Euphoric atheists

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Adamska said:
You'd be shocked at how often atheists will ignore any other religion but Christianity when it comes to their antics online. It's not all of them, but it's happened enough times and by a large enough portion of them that it's kind of pathetic. Hell, the worst of the lot will even cuck to and support their religion due to a variety of reasons.

And I say this as an apatheist.
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Well, it is by far the most prominent religion in the west and thus both the most prominent and socially acceptable target, especially since it is verboten in society to criticize minorities even when the criticisms are entirely correct.

So proximity plus acceptable target.

Also a large portion of people in general, believers and not, are just absolute dumbasses.
 
Say, do you guys think if the founding fathers could have foreseen atheists/LaVeyan satanists (ab)using the first amendment to browbeat Christians and cults like Scientology also abusing religious freedom laws, they would have written those laws differently to ensure they couldn’t? Hell, do ya think if they could have foreseen a lot of modern degenerate shit that arose from or was given a helping hand by secularization, they would have just instead made Christianity the state religion?
 
Dr.Troonenstein said:
Say, do you guys think if the founding fathers could have foreseen atheists/LaVeyan satanists (ab)using the first amendment to browbeat Christians and cults like Scientology also abusing religious freedom laws, they would have written those laws differently to ensure they couldn’t? Hell, do ya think if they could have foreseen a lot of modern degenerate shit that arose from or was given a helping hand by secularization, they would have just instead made Christianity the state religion?
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I think they imagined freedom of religion as "How do you believe in God?" rather than "Do you believe in God?" since they stressed the importance of a moral population and all of them were at least deists.
 
Dr.Troonenstein said:
Hell, do ya think if they could have foreseen a lot of modern degenerate shit that arose from or was given a helping hand by secularization, they would have just instead made Christianity the state religion?
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Well, they didn't make Christianity the state religion because there were lots of flavors of Christianity. Persecution of Christians by Christians was a major problem in Europe and a concern of the founding fathers. The idea behind no state religion was to avoid the religious based oppression on religious minority group by the federal government. (which is important especially for the northern colonies that were founded by minor Christian offshoots).

Dr.Troonenstein said:
Say, do you guys think if the founding fathers could have foreseen atheists/LaVeyan satanists (ab)using the first amendment to browbeat Christians and cults like Scientology also abusing religious freedom laws, they would have written those laws differently to ensure they couldn’t?
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I don't think the laws they are abusing were created by the founders. The 1st amendment only bars congress from recognizing an official religion, nothing mentioned about the state or local level. You had towns and even states in the early US who were bias towards a particular faith and openly mixed their faith with how they ran their local government. If the atheists today tied to do what they do that shit back then, they would have been politely told to fuck off and move of they don't like the community cross.
 
Dr.Troonenstein said:
Say, do you guys think if the founding fathers could have foreseen atheists/LaVeyan satanists (ab)using the first amendment to browbeat Christians and cults like Scientology also abusing religious freedom laws, they would have written those laws differently to ensure they couldn’t? Hell, do ya think if they could have foreseen a lot of modern degenerate shit that arose from or was given a helping hand by secularization, they would have just instead made Christianity the state religion?
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I don't think they could've seen how the Church of Satan or Scientology nor the degeneracy brought about by increased secularization would've turned out since no man can be 100% in predictions. But I don't think they would've made Christianity the state religion either, since there were many denominations in the United States at that point so deciding on what would be the correct one would angered anyone. But they did make the Constitution for a moral population and while you could be atheist and be moral, you cannot have morality without religion.
 
Chuck Gruden said:
But I don't think they would've made Christianity the state religion either, since there were many denominations in the United States at that point so deciding on what would be the correct one would angered anyone.
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They were fucking executing Quakers in Massachusetts.

Yeah we don't have a state religion for very obvious reasons.
 
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Chuck Gruden said:
I don't think they could've seen how the Church of Satan or Scientology nor the degeneracy brought about by increased secularization would've turned out since no man can be 100% in predictions. But I don't think they would've made Christianity the state religion either, since there were many denominations in the United States at that point so deciding on what would be the correct one would angered anyone. But they did make the Constitution for a moral population and while you could be atheist and be moral, you cannot have morality without religion.
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The overriding principle is that religion is protected by the state not privileging a religion.

In this context atheism/non-religion also gets religious protections.
 
Wormy said:
Oh I'm familiar with the ultraviolence they got up to. India is one hell of a source of gonzo bloodbaths. Buddhists got a good number of massacres and holy wars under their belt.

Christians are individuals, and I judge them as such. Christianity, however, is a system and I judge it as such.
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I can respect that
Slap47 said:
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The overriding principle is that religion is protected by the state not privileging a religion.

In this context atheism/non-religion also gets religious protections.
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Yeah but the thing being argued is at what point does Freedom of Religion start to get into the territory of being abused?
 
Chuck Gruden said:
I can respect that

Yeah but the thing being argued is at what point does Freedom of Religion start to get into the territory of being abused?
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Much like with Free speech, there's no real way of putting limits on it without going down a slippery slope (I guess outside of violent incitement stuff). You only need to look at the nightmare of "hate speech laws" to see what awful scenarios occur when you start playing favourites. If you start putting limits on "freedom of religion" and picking favourites you'll end up defeating the entire point of what it was meant to do, which was to stop endless squabbling from different religious groups. As with any freedom is comes with responsibilities and downsides, but usually these are outweighed by the alternative.
The Satanic temple is just leftwing ideology in edgy halloween costumes any way, it's a symptom of other political stuff going on not an issue with freedom of religion itself.
 
Ted_Breakfast said:
I wish that were true. Bring up Aquinas and redditors sputter and turn to gay rights for a high ground.
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eternal dog mongler said:
As if they ever engage with anything regarding theology.
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Forget theology; I wish they could give me a proof that Science (or Science™) is the only way to comprehend the world. Which part of Science told you that you deserve "bodily autonomy", however defined?
 
Positron said:
Forget theology; I wish they could give me a proof that Science (or Science™) is the only way to comprehend the world. Which part of Science told you that you deserve "bodily autonomy", however defined?
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Honestly you can run circles around them by refuting logical positivism. They don't...really know how to deal with that.
 
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