Euphoric atheists

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How many of them are contrarians that just have a petty grudge with christianity because of their parents telling them to get of their asses and go to church or something among those lines? Or that try to "stick it to the man" by saying "religion bad"? (Like these were the middle ages).
I'm fairly sure most edgy internet atheists were dragged to church too often as a kid and they never let it go.

They don't really engage with Christianity beyond a surface level "look what Bible says why don't Christians read the Bible" viewpoint.
 
I'm fairly sure most edgy internet atheists were dragged to church too often as a kid and they never let it go.

They don't really engage with Christianity beyond a surface level "look what Bible says why don't Christians read the Bible" viewpoint.
They got their D&D or Harry Potter taken away as kids so now they hate God and their dad.
 
I think I’ve found us a new euphoric.
Meet Brian Baker aka “Nonsense From The Bible” (taken from the title of one of his books) aka “No More Make Believe” (coincidently also the name of a now defunct atheist Facebook group). An ex-christian & author of two books; From Faith to Reason and as I’ve mentioned above, Nonsense from the Bible (the title alone makes it sound like it’s desperately trying to emulate The God Delusion, but then again, what atheist book doesn’t)

Here’s a few choice memes he’s posted, which knowing these lot, are presumably taken way out of context;
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This one just seems like a thinly-veiled justification/promotion of materialism & avarice.
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And this one’s just plain childish.

I don’t think there was any point in Muslim history (except maybe for the pre-Islamic period but since we know next to nothing about the religion/s that came before Islam , we can’t say for sure) where they were accepting of homosexuality since the Koran is a hellva lot more clear on its anti-gay stance than the Old Testament.
Could he've opted for a more boomerish format? These images look like they were slapped together in 1999.
 
I don’t think there was any point in Muslim history (except maybe for the pre-Islamic period but since we know next to nothing about the religion/s that came before Islam , we can’t say for sure) where they were accepting of homosexuality since the Koran is a hellva lot more clear on its anti-gay stance than the Old Testament.
No, they actually were pretty accepting, but again, their concept of sexuality was different from ours and to be honest the age differences of those relationships would be shocking to modern people, but were considered normal in most ancient cultures. For example, homoerotica was quite normal in Medieval Muslim times. The reason for the higher acceptance was because of the Northern Middle Eastern influence and later on Ottoman influence. The negativity towards homosexual behaviour is quite recently and correlated with the stronger influence of Wahabbi/Salafi Islam from Saudi Arabia, in certain parts the legal code from colonial powers and the idea that most Muslim countries are now poor because they weren't strict enough about topics like sexuality, music and drugs like alcohol. The parts condemning homosexual behaviour in the Quran are few , the same way the Bible doesn't mention sexuality that much. The Hadiths, however, are in general more strict and more punishing about so-called "zina" (legel term describing unlawful sexual actions). So the situation is/was quite contradictory, but this doesn't change the fact that Medieval Muslims (and also Medieval Christians) were often more lenient about unlawful behaviour. We often think that we can infer a religion's view about certain topics by just looking at the last 100 - 200 years, without realizing that views about almost anything can change quickly. The woke revolution in the West should be proof enough that a culture can change so fast that it is sometimes hard to believe for me that the former hipster racist Vice magazine 15 years ago should actually be the same woke internet magazine that it is today.
Examples for open homosexual/homoromantic behaviour are abundant , even though quite different from culture to culture. For example, Mahmud of Ghazni had a much younger slave-lover who was originally from Georgia, called Malik Ayaz. There is even a painting of them:

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A lot of poetry was written of their love story, but modern Muslim scholars censore those and claim that Malik Ayaz was just a very loyal companion, even though their relationship was considered to be a deep romantic relationship over centuries. But again, this doesn't mean that Mahmud of Ghazni didn't marry. He actually married a woman and had two sons as far as I know, but kept Malik as his love interest.

This is also what I found from a Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

Societies in Islam have recognized "both erotic attraction and sexual behavior between members of the same sex". However, their attitudes about them have often been contradictory: "severe religious and legal sanctions" against homosexual behavior and at the same time "celebratory expressions" of erotic attraction. Homoeroticism was idealized in the form of poetry or artistic declarations of love from one man to another. Accordingly, the Arabic language had an appreciable vocabulary of homoerotic terms, with dozens of words just to describe types of male prostitutes. Schmitt (1992) identifies some twenty words in Arabic, Persian, and Turkish to identify those who are penetrated. Other related Arabic words includes mukhannathun, ma'bûn, halaqī, and baghghā.

There is little evidence of homosexual practice in Islamic societies for the first century and a half of the Islamic era. Homoerotic poetry appears suddenly at the end of the 8th century CE, particularly in Baghdad in the work of Abu Nuwas (756–814), who became a master of all the contemporary genres of Arabic poetry The famous author Jahiz tried to explain the abrupt change in attitudes toward homosexuality after the Abbasid Revolution by the arrival of the Abbasid army from Khurasan, who are said to have consoled themselves with male pages when they were forbidden to take their wives with them. The increased prosperity following the early conquests was accompanied by a "corruption of morals" in the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina, and it can be inferred that homosexual practice became more widespread during this time as a result of acculturation to foreign customs, such as the music and dance practiced by mukhannathun, who were mostly foreign in origin. The Abbasid ruler Al-Amin (809–813) was said to have required slave women to be dressed in masculine clothing so he could be persuaded to have sex with them, and a broader fashion for ghulamiyyat (boy-like girls) is reflected in literature of the period.The same was said of Andalusian caliph al-Hakam II (915–976).

The conceptions of homosexuality found in classical Islamic texts resemble the traditions of classical Greece and those of ancient Rome, rather than the modern understanding of sexual orientation. It was expected that many mature men would be sexually attracted to both women and adolescent boys (with different views about the appropriate age range for the latter), and such men were expected to wish to play only an active role in homosexual intercourse once they reached adulthood. However, any confident assessment of the actual incidence of homosexual behavior remains elusive. Preference for homosexual over heterosexual relations was regarded as a matter of personal taste rather than a marker of homosexual identity in a modern sense. While playing an active role in homosexual relations carried no social stigma beyond that of licentious behavior, seeking to play a passive role was considered both unnatural and shameful for a mature man. Following Greek precedents, the Islamic medical tradition regarded as pathological only this latter case, and showed no concern for other forms of homosexual behavior.



And then some overview how the view changed in the last 200 - 300 years:

The 18th and 19th centuries saw the rise of Islamic fundamentalism such as Wahhabism, which came to call for stricter adherence to the Hadith. In 1744, Muhammad bin Saud, the tribal ruler of the town of Diriyah, endorsed ibn Abd al-Wahhab’s mission and the two swore an oath to establish together a state run according to true Islamic principles. For the next seventy years, until the dismantlement of the first state in 1818, the Wahhabis dominated from Damascus to Baghdad. Homosexuality, which had been largely tolerated in the Ottoman Empire, also became criminalized, and those found guilty were thrown to their deaths from the top of the minarets.

According to Georg Klauda, in the 19th and early 20th century, homosexual sexual contact was viewed as relatively commonplace in parts of the Middle East, owing in part to widespread sex segregation, which made heterosexual encounters outside marriage more difficult. Klauda states that "Countless writers and artists such as André Gide, Oscar Wilde, Edward M. Forster, and Jean Genet made pilgrimages in the 19th and 20th centuries from homophobic Europe to Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, and various other Arab countries, where homosexual sex was not only met without any discrimination or subcultural ghettoization whatsoever, but rather, additionally as a result of rigid segregation of the sexes, seemed to be available on every corner." Views about homosexuality have never been universal all across the Islamic world. With reference to the Muslim world more broadly, Tilo Beckers writes that "Besides the endogenous changes in the interpretation of scriptures having a deliberalizing influence that came from within Islamic cultures, the rejection of homosexuality in Islam gained momentum through the exogenous effects of European colonialism, that is, the import of Western cultural understandings of homosexuality as a perversion." University of Münster professor Thomas Bauer points that even though there were many orders of stoning for homosexuality, there is not a single proven case of it being carried out. Bauer continues that "Although contemporary Islamist movements decry homosexuality as a form of Western decadence, the current prejudice against it among Muslim publics stems from an amalgamation of traditional Islamic legal theory with popular notions that were imported from Europe during the colonial era, when Western military and economic superiority made Western notions of sexuality particularly influential in the Muslim world."


Btw, by no means I'm trying to make a moral argument here for one side or the other. I just want to show that moral attitudes can change very quickly and that even religious scripture isn't immune to prevailing cultural norms.
 
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Atheist angry about prayers of random old lady.
That feeling when the old boomer btfos you by just being a decent human who wants those missionaries back and safe. I love the second post that retard threw at her; I get the feeling he probably did one or two more afterwards because he's mad HE CAN'T WIN.

Ignoring of course it takes a big retard to turn "Aww I'm happy they're coming back safe" into a debate on theology where they don't know enough on theology to win.
 
Our very own @WogglebugLover is staunchly euphoric. She is a director/writer and by that, I mean she produces fanfiction.

Like most bad writers, she can't withhold her personal beliefs for even a minute, so she uses her chosen characters as soapboxes. A lot of the time, it's children's characters she uses to promote her Atheism. Just the other night, I was digging into my stash of bad fanfiction when I rediscovered this thing she wrote a while back. Her fanfiction.net bio alone is worth a mention in this thread (if she hasn't been mentioned already).
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The story is admittedly old, but she herself hasn't changed much over the last decade so there's no worries. It is called "Celebrating Solstice with E.T." and its description reads as such:
Elliot and family invite E.T. to spend the holidays with them. When he visits the Earth for the second time he learns much more about the world of humans, while at the same time also teaching the humans a lot. Including the actual meaning behind their holiday and history, and how they have nothing whatever to do with any religion.
It's egregiously long for its premise and it's a boring autismo snoozefest, but it gets interesting at chapter 7. I don't have screenshotting capabilities to capture this entire chapter, but I have an archive.

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It begins with E.T watching the local news and it's so hammy and over-the-top you'd swear it's parody, but it's not. She has shown time and time again that she doesn't understand sarcasm. Her portrayal of this Christian/Catholic news reporter is sincere.
Later in the evening E.T. came out of the closet and found Mary in the living room as she was on the couch sitting perfectly still and staring straight ahead at the television set looking about as stone faced as could be imagined. E.T. felt very curious as he listened to the news stories that were being broadcast through the television set.

"Talk about a Holiday scare," a reporter was speaking. "A couple comes home to discover crooks in their living room trying to rip them off. The duo of thieves wearing ski masks held the victims at gun point as they took off with the goods. They quickly got away. Now police are in search of the Christmas Eve bandits."

E.T. felt most disheartened at hearing this report for now he knew what the word bandit meant. Before he had assumed it to mean something good because it was a B word which had been the first letter he had learned, so now to learn it meant crooked thieves who ripped other people's good off of them was from troubling for him.

The reporter went on to the next story, "A little boy is still hanging on tonight after he was found in the bottom of a pond yesterday. The two-year-old is in critical condition in Children's Hospital, and we told you yesterday he had wandered off from his parents at Bay Side and neighbors found him in the water. The Rescue Crew said he had been underwater for three minutes"

The broadcast shifted to show the image of a small toddler laying very still in a hospital bed with an almost ghostly pale complexion. E.T.'s tender heart went out to the child and he lit his forefinger as he aimed it at the television screen and whispered "Heal." However, before he could see if it took the desired effect the picture shifted again to the reporter continuing on with the next story.

"A Ukrainian Plane goes down over at Iran with fatal consequences. All forty-six people aboard the plane were killed as the plane crashed in the mountainous region as the plane prepared to land. Most of those aboard were Ukrainian and Russian scientists who were reportedly traveling to Iran to watch the maiden flight of joint Ukrainian/Iranian built passenger plane. There is no word yet on the cause of the crash."

E.T. found this news report to be even more disturbing than the other two for it dealt with the actual deaths of forty-six people and it also reminded him of how careless and clumsy human beings could be in building and flying their aircraft. In the rest of the Universe there were rarely any such crash landings, with such exceptions as the Cealan crashing onto Earth's Roswell region of about forty years ago.

He looked up at Mary and found himself wondering how she could manage to remain so stone faced at all these depressing reports the newscast kept giving. He pondered if it might have had to do with her having already experienced something to cause her much greater suffering. Then another newscast began.

"You won't find a lot of Christmas spirit in the town of Bethlehem this year which is being occupied by Israeli troops. There is no tree in Manger Square, no bells, no holly, and few tourists. Many in the region aren't happy about the condition."

"The people, they don't feel happy, you know, because the situation here is very bad,"
said a woman who was being interviewed.

"Today the Latin patriarch and a procession of people made the annual journey from Jerusalem to the Church of the Nativity and were greeted by Palestinian boy scouts carrying Palestinian flags," the reporter went on. Then the scene shifted to an old man wearing a long white robe with a big golden cross in the middle who was apparently addressing the congregation of people before him who were as stiff and as stone faced as Mary currently was. In the background there was the image of what looked like a miniature wooden house with a man and woman were long sagging robes in front of it kneeling over a tiny infant laying in a what looked like a wooden cradle filled with straw.

"I welcome all you naughty sinners on this blessed day of the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who as you all know, and to Hell with you if you don't, died for you, each and every one of you even though it was long before your time and you had essentially nothing to do with his murdering it is still all your faults as you have all inherited the unforgivably nasty selfishness of Adam and Eve of whom you all descended from six thousand years ago when they ate of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden because they were childish enough to believe that having knowledge was good for them. You forced your Heavenly Father to condemn you and all of your children to the Lake of Eternal Fire but you were all saved turned himself into a baby and saved you all for he loves you all even though none of you deserve it at all!"

This was something which E.T. had never seen before and never heard before and he cringed as he listened to the old man's words which made his sensitive ears burn. How could he stand there telling those poor people lies that were so blatantly false he must surely know they were not true himself. For one thing the Earth was in reality 6.5 billion years old not six thousand and he knew this because his ancestors had watched the Earth form and grow from its beginning, and planets only a few thousand years old were too young support life on land. For another there are no such things as Saviors for Earth or any other planet for the matter for if Earth had one there would have been no need for his and other intergalactic colonies to make trips to Earth and try to research as much as they could of it and its inhabitants to save it from destruction.

He began to think about the children of the Earth, especially Elliot, and their being exposed to these outlandish atrocities and how they shouldn't believe that they were guilty of committing a crime before they were even born and spend their lives trying to make up for it or paying for it for it would stifle their growth and damage their mental awareness. He knew he could never let this happen to the children whom he loved and had done so much for him and he began trying to think of a way to prevent this from happening, and the very idea of how to came to him.

He trotted out of the room with Mary still taking no notice of his presence and went to look for Elliot. He hauled himself up the stairs to look for Elliot in his room. Once in there he found no trace of him and then it somehow occurred to him to look out the window and when he did he found him sitting in a comfortable looking position in the nook of the roof above the window below.

E.T. carefully and quietly crawled out of the open window on his hands and short knees and crept up beside Elliot and sat with him as he was gazing into the starry sky.

Elliot glanced over at him and put his hand on his shoulder. "Can you see your home from up here?" he asked.

"No," E.T. replied. "It too far."

"There's the Christmas Star, you see it?" Elliot pointed to a particularly bright star straight above them.

E.T. looked up, extending his neck, and looked at the star Elliot pointed to. He thought he knew what star it was. "Christmas Star? What do you mean?" E.T. asked curiously.

"It's the star the three Wise Men followed that led them to Bethlehem," replied Elliot.

"Wise Men? Bethlehem? E.T. does not understand," he said.

"Well, it's like this," said Elliot. "A man named Joseph and his wife Mary rode into Bethlehem and couldn't find any place to stay except in a stable and Mary had her baby in the manger and his name was Jesus and he was the son of God."

"Who told you this?" E.T. wanted to know.

"I learned it at my Sunday School, five years ago," Elliot replied. "I was told it was the reason why we have Christmas."

"And you believed it?" asked E.T. intently.

"Well... why shouldn't I?" asked Elliot, confused at E.T.'s questioning.

"Because it is wrong," E.T. stated calmly.

"It's wrong?" said Elliot, more confused than surprised.

"Yes, it is wrong," replied E.T.

"Why?" asked Elliot.

"Because there is no such thing as a god of Earth, or of any other planet, so he cannot have been the son of a god, if he even existed."

"You mean the whole thing was all made up?" asked Elliot, now beginning to actually sound surprised.

"Yes, exactly," said E.T. matter-of-factually. "The human beings of ancient, your ancestors, they led very ignorant lives, and many still do. They didn't know anything and didn't know how to learn anything for a long time and so they made those things up to satisfy themselves because it was the only thing they knew to do."

"Are you sure, E.T.?" Elliot asked, feeling stunned.

"Trust me, Elliot," he said. "If there were a god and he had a son my race would have long since known about it, but we have watched your species evolve over millions of years and it seems you have yet to understand, as we do, about how the Universe works."

Elliot was so stunned it took him a moment to try to take it all in. "Well, if what I'd heard at school isn't the reason for Christmas, then what is?" he wondered aloud.

"Hmm..." E.T. became thoughtful a moment. "My race and I have observed the rotation of your planet around its star, or sun, and for three days towards the end of the year which you call December and some know as Winter the days and nights are equally as long. We have something similar on my planet and we call it a Solstice. So I believe what you and your race celebrate at this time of year is your Winter Solstice."

"Well," said Elliot, sounding slightly downhearted. "If that's all there is to it then what reason is there to celebrate anyway?"

"You have given me plenty of reasons to want to celebrate it," E.T. assured him. "By inviting me here to be with you and your family again and showing me all of the wonderful little things of your planet, and just by being you."
And it doesn't end there. The chapter goes onto describe the evolution of the whole earth in a sterile fashion... in a Christmas story.
"But, I mean," said Elliot. "If there is no God then what is the purpose for life, and how did we get here in the first place?"

E.T. smiled. This was the question he had been waiting for. "Well, I can't tell you all the details, so you'll just have to see for yourself. Look there!"

Elliot turned his head along with E.T.'s and looked towards an open space of black sky amidst the stars.

"Look harder," urged E.T.

Elliot looked harder, his eyes focusing in on the empty black space.

"Harder!" E.T. urged.

Elliot looked harder with his eyes widening.

"Harder!" E.T. urged.

Elliot strained himself to concentrate on the dark expanse of space only... and then it happened.

He saw a tiny white light grow and expand until it filled the whole sky and then it seemed to explode itself in a bang so big and loud it could not be heard and massive streaks of blue and white light covered everything and the light kept stretching out and enlarging into huge waves of energy and matter which kept colliding together over and over. Elliot felt like he was sitting up in the very front most seat of the biggest movie screen as he watched what looked like a giant pinball game of red and white streaks and dots of light and after a few minutes it settled down, decreased in size, and turned to dark blue.

Then he seemed to be in the center of what looked like thick, foamy, transparent blue and green and red clouds of hydrogen. He watched as they began to condense over time and were being pulled together by their own gravity and turned from purple to violet to blue to turquoise to aqua to green to yellow to orange and then it became brighter and brighter until it seemed to explode in light and radiation, and when it calmed it left a huge glowing ball which looked like a star, and then it occurred to Elliot it was also a sun. The sun remained the same for a time and then it began growing darker and darker, turning orange and then red and then it seemed to swell larger and larger and then it burst like an overblown balloon, sending red and yellow dust particles everywhere like a cosmic dust storm.

The dust kept scattering around and then it seemed to be drawing back as if being sucked in by a vacuum. Pulled in by gravity the dust swirled around and formed a disc with a bright red center. As the pressure built up the temperature rose and as more mass and energy was added to it it became solid and changed to orange to yellow. It was a brand-new star, and soon Elliot realized it was none other than the star at the center of his own solar system. Then he watched as leftover dust particles scattered away from the sun and began coming together and forming small rocks floating in space. These rocks began colliding with each other and formed into bigger rocks and as the rocks grew so did the collisions. Some rocks that hit head on broke apart while others stuck together and the more they grew the stronger was the gravity pulling them.

Eventually, the gravity shaped them into small round planets, just a few miles across. They began growing from car sized, to house sized, to mountain sized, to the size of the moon, and a few of the bigger ones collided with others and then formed the three planets orbiting closest to the sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. Elliot zoomed in like the lens of a movie camera on the third planet which was his Earthly home, except it looked very different from the one he knew.

The Earth was nothing more than a fiery rock covered with lava. Volcanoes were erupting everywhere sending vast amounts of steam into the atmosphere which was causing heavy downfalls of acid rain. The newborn Earth was so full of energy as it was vigorously recycling and melting its materials over and over so constantly Elliot seemed to be watching a tape on fast forward.

He watched as an asteroid, or a meteorite from outer space fell out of the red sky and crashed into the red liquid layers of rocks. Quickly, more meteorites began crashing down, generating waves of intense heat into the atmosphere. The combined effect was catastrophic and the planet became a raging furnace. As the temperatures reached thousands of degrees dense metal in the Earth's rocky surface such as iron and nickel melted and became a liquid rock ocean hundreds of kilometers thick.

The melted iron sank into the Earth's center where it formed a molten core which gave the Earth a magnetic field that protected it from the harm of the solar wind. Still the Earth was a hostile and inhabitable planet with no oxygen and no water. Then suddenly another massive rock about the size of Mars crashed into the Earth. The impact was so great it melted both it's and the Earth's outer layers resulting in a new and bigger Earth. At the same time the collision threw vast amounts of molten rock into space which came together and formed the Earth's moon.

The moon was at first about two-hundred thousand feet closer to the Earth than it is today and the Earth was spinning much faster making each day only six hours long, and with the moon so close its gravitational pull on the Earth was enormous and the land rose and fell about two-hundred feet during the moon's phases. Then as the moon began to slowly drift away the Earth's rotation slowed down and it's molten lava layers cooled to form it's crust.

Then numerous mountain sized comets began falling into the Earth, the impact melting the ice in them and creating thick clouds which poured down hot rain which lasted for years, forming first rivers and lakes, and then eventually almost all of the Earth was covered in water. Although the planet was still unsuitable for life with poisonous gases filling its atmosphere. Then gradually small plants began to grow in the soil and as they sprouted higher and higher above the surface they gave out oxygen to renew the atmosphere.

Elliot's attention was now on the surface of the ocean which had turned from green to blue and he saw dozens of tiny fish swimming in its waters. Then he watched as they grew fins and tails, and then teeth and limbs. He saw them crawling out of the water and onto the land now looking somewhere between a frog and a lizard. He watched them lay their eggs and watched as some of them hatched into much more lizard like creatures. The time seemed to be speeding up again as he watched the grow bigger and wider and form longer legs and sharper teeth. He watched these monstrous creatures hunt their prey and raise their young for a few moments before the scenery suddenly shifted again and became much dryer and barer and these enormous beasts seemed to be disappearing.

Then he watched the smaller reptiles grow and change like the ones before them and start a whole new race called dinosaurs. Then for about three and a half minutes he watched a Jurassic park of Brontosauruses, Triceratops, Brakosauruses, Allosauruses, Stegosauruses, and Pterodactyls roaming in herds and battling the dreaded Tyrannosaurus Rex. He watched the dinosaurs migrate when their climates began to change and watched them hatch young which grew into new kinds of dinosaurs over the millenniums. Then before his eyes the dinosaurs began disappearing as the land began drastically changing. Then he watched as suddenly a meteorite hit the Earth and the sky was blazing and filled dust and debris. The dinosaurs' reign was officially over.

Then he watched the land gradually redeem itself and he saw tiny mammals come out of their shelter. He watched how they grew as they adapted to their new environment and then suddenly the Earth was being dominated by mammals large and small who looked like the ancestors of elephants, giraffes, hippopotamus, rhinoceros, and wild cats, and he also saw giant birds with giant beaks walking around. Once again carnivores and herbivores were roaming around preying on each other and trying to breed young.

There was one creature in particular that caught his attention. It was a family of monkeys jumping around on a tall tree nearby. He had never seen these kind of monkeys before and yet they seemed so familiar to him. After a moment one of the younger monkeys jumped down from a branch and began moving towards him. He was halfway to him when there was suddenly a bright flash and the scenery changed yet again and the monkey had changed as well for he was now walking erectly and had a different set of features making him look more related to a chimpanzee. Elliot stared at him for a long moment when it suddenly occurred to him that this peculiar kind of monkey looked like him in a much hairier state. Then suddenly the monkey heard its relatives calling for it and it scampered away from him.

Then the scenery shifted again and he saw another family of monkeys in a somewhat different place and the monkeys now looked almost human or at least halfway. He watched as they played together and scavenged for food together and took care of their young and when he saw a mother nursing a baby he was so struck by how much it nearly resembled a human infant. He watched the scenery shifting again as they began migrating as the climate was changing as did their prehistoric relatives.

With the new changing of time and place he saw another new family of whom he was now fully convinced were his own ancestors walking in a desert like place carrying large clubs and apparently hunting for beasts to kill for food and clothing. They looked just like humans except with apelike features and muscles. One of the leading cavemen let out a strange kind of yell and pointed to a large deer like creature ahead of them, and as they all rushed forward with their clubs and knives there came from ahead of them another tribe of human like creatures though they were hairier with seemingly much bigger bones and Elliot reckoned these must be the Neanderthals who he now saw were not his ancestors but rather the cousins of his ancestors. Then as it became apparent there was to be a fight over the feast the scenery began shifting all over again.

He now saw before a family of homo sapiens that looked almost exactly like the human beings he was familiar with in his own time gathered around a campfire and roasting fresh meat and feeding each other, while at the same time attempting to nurse the wounds of one of their kin who was laying in the arms of an older female who was likely his mother. As the darkness turned to daylight it became apparent the wounded one wouldn't survive and the rest of them got up and left his lifeless body behind them. This seemed an abhorrent thing to do to Elliot but he reckoned these ancestors just hadn't yet developed their consciousness to mourn their deceased.

As he saw the landscape changing, becoming hotter and dryer, he saw his ancestors changed with it. They became thinner with lesser hair and their skin turned a very dark shade of brown. He watched them learn to save food and water as they migrated from their inhospitable climate. He saw them make their way to the continent that would later be called Europe, and as he watched them adapt to their new environment he watched them change gradually over the centuries with their skin becoming lighter and lighter. He watched how they developed their language skills and invent writing and officiate names and then last names including the name Taylor.

Then he watched how his ancestors came from England to the new American colonies around the time of the Mayflower Voyage. He watched them become Americans and then watched them attend the reception of the new Constitution and help get George Washington elected. Then he watched some of them participate in, and a few die in the Civil War and the first and second World War.

He saw that overall and with rare exceptions all of his ancestors had been good and honest people and they had fought against slavery, racism, bigotry, the great depression, and homelessness. He had relatives who were policemen, firemen, archaeologists, astronomers, and watchmakers. He watched the history of his bloodline up until the moment he and his siblings were born, and when the film roll had run out the beam of light from the beginning repeated itself in reverse and then the sky became its normal self again.

"Wow!" exclaimed Elliot when he had somewhat recovered from his thrill ride through time. "That was quite an experience I won't ever forget! So that was how it all began?"

"Yes," said E.T. confidently. "What you have just seen is the knowledge my ancestors have saved up since the very beginning. You went through exactly four-billion years in fifteen minutes."

"Wow! Just like home movies!" Elliot said breathlessly. "But are you positive that the birth of the planet and the evolution of species I just saw was of my own?"

For just one moment E.T. looked offended, though the look quickly passed and he replied very calmly, "Yes, indeed. My ancestors knew about your ancestors from their birth and also many other civilizations of other species and we have the technology to keep track of what we see and learn which your race has been lacking for such a long time."

"Well, it was certainly more awesome and inspiring than any made-up creation story I've ever heard," said Elliot matter of factually. "And it also makes a lot more sense even though I'd never have been able to understand it if I hadn't seen it like I just did."

"Yes, I know," said E.T. solemnly. "Your ancestor's brains developed so much slower than ours did that since they had no way of understanding how they came to be they did the only thing they knew how to do and that was imagine how they came to be. The imagination that your kind has is both a wonderful and a terrible thing for it has advanced you in every way for the past thousand years and has helped you to survive through hardships, yet it also causes many of you to become seriously deluded and to start wars and invent dogmas which you have no need for. Now you have just been given a special gift of insight into your species history of how they came to be and how the thrived, evolved, and advanced over seven-million years. So now what do you think the answer to your question is? What is the purpose of living?"

"Well," said Elliot thoughtfully. "I think the purpose of living, of being here, is to try to make the world a better place for all its creatures to live on, and to leave behind new knowledge or wisdom for the people of the future so that we will continue to grow and be in harmony with all the other lifeforms there are out there."

"Very good!" said E.T. like a teacher praising his student. "I was hoping that's what you would decide, because that is what I think it is also."

"I really do appreciate the gift you've given me and all, E.T.," said Elliot more somberly. "But I think that now if I tell those I meet what I now know as truth and am honest about myself they won't believe it and will think I am a freak or something."

"I know," said E.T. gently. "Because they are used to what they think they know already. But you won't find too much trouble with it in the future because within the next twenty years your kind will begin to understand people who know different things than most, and you will become a champion in the new century to come of understanding truth and evolution and other living organisms. It is my, as you will call it, Christmas gift to you, Elliot Taylor."

"E.T., thank you! You're the best friend anyone could have in the whole Universe!" exclaimed Elliot as he threw his arms around E.T. and gave him the biggest hug this side of the Milky Way.

"I know you are, but what am I?" asked E.T.
The chapter goes on a little longer with useless drivel and then there's a whole OTHER chapter after it. This woman has no sense of charm, style, or pacing (if the chapter ended where I cut it off, it would've been sweeter), but that seems to come with the territory of being an anti-religion legbeard. In her thread, she argues with fellow farmers about her favorite cartoon characters being Atheist. One of the signs of a mature storyteller is someone's who's able to write a character who has their own core beliefs, even if they're diametrically opposed to yours. There hasn't been much Atheism sperging there in a while, just people calling her and her "movies" retarded.
 
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I'm fairly sure most edgy internet atheists were dragged to church too often as a kid and they never let it go.

They don't really engage with Christianity beyond a surface level "look what Bible says why don't Christians read the Bible" viewpoint.
They always present their selves as if they got out of some fundy king James only cult, almost all these people probably as kids went to a mainline inoffensive protestant church that was actually somewhat liberally interprets the bible, and may have a woman pastor that mostly preaches about love. They just mad their parents made them go to church when they could be at home playing vidya.
 
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That feeling when the old boomer btfos you by just being a decent human who wants those missionaries back and safe. I love the second post that retard threw at her; I get the feeling he probably did one or two more afterwards because he's mad HE CAN'T WIN.

Ignoring of course it takes a big retard to turn "Aww I'm happy they're coming back safe" into a debate on theology where they don't know enough on theology to win.
That dang dirty old boomer started it by bringing in missionaries and God which was an affront that triggered the euphoric. Serious note, much as one could note on how boomers can have their own cringe and how missionaries could fuck up cultures and all that, trying to go "you're sheep and your god is a lie" is one reason why atheist can end up looking like cringy jackasses.

I wonder if any euphorics still believe in the religion causes war argument unironiclly because there are they probably the most exceptional people on earth
You'd still have some out there thinking that on top of clinging to how getting rid of it would totally eliminate war without realizing religion is just one of the things that can cause a war and not the root cause.
 
That dang dirty old boomer started it by bringing in missionaries and God which was an affront that triggered the euphoric. Serious note, much as one could note on how boomers can have their own cringe and how missionaries could fuck up cultures and all that, trying to go "you're sheep and your god is a lie" is one reason why atheist can end up looking like cringy jackasses.


You'd still have some out there thinking that on top of clinging to how getting rid of it would totally eliminate war without realizing religion is just one of the things that can cause a war and not the root cause.
Wow a
That dang dirty old boomer started it by bringing in missionaries and God which was an affront that triggered the euphoric. Serious note, much as one could note on how boomers can have their own cringe and how missionaries could fuck up cultures and all that, trying to go "you're sheep and your god is a lie" is one reason why atheist can end up looking like cringy jackasses.


You'd still have some out there thinking that on top of clinging to how getting rid of it would totally eliminate war without realizing religion is just one of the things that can cause a war and not the root cause.
wow Then they must be exeptional individuals I wonder if they have any cringy memes or bs infographics out there
 
It's called asking for emotional support and a bit of spiritual aid since she's going through a bad time. These smug edgy idiots think it's so cool to butt in with that ackshually, to brag about their enlightenment to those suffering, but it always makes them look retarded. Look at that ratio right there.

This doofus should reread Matthew 6's stance on prayer. Yeah, Big J and his Pops don't like braggarts, but they didn't like those who openly prayed and tried to show off their righteousness for spectacle. That's very different than going "My dad's not doing great, so could you guys give him and me some emotional support and maybe make sure Papa G hears him up in his house?"

Ironically this stupid douchebag is much closer to the type of person Jesus talked about in that segment. Just without the prayer part.
 
This may as well be one of the times Twitter manages to not be shit by way of the euphoric getting a ratio with no likes. Then again, HSMP manages to act like a complete shithead in not getting the reason in why he's being seen as a dick since he's the one that came in acting like a jackass in the name of "logic and reason." Here's some choice screenshots to give an idea of the sperging.
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It's called asking for emotional support and a bit of spiritual aid since she's going through a bad time. These smug edgy idiots think it's so cool to butt in with that ackshually, to brag about their enlightenment to those suffering, but it always makes them look retarded. Look at that ratio right there.

This doofus should reread Matthew 6's stance on prayer. Yeah, Big J and his Pops don't like braggarts, but they didn't like those who openly prayed and tried to show off their righteousness for spectacle. That's very different than going "My dad's not doing great, so could you guys give him and me some emotional support and maybe make sure Papa G hears him up in his house?"

Ironically this stupid douchebag is much closer to the type of person Jesus talked about in that segment. Just without the prayer part.
That's the thing this tard failed to realize. Matthew 6 isn't about how asking for prayers is bad, at least not with the person this dipshit acted to since that person just wanted some emotional support. The whole braggart angle is what this guy missed.

Even George Carlin called out that particular atheist canard as stupid bullshit all the way back in 2005.
Sauce on that one. I want to see Carlin rip on that like he did with others.
 
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Nobody in Jesus' time would have allowed the thought to cross their mind that they should ask him if it was okay to marry a man, or what his stance on abortion was. It was self-evidently wrong and against nature to do either of those things.
That's not really true. Abortion and infanticide was common in the Classical world and not seen as the evil modern monotheists see it as.
I don't even know where to start with this one.
I read this without reading the name of the account or hashtag and assumed it was a Protestant tweet. Always amusing when that happens.
 
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