Euthanasia

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Honestly the big thing question the Euthanasia debate rises for me is why many of these people can't just commit suicide the old fashioned way. Some of these people actually have paralysis or are comatose but many are perfectly able to do things at least for a short period of time until their painful deaths. If I were one of those people the last thing I would want to do with my limited time on earth is enter a fruitless legal battle so I would just do whatever I really want to do before I die and then I would shoot myself
 
Honestly the big thing question the Euthanasia debate rises for me is why many of these people can't just commit suicide the old fashioned way

Many people are incapable of doing such. Having someone else do it makes a world of difference. Also, lots of folks have a lot of fear of their method of suicide being painful. Giving a large dose of an opiate or a combo of drugs is hell of a lot of a better way than a gun shot/knife/rope. It's much more peaceful, and there is an extremely high chance of success having a medical professional do the deed.
 
I would think that it should be legalized for those in extreme pain that can't be treated. If all else fails and they're slowly dying, it's the most humane thing possible for a person.

You'd see a human doing so for an animal in extreme pain because the end result is needless suffering. People should have some way out if they're suffering that's less painful than what they're suffering from
 
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One of the other potential abuses (outside of the "God complex doctor" or "greedy vulturous relatives" situations) I can conceive is, what is the so-called 'line' for suffering? Now when that comes up, most people immediately jump to eugenics as being the next step after euthanasia becomes an accepted practice but I'm more concerned about the potential of it being used by those who are not so much dying physically as they are mentally. Mental illness and suicide are already heavily intertwined; what's to say there isn't a potential abuse in some patient of sound body but severe depression who begs for death from their doctor as a result, because they see themselves as terminal on a different level? I mean, yeah, that could potentially be fixed by imposing limits for euthanasia for only physical terminal illness cases...but then that raises the dilemma of "do the mentally ill not deserve the right to a painless death?"

Now, I don't think this applies to people who still have a chance to get better, mind you; people with supportive family and friend networks; future prospects; goals; etc. I'm talking people so hopeless and so far at the end of their rope that all they have left is literally enough to hang themselves with. If their suffering is just as bad as someone with a terminal illness, don't they deserve the same rights to die with dignity and without pain? If they attempt on their own and don't succeed, they could end up causing worse psychological/physical damage to themselves, which could only worsen their condition and suffering.

Do we limit it at physical pain only? Or do we include mental anguish? What about psychosomatic conditions? Where, exactly, on that sliding scale, do we draw the line?

(Note: I am actually in favor of euthanasia, if handled responsibly. And I personally think the suicidal should receive help/support to avoid that 'final solution' rather than be aided in it, but I still think this is a good ethical dilemma that should be addressed.)
 
Your life is your life, you should be able to do with it what you want. If you want to end it before your body up and stops working on its own, that should be your decision. Allowing physicians to assist and make the process as simple and painless as possible can only be a plus.
Not to mention that I feel like the pharmaceutical industry is more concerned with profits than actually helping people at this venture, so choosing to painlessly end your life if you have a terminal illness instead of stretching it out with costly drugs should be a legal option...
 
I am 100% against doctor-assisted suicide because every where it becomes legal more and more people end up being pushed that way by "well meaning" doctors. Belgium is going crazy with it and instead of giving psychological help to mentally ill people they just off them

You can take your own life if you want to, but the State should never be involved in taking the life of anyone except the most horrible of murderers in a bulletproof case.
 
Not to mention that I feel like the pharmaceutical industry is more concerned with profits than actually helping people at this venture, so choosing to painlessly end your life if you have a terminal illness instead of stretching it out with costly drugs should be a legal option...

They're not really as mercenary as one would think on the issue. Pharmas like Pfizer refuse to sell their drugs to states that practice lethal injection because they don't want their drugs to be used in executions.

EDIT: Euthanasia would probably make for better PR though so they might be willing to bend on that plausibly.
 
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I only support it in cases where the person requests it , not their families not anyone but themselves. If they're in so much pain and there's no hope for them, end stages of cancer for example, then they shouldn't suffer more than they have to. I've seen way too many people suffering that wished they were dead to count, it's awful.

Otherwise, families should not be writing off on their blood without consulting them, especially if there's inheritances involved.
 
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I only support it in cases where the person requests it , not their families not anyone but themselves. If they're in so much pain and there's no hope for them, end stages of cancer for example, then they shouldn't suffer more than they have to. I've seen way too many people suffering that wished they were dead to count, it's awful.

So that 24 year old girl who is suicidal but doesn't suffer from any actual diseases, you support doctors killing her?

Anyone with suicidal thoughts who requests it should be able to get it?
 
So that 24 year old girl who is suicidal but doesn't suffer from any actual diseases, you support doctors killing her?

Anyone with suicidal thoughts who requests it should be able to get it?

That's not what I said or even implied though. I support it in cases where people are too sick to even get up and they're living in the hospital, or if it's very late stage cancer and your chances of living are zero.

There's absolutely no hope for these people to get better even with modern medicine, why make them suffer more than they have to?
 
That's not what I said or even implied though. I support it in cases where people are too sick to even get up and they're living in the hospital, or if it's very late stage cancer and your chances of living are zero.

There's absolutely no hope for these people to get better even with modern medicine, why make them suffer more than they have to?

Who are you to say that this 24 year old is not suffering as much as those who have terminal cancer? What about emotional pain? Another recent suicide by doctor case was a girl in her 20s who had been severely sexually abused as a child.

Do you support that?
 
Who are you to say that this 24 year old is not suffering as much as those who have terminal cancer? What about emotional pain? Another recent suicide by doctor case was a girl in her 20s who had been severely sexually abused as a child.

Do you support that?

No I don't at all? I've clearly stated I support it in cases where there's no hope for the person to continue living. In case you didn't know, even when people dying it takes awhile for organs to completely shut down. I've seen people live months, even years in pain and wanting to die already.

If the US were to legalize it I want them to do it like how we do organ donations after we die. It would 100% be their decision if they had absolutely no chance of living.

It shouldn't be used on suicidal people at all.
 
No I don't at all? I've clearly stated I support it in cases where there's no hope for the person to continue living. In case you didn't know, even when people dying it takes awhile for organs to completely shut down. I've seen people live months, even years in pain and wanting to die already.

How is that different from a girl who was sexually abused and tortured horribly for years? Mental anguish and pain can be much worse than physical pain, why shouldn't she be given the same rights as terminal patients?
 
Someone able-bodied and young who wants to kill themselves is going to do it no matter what the law is. It's only when someone is physically incapable of doing it that they really need a physician's assistance.
 
I'm theoretically fine with it and I think you certainly have a right to kill your self. But, I think there's going to be a lot of borderline cases of people getting kind of strong armed into killing them selves or, a feeling that old people should all kill them selves so they aren't a burden if Euthanasia were legal and, "clean", for lack of a better word. I think the inherent grisliness of getting a pistol and shooting your self if you want to die makes people less likely to be forced into it or feel obligated to do it.

TL;DR It needs to be totally your decision, and people are awful.

I'm honestly a little uncomfortable with how much we euthanize pets as a society, and think it is primarily done for selfish reasons. We tell our selves that they aren't enjoying life, or are in too much pain to go on. But, I don't rely see much evidence that your dog wouldn't want to live as long as it can, just like most people would.
 
I'm honestly a little uncomfortable with how much we euthanize pets as a society, and think it is primarily done for selfish reasons. We tell our selves that they aren't enjoying life, or are in too much pain to go on. But, I don't rely see much evidence that your dog wouldn't want to live as long as it can, just like most people would.
To be frank, what dogs "want" doesn't really matter. When it comes to animals, we control every aspect of their lives. We breed animals, we neuter animals and we eat animals.

Animal cruelty is when you're causing the animal undue pain/distress. Until you get to animal cruelty levels, the moral issues are a lot more vague and debatable.

Animal rights are something I've thought about a lot. I have pets and I love my pets, but I don't think what they want really matters unless you go whole hog and start advocating for full animal liberation. Which is certainly a thing to some people, I suppose.
 
To all those saying "it's fine as long as there's no other solution and the person is really suffering": well who gets to decide that? Doctors have a lot of power already but that is because we offer it to them so they can do whatever's necessary to save a life. I'm not overly confident on having them take lives away too- what prevents them from deciding this or that case is too unlikely to respond to treatment and might as well be euthanized right away for the greater good? I'm not saying they'd murder someone but all a doctor has to do is say "sorry we've ran out of options, your best choice now is to die peacefully."

I'm 100% a believer in the natural right to suicide but as far as euthanasia goes I'm with the guy that said to leave governments, laws and professionals (and by extension) corporations out of this. You wanna kill yourself ask your family for help getting to the roof and jump away but don't turn doctors into harbingers of death.
 
To be frank, what dogs "want" doesn't really matter. When it comes to animals, we control every aspect of their lives. We breed animals, we neuter animals and we eat animals.

Animal cruelty is when you're causing the animal undue pain/distress. Until you get to animal cruelty levels, the moral issues are a lot more vague and debatable.

Animal rights are something I've thought about a lot. I have pets and I love my pets, but I don't think what they want really matters unless you go whole hog and start advocating for full animal liberation. Which is certainly a thing to some people, I suppose.
I don't disagree that what the animals want doesn't particularly matter, but I'm fundamentally uncomfortable with self deception.
 
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It's absolutely terrifying to think a handful of that powder that costs 30 francs to produce can kill a person in one minute. This could probably be slipped into a strong drink without you even noticing. The fact this is probably not the only substance that can do that doesn't make me feel any safer.

I wonder what she chose that for. She seemed so alive and well, practically normal. Though I think that is true to many people on natural death's door as well. I've heard more than once that a sick or elderly person was having a great day before they passed away in their sleep.
 
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