Ethical concerns

Holdek said:
IceBeam said:
Before I start, let me say that I have been in the CWC community for nearly a year, actually have a solid plan for prodding Chris back into activity (I refuse to talk about this, so leave it alone), and read the CWCKI every few days, so I am by no means condemning anybody.

I am a very private person. I have no Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, personal website, or even Xbox Live account. If I were in Chris' position, I would kill myself. Now, while he did voluntarily reveal most of the material we have on him, it still must be hell to be in his position, just by virtue of the sordid details of his life that are extant online, not to mention everything else he has going against him. While he could be smarter- for instance, deleting his Facebook page or at least making it invisible- he is doing very good at avoiding the trolls (and us, the CWC community), by Chris standards. No more Youtube videos, no website, no more Sonichu comics (at least for now). It sometimes makes me wonder if we are what is holding Chris back.

Don't get me wrong- I know he is totally fucking himself still, just not online. But imagine that , by some chance, Chris cleaned up as best he could. Imagine that he practiced good hygiene, learned to socialize and overcome many of his autistic limitations (something that many, if not most autistics, myself included, eventually do), lost weight, got new clothes, and tried to get a job. With autism alone, he's got more going against him than most people realize. On top of that, his lack of work experience at a relatively late age. On top of that, his criminal record. But what I feel is the most significant obstacle in this hypothetical (and near-impossible) scenario is what is known about him online.

Admittedly, a lot of otherwise unremarkable people post a Youtube video that turns them into a meme. But Chris has a whole fucking Wiki, AND a forum, on top of the ED page. Even ADF- who to me is worse person- doesn't have that (the ADFki has been defunct for quite a while). I daresay that Chris would be better off with the lack of work experience and criminal record than with all this online publicity but minus those things. But instead, he has all of the above.

Nobody can deny that this is all a large impediment to the unlikely prospect of Chris ever doing anything with himself. He would have to change his name and assume a new identity to get anywhere, and remember, him taking a shower every day would be a feat. The CWCki itself states this several times, on various pages.

This seems doubly striking when one remembers the fact that the stated aim of many of the trolls, and the desire of many of us in the community, is for Chris to stop doing the retarded shit we all know him for and get a job and attempt to be a functional person.

I'm not calling for the CWCki to be shut down or anything. I'm not asking for anything to be done at all. I'm only asking if anybody else had ever considered all this.

With his lack of work experience, the only kinds of jobs Chris can even get are ones who would never even bother to Google his name. It's a none issue for any of the work Chris is capable or performing, which are min wage jobs. He got fired from his only min wage job not from the wiki, but from his own terrible work performance.
 
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There's a lot of good points made in this thread but there's also a bit of bullshitting going on. The fact is that a lot of the trolling was and is unethical. So let's not pretend it isn't.

The trolling has resulted in interesting insights, entertainment, and [cwc]Laughs Under Lucricities[/cwc], and I admit I've enjoyed a grand amount of it so I'm not trying to be a moral scold here but come on, it was definitely at his expense.
 
Fine, make sure you light one where I can see it. Now, I want you to put it in your hand, I wanna see you get burned, you fucking dick. I want to see you see you get burned! I wanna see you get a fuckin' third-degree burn. [screaming] I WANNA SEE YOU LOSE A FUCKING FINGER!!! Oh, and after— After you, uh— After you, uh, burn it? Shove it up your ass. [pause] How does that sound, Chris? Sound like your idea of a good time? [long pause] Hey, Chris? [still silence] Chris, wait. It's important. Dammit, listen. You can burn the medallion or shove it up your butt: make your choice. [silence] Ah, interrogating autistics, it's so easy. It's so easy, especially with you, Chris. You. Dumb. Fuck. You make it all too easy. [long pause] Christian, if you don't answer me within the next five seconds, I am putting it on eBay and not sending Julie over. 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... Alright there, I guess— Hey, Julie, you're not gettin' the money, because Chris won't answer me.
 
Let me chime in - I've been involved with Chris for 5 years now, I've actually written large chunks of the CWCki, and I've pretty much seen first hand and behind the scenes of pretty much every trolling that's gone on with Chris. In other words, I know what I'm talking about.

Here's the thing - I don't like to pretend that trolls are ethical or doing right, which is why I don't really like A-Logging or trying to make Chris a bad person in order to justify trolling him. With very few exceptions though, most of the trolling is just fucking around, like calling Chris gay or screwing around with him by making him think people think another guy is the real Chris, stuff like that. I think Chris could easily stop if he wanted to but I think deep down, he likes the attention he gets from trolling. Trolling gives him a scapegoat for his problems, it's very convenient for him actually. Chris could easily stop trolling - change his phone number, delete his Facebook, and stop engaging trolls at all, and I don't mean making Facebook posts about how he's not engaging trolls but not mentioning them at all. I think one good way for Chris to stop the trolling would be to commoditize it - he could easily make money selling official t-shirts or medallion replicas, but he's too proud and narrow minded to do this sort of thing yet it'd stop the trolling because no one wants to laugh at someone who's already laughing at himself. If Chris admitted he was gay (I don't think he actually is, I just think it'd shut people up) and not in a "Haha, I was lying the whole time!" way, I think most people would stop backing off. But Chris is too proud, he'd rather see his girlfriend's toe get cut off than admit he was gay. What I'm trying to get at is that Chris could easily stop the trolls, people time after time have given him advice on how to do so, but he doesn't listen and I think at some level, he wants the trolls because otherwise he would be a very lonely, aging sad man.

I think the best trolling would be to not troll Chris at all, but the problem is that there's always going to be epic ween kids who are going to do stupid shit like call Chris up to yell "JULAY!" until the day he dies.
 
I've never been a fan of trolling Chris so much as simply observing him and the rather entertaining stuff he does on his own. I share a rare opinion in that I think a lot of the trolling was unnessecarry and Chris would've been just as funny without being constantly upset. I mean, seeing him rage about being gay gets old after the first time anyway. If he was simply encouraged to be who he was, I think we would've had more Sonichu, terrible parody songs, and love quests to laugh at, and none of them would require getting him mad over the same 3 things. In that sense, he'd be funny in an "Ed Wood" way, instead of a "someone from Jerry Springer" way. Multimedia so bad it's good.

However, "trolls" are not a singular, monolithic entity. There was always someone different coming by to bother Chris. Combined with his reaction to each of them, I don't think trolling was avoidable at all. What Chris is doing now (simply ignoring most of them) is what he should've done in the first place.
 
I can't top what Champ said, but I'd like to add this: despite the mountain of information on Chris available on the Internet, he could hide from it easily if he really wanted to. Shorten his name, dress like a normal person, and not stalk/rage online and the lack of new material would eventually make him an anchuent legend. Remember the Anarchist Cookbook? The exploding whale video? Sure you do... But you probably haven't thought of either since the late 90s. They're both still out there if you care to look, but most people don't anymore.

Chris could be this decade's exploding whale video. He made a hell of a splash in his own time, but faded into obscurity. And it's within Chris's power to accelerate the process.
 
Alan Pardew said:
Fine, make sure you light one where I can see it. Now, I want you to put it in your hand, I wanna see you get burned, you fucking dick. I want to see you see you get burned! I wanna see you get a fuckin' third-degree burn. [screaming] I WANNA SEE YOU LOSE A FUCKING FINGER!!! Oh, and after— After you, uh— After you, uh, burn it? Shove it up your ass. [pause] How does that sound, Chris? Sound like your idea of a good time? [long pause] Hey, Chris? [still silence] Chris, wait. It's important. Dammit, listen. You can burn the medallion or shove it up your butt: make your choice. [silence] Ah, interrogating autistics, it's so easy. It's so easy, especially with you, Chris. You. Dumb. Fuck. You make it all too easy. [long pause] Christian, if you don't answer me within the next five seconds, I am putting it on eBay and not sending Julie over. 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... Alright there, I guess— Hey, Julie, you're not gettin' the money, because Chris won't answer me.
Blue spike's, what, 18 or so now? I wonder how he feels knowing he said this to a lovestruck autistic.
 
When I said I don't see anything wrong with what we are doing, I meant this forum btw, just talking about him, not trolling.
 
Chris is always hilarious when he trolls himself.

Proof: 2013 Imgur Leak.
 
Alan Pardew said:
Chris is always hilarious when he trolls himself.

Proof: 2013 Imgur Leak.

:lol:

It is pretty funny that he linked to the leak while expressing his anger in a public FB update.
 
ALL OF YOU POLLS CONTINUED TO STAND IN MY WAY!!!111ONE
 
KatsuKitty said:
share a rare opinion in that I think a lot of the trolling was unnessecarry and Chris would've been just as funny without being constantly upset.
The stuff with Megan, getting himself banned from the GAMe PlACe, and the legal trouble involving Mike Snyder would probably have all happened even if the trolls had never found him.
 
The active trolling of Chris is something I'm not comfortable with, and the whole Bluespike situation went way across the line, imo. But I didn't know anything about Chris at that time. I only found out about Chris last year. I follow Chris the same way others follow celebrities. I'm curious about what he's up to, how his life is going, etc., and I don't think there's a need to actively troll Chris. He does it to himself.

I have no ethical dilemmas with this forum, or with the CWCki itself, because Chris is a Web celeb, and there are plenty of sites and forums about celebrities.
 
somejerk said:
KatsuKitty said:
share a rare opinion in that I think a lot of the trolling was unnessecarry and Chris would've been just as funny without being constantly upset.
The stuff with Megan

If it wasn't for ED he wouldn't have done that.
 
Holdek said:
somejerk said:
KatsuKitty said:
share a rare opinion in that I think a lot of the trolling was unnessecarry and Chris would've been just as funny without being constantly upset.
The stuff with Megan

If it wasn't for ED he wouldn't have done that.

No, but he would have just as soon done some other damn fool thing with her that resulted in her having to cut off contact. Him getting kicked out of The Game PLace could have been the last fucking straw for her, and that was a 100% troll-free incident. He uploaded that dirty fucking drawing of her to ED without being told to, he would have put it online eventually. Trolling only sometimes make bad events occur for him maybe 5-10% faster. Who here would have guessed that he almost got arrested twice this past weekend? That's bad shit to happen to anyone and once again, 100% troll-free. You could say he is angry over being trolled, resulting in him throwing caution to the fucking wind and going ape-shit with anger, but he had these issues before Da Twolls discovered him. Adam Stackhouse comes to mind. The Damn Dirty Jew Michael Snyder, King of The Trolls, has nothing to do with the fucking trolls.

ABL said in another thread something like "Trolls simply gave Chris a name for a problem that had long existed prior".
 
My previously submitted PaRapper the Rapper "Master Onion A-La Mode" Video is among the TOP TEN to win the GRAND PRIZE.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!! That stupid, no-good ADAM STACKHOUSE won the trip!!! He had MUSIC and MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN HIS VIDEO, which were in VIOLATION OF THE OFFICIAL RULES!!!!!! Three other videos out of the remaining nine: APRELEWSKY, BRUDELL AND SURYABUCHWALD, ALL VIOLATED THE OFFICIAL RULES AS WELL! THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE OF THOSE FOUR VIDEOS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED, PERIOD!!!! I am sooooooooooooooooooo ANGRY of the fact that the Playstation company and their Promotional Associates WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO BRING THOSE VIOLATORS TO JUSTICE!!!! Go to http://www.us.playstation.com/, and register the complaint, in addition to my own, through their "Contact Us" link. So that SWORN ON MY AUTISM, JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED TO THE SEVEN PEOPLE OF THOSE FOUR VIDEOS!!!!


I wonder if Chris still thinks that Adam Stackhouse is involved in the trolling.
 
Alan Pardew said:
My previously submitted PaRapper the Rapper "Master Onion A-La Mode" Video is among the TOP TEN to win the GRAND PRIZE.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!! That stupid, no-good ADAM STACKHOUSE won the trip!!! He had MUSIC and MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN HIS VIDEO, which were in VIOLATION OF THE OFFICIAL RULES!!!!!! Three other videos out of the remaining nine: APRELEWSKY, BRUDELL AND SURYABUCHWALD, ALL VIOLATED THE OFFICIAL RULES AS WELL! THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE OF THOSE FOUR VIDEOS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED, PERIOD!!!! I am sooooooooooooooooooo ANGRY of the fact that the Playstation company and their Promotional Associates WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO BRING THOSE VIOLATORS TO JUSTICE!!!! Go to http://www.us.playstation.com/, and register the complaint, in addition to my own, through their "Contact Us" link. So that SWORN ON MY AUTISM, JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED TO THE SEVEN PEOPLE OF THOSE FOUR VIDEOS!!!!


I wonder if Chris still thinks that Adam Stackhouse is involved in the trolling.

Actual the smoker that Chris backed into was hired by Adam to be right there.
 
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