagination. To summarize my position taken in that thread, I think Chris is a terrible person whose actions are not one bit excused by his autism.

Nor am I holding my breath for him to do better. Better people than me have tried http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf7psvLQ884 and it went nowhere.

As I stated, I am not for shutting down the CWCki. I post on this forum sporadically, read it regularly, and relax nearly every night by reading the CWCki and having a few cans of reeb.

I'm simply curious as to how you all feel.
 
Humanity will evolve beyond our mortal boundaries before Chris changes.
 
spaps said:
Humanity will evolve beyond our mortal boundaries before Chris changes.

I wish you were wrong, but I agree.

I have no intention of contacting Chris or trying to help him. I have no confidence that he will ever do anything with himself, though I don't totally rule it out.
 
IceBeam said:
Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity (I refuse to talk about this, so leave it alone), and read the CWCKI every few days, so I am by no means condemning anybody.

I am a very private person. I have no Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, personal website, or even Xbox Live account. If I were in Chris' position, I would kill myself. Now, while he did voluntarily reveal most of the material we have on him, it still must be hell to be in his position, just by virtue of the sordid details of his life that are extant online, not to mention everything else he has going against him. While he could be smarter- for instance, deleting his Facebook page or at least making it invisible- he is doing very good at avoiding the trolls (and us, the CWC community), by Chris standards. No more Youtube videos, no website, no more Sonichu comics (at least for now). It sometimes makes me wonder if we are what is holding Chris back.

Don't get me wrong- I know he is totally fucking himself still, just not online. But imagine that , by some chance, Chris cleaned up as best he could. Imagine that he practiced good hygiene, learned to socialize and overcome many of his autistic limitations (something that many, if not most autistics, myself included, eventually do), lost weight, got new clothes, and tried to get a job. With autism alone, he's got more going against him than most people realize. On top of that, his lack of work experience at a relatively late age. On top of that, his criminal record. But what I feel is the most significant obstacle in this hypothetical (and near-impossible) scenario is what is known about him online.

Admittedly, a lot of otherwise unremarkable people post a Youtube video that turns them into a meme. But Chris has a whole fucking Wiki, AND a forum, on top of the ED page. Even ADF- who to me is worse person- doesn't have that (the ADFki has been defunct for quite a while). I daresay that Chris would be better off with the lack of work experience and criminal record than with all this online publicity but minus those things. But instead, he has all of the above.

Nobody can deny that this is all a large impediment to the unlikely prospect of Chris ever doing anything with himself. He would have to change his name and assume a new identity to get anywhere, and remember, him taking a shower every day would be a feat. The CWCki itself states this several times, on various pages.

This seems doubly striking when one remembers the fact that the stated aim of many of the trolls, and the desire of many of us in the community, is for Chris to stop doing the retarded shit we all know him for and get a job and attempt to be a functional person.

I'm not calling for the CWCki to be shut down or anything. I'm not asking for anything to be done at all. I'm only asking if anybody else had ever considered all this.

:alog:
Also inb4lock
 
i have a really strong suspicion that if the day ever came that Chris was truly and obviously trying as hard as he could to improve himself and move beyond his past, that not only would he have more people rooting him on than most of us would, but also that the CWCki would mysteriously disappear as well.

Call it a hunch.
 
Pikonic said:
IceBeam said:
Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity (I refuse to talk about this, so leave it alone), and read the CWCKI every few days, so I am by no means condemning anybody.

I am a very private person. I have no Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, personal website, or even Xbox Live account. If I were in Chris' position, I would kill myself. Now, while he did voluntarily reveal most of the material we have on him, it still must be hell to be in his position, just by virtue of the sordid details of his life that are extant online, not to mention everything else he has going against him. While he could be smarter- for instance, deleting his Facebook page or at least making it invisible- he is doing very good at avoiding the trolls (and us, the CWC community), by Chris standards. No more Youtube videos, no website, no more Sonichu comics (at least for now). It sometimes makes me wonder if we are what is holding Chris back.

Don't get me wrong- I know he is totally fucking himself still, just not online. But imagine that , by some chance, Chris cleaned up as best he could. Imagine that he practiced good hygiene, learned to socialize and overcome many of his autistic limitations (something that many, if not most autistics, myself included, eventually do), lost weight, got new clothes, and tried to get a job. With autism alone, he's got more going against him than most people realize. On top of that, his lack of work experience at a relatively late age. On top of that, his criminal record. But what I feel is the most significant obstacle in this hypothetical (and near-impossible) scenario is what is known about him online.

Admittedly, a lot of otherwise unremarkable people post a Youtube video that turns them into a meme. But Chris has a whole fucking Wiki, AND a forum, on top of the ED page. Even ADF- who to me is worse person- doesn't have that (the ADFki has been defunct for quite a while). I daresay that Chris would be better off with the lack of work experience and criminal record than with all this online publicity but minus those things. But instead, he has all of the above.

Nobody can deny that this is all a large impediment to the unlikely prospect of Chris ever doing anything with himself. He would have to change his name and assume a new identity to get anywhere, and remember, him taking a shower every day would be a feat. The CWCki itself states this several times, on various pages.

This seems doubly striking when one remembers the fact that the stated aim of many of the trolls, and the desire of many of us in the community, is for Chris to stop doing the retarded shit we all know him for and get a job and attempt to be a functional person.

I'm not calling for the CWCki to be shut down or anything. I'm not asking for anything to be done at all. I'm only asking if anybody else had ever considered all this.

:alog:
Also inb4lock

You are taking that quote out of context, and I think you know it. I said I would kill myself if I was in his position. Most of us would. I do not want Chris to kill himself.
 
You're fighting a losing battle here.
 
IceBeam said:
I wish you were wrong, but I agree.

I have no intention of contacting Chris or trying to help him. I have no confidence that he will ever do anything with himself, though I don't totally rule it out.

Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity

I'm curious how does this works?
 
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bungholio said:
You're fighting a losing battle here.

I don't see a battle. I never presented an argument, but simply a discussion topic. A few people here misunderstand my post, and maybe I was a bit vague.

Put in terms that even slow-in-the-minds can understand: "I'm just curious if anybody else in the CWC community has ever considered if/to what extent we affect Chris' life and the direction thereof, for good or bad. Sorry if it seemed like I had some agenda, but I thought that much was at least pretty clear.
 
Bgheff said:
IceBeam said:
I wish you were wrong, but I agree.

I have no intention of contacting Chris or trying to help him. I have no confidence that he will ever do anything with himself, though I don't totally rule it out.

Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity

I'm curious how does this works?

I stated that it was off-topic for discussion, and I'd like you all to respect that. I have no intention of breaking forum rules.
 
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