Infected Euphoric atheists

[Slap47]

Was at the bank today and noticed the bank teller had "IN SCIENCE WE TRUST" tattooed on his arm. I didn't talked to him about it but it was distracting.

Science is a method and way of thinking about the world. It is not the fallible bureaucratic institutions that claim it.

In a way science is like a religion. Science is the method, not the institutions. Likewise, the church is the people, not the building or hierarchy of priests.

What happened with Islam would be as if immediately after Christ's death, all twelve Apostles (and a few liars claiming to have been Apostles) would have all started up their own sects and immediately started murdering each other for centuries.

I mean that did happen to some extent but fairly early on Christianity codified its set of beliefs to the point that it's at least possible for different kinds of Christians to exist without incessant sectarian turmoil.

Credit to Islam is that it actually never got as bloody as Christianity at its worst. The Thirty Years War and other wars of religion forced Christianity to become more tolerant. This tolerance contributed to the rise of the west.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Science is a method and way of thinking about the world. It is not the fallible bureaucratic institutions that claim it.

In a way science is like a religion. Science is the method, not the institutions. Likewise, the church is the people, not the building or hierarchy of priests.



Credit to Islam is that it actually never got as bloody as Christianity at its worst. The Thirty Years War and other wars of religion forced Christianity to become more tolerant. This tolerance contributed to the rise of the west.

>islam
>not as bloody as Christianity

uh

 

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

This tolerance contributed to the rise of the west.

Tolerance contributes to the fall of civilization, not its rise.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

 

[Jacques1194]

So I just find this thread and I dont know if anyone talked about this around the time when he made his book and when he passed away but what were euphoric atheists response to Hawking's theory of everything? Were people really cheering that he finally "disproved" the idea of a deity and pushed his book as scientific fact despite some major criticism from other scientists? I can't remember much so forgive me but I do remember one criticism of Hawking was that he looks way beyond the evidence over things that haven't been proven yet and plus he sometimes kept going into science fiction territory such as claiming that humanity will one day be able to create its own universe, and that humanity will one day have to leave Earth because A.I will take over. I'm not saying that Hawking wasn't an intelligent man, but its a case of euphoric atheists praising a man that was still human who had a few flaws and said either something that was wrong or something beyond our capabilities.

 

[ImNotAnEGirlUWU]

So I just find this thread and I dont know if anyone talked about this around the time when he made his book and when he passed away but what were euphoric atheists response to Hawking's theory of everything? Were people really cheering that he finally "disproved" the idea of a deity and pushed his book as scientific fact despite some major criticism from other scientists? I can't remember much so forgive me but I do remember one criticism of Hawking was that he looks way beyond the evidence over things that haven't been proven yet and plus he sometimes kept going into science fiction territory such as claiming that humanity will one day be able to create its own universe, and that humanity will one day have to leave Earth because A.I will take over. I'm not saying that Hawking wasn't an intelligent man, but its a case of euphoric atheists praising a man that was still human who had a few flaws and said either something that was wrong or something beyond our capabilities.

Unsure but you’ve reminded me of the fact that Hawking hung around with a couple people who believed in the idea of immaterial consciousness and that those people believed it could be scientifically proven one day, you have to wonder what the reaction to that would be. Don’t think he ever believed it himself though but makes you think about how many euphoric anti-theists refuse to listen to any religious argument when one of their idols was ok with those

 

[Markorian]

I really feel like not only has the average atheist apologist not gotten any better since the mid 00's, I honestly feel like they've regressed. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I genuinely feel that lowtax at his most retarded and spergy would do better than at least half of them. Even the rare exceptions like Alex O'Connor really aren't all that great, it's just he's by far one of the best of the bunch when you look at the absolute sorry state of the rest of them.

 

[Neodanthril]

Thought this was funny

 

[Tootsie Bear]

I really feel like not only has the average atheist apologist not gotten any better since the mid 00's, I honestly feel like they've regressed. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I genuinely feel that lowtax at his most retarded and spergy would do better than at least half of them. Even the rare exceptions like Alex O'Connor really aren't all that great, it's just he's by far one of the best of the bunch when you look at the absolute sorry state of the rest of them.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. The majority of popular atheists apologists I come across are vanilla. Most of them are White from Western countries who view themselves as better than their Christian conservative counterparts. The difference is that many today would be considered SJW now that politics atmosphere has changed with LGBT, BLM and so forth. So now you have smug atheists who are the insufferable "progressive" types. Bonus points for the ones outside the states who shit on Americans because Donald Trump is president and how they're better than Americans because they're Canadian or European.

 

[Seafarer]

 

[Mr Metron666]

Apparently, there are euphorics even among white nationalists & (actual) neo-nazis.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

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Apparently, there are euphorics even among white nationalists & (actual) neo-nazis.

You should see their neopagans.

 

[Neodanthril]

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Apparently, there are euphorics even among white nationalists & (actual) neo-nazis.

Most wignats are extremely bitter antisocial freaks and thus the worst kind of atheist or larpagan.

 

[Guyspleasedontfight]

ComsicSceptic chickened out of a debate with The Wood that was scheduled two weeks from now because jihadis threatened death lol
Gotta say, I expected sterner stuff from Alex.

Lmao I saw that. These poor little atheists need to man up. I guess they’re not willing to die for their beliefs.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

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Apparently, there are euphorics even among white nationalists & (actual) neo-nazis.

If you've been on /pol/ anytime in the last 10 years you've seen this.

Since it IS /pol/, they're likely East Indians who posted this.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

In a way science is like a religion.

You are almost making a correct comparison.

Both science and religion are transcendent phenomena - Science is the human way of rationalizing natural occurances, and Religion is spiritual development - which again is only possible for humans (Since other creatures do not have the same metaphysical capabilities; I'm talking from a religious perspective here).

This is the main commonality between the two - otherwise, Science, due to only dealing with observed nature, cannot even properly comprehend metaphysical concepts. One could argue that philosophy is inbetween science and religion, as it was the basis of scientific principles, but deals with metaphysics as well.

Religion, on the other hand - does not deal with exploration of the material world as it's purpose. Religion is a way of ascending to the creator after death, depending on the interpretation; As well as a way of having a more spiritually fulfilled life. Religion is not obligated to explain how natural phenomena works - and people who try to pit Religion and Science against one another are mistaken, they do not look at the question objectively. Religion does not forbid science - as it is just a way of exploring your surroundings, it's not a belief system. And similarly Science does not forbid following religion - due it being out of the scope of science altogether.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

You are almost making a correct comparison.

Both science and religion are transcendent phenomena - Science is the human way of rationalizing natural occurances, and Religion is spiritual development - which again is only possible for humans (Since other creatures do not have the same metaphysical capabilities; I'm talking from a religious perspective here).

This is the main commonality between the two - otherwise, Science, due to only dealing with observed nature, cannot even properly comprehend metaphysical concepts. One could argue that philosophy is inbetween science and religion, as it was the basis of scientific principles, but deals with metaphysics as well.

Religion, on the other hand - does not deal with exploration of the material world as it's purpose. Religion is a way of ascending to the creator after death, depending on the interpretation; As well as a way of having a more spiritually fulfilled life. Religion is not obligated to explain how natural phenomena works - and people who try to pit Religion and Science against one another are mistaken, they do not look at the question objectively. Religion does not forbid science - as it is just a way of exploring your surroundings, it's not a belief system. And similarly Science does not forbid following religion - due it being out of the scope of science altogether.

I think you can ignore all of that and simply go "People prefer a single all-consuming thing to shill" in the way Americans are fucking obsessed about talking politics despite not even voting. I've been to a few churches and thought "damn, so many events and things to do. If I was religious I'd spend all week here". Atheism is in the same category, giving nobody loser incels a thing to shill at every turn, except it never took off as a personality trait the same way being a pick-me, gamer girl, Christian or trump devotee did.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

I think you can ignore all of that and simply go "People prefer a single all-consuming thing to shill" in the way Americans are fucking obsessed about talking politics despite not even voting. I've been to a few churches and thought "damn, so many events and things to do. If I was religious I'd spend all week here". Atheism is in the same category, giving nobody loser incels a thing to shill at every turn, except it never took off as a personality trait the same way being a pick-me, gamer girl, Christian or trump devotee did.

I still believe it is a philosophical issue - but you highlighted the other problem correctly: Spiritually unfulfilled people seek to have something as the center point of their life, even if they are unable to follow through with it; thus superficially follow a life style (Religion, in this case (Christianity)) or try to speak on matters they are not involved with (politics). The main point is that people in particular do not gain any improvement from such affiliations, since they do not try to even understand what they are doing. Most things you included are only personality traits, if a person fundamentally misunderstands them.

I think this is one of the reasons atheists are miserable - they focus purely on the physical aspect of life, while the human mind is capable of processing metaphysics; They try to carve their soul out, which ends up in fanatical belief in whatever their preferred political or scientific dogma suggests.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

The Youtube algorithm just put a recent Paulogia video in my feed, here are several of the comments on the page:



This is beyond embarrassing that these sorts of videos and comments are still being made a decade later. And all of these sorts of comments were equally dumb back then with these SAME EXACT "gotcha" arguments.

 

[RedneckQuadFeed]