Euthanasia

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At the end of the day, it should be the person's decision whether they want to die or not. If they feel that it would be far too painful for them and their family to see them rot away from cancer/ALS/another disease, they should be allowed to end it on their own terms. I personally argue it's far less humane to see someone rot away into a shell of what they once were than to end it quickly and relatively painlessly.
 
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Daughter of Pomona said:
I am disabled and like many people in our community, I oppose assisted suicide and euthanasia. Don't want to sound like a tumblrite but its considered an ableist practice.
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How is it ableist to allow a severely ill/disabled person the option of quickly ending their suffering in a dignified and controlled manner? I know I'm falling for poor quality bait here but explain to me how it's ableism? I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread I personally made a point about abuses of the system where people coerce others into dying for their own benefit so don't go down the "We'll all be forced to die because we're a burden" line. Are guide dogs ableist? What about wheelchairs?
 
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Several of my ancestral family members died from medical mishaps that everyone involved was very, very grateful for.

They're still joked about how lucky it was the doctors screwed up the way they did after they had a long, hard talk with the patient (and the family afterwards).

I'm glad it's now legal and doctors don't have to risk their future by providing a service that's so desperately needed.
However, this only works because we have universal healthcare. If I wanted to live a few years more, but those few years meant my family would be completely ruined, I'd chose euthanisia in a heartbeat.

And that's not okay killing yourself over money.

TL;DR: Universal health care is great, you guys should try it.
 
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Daughter of Pomona said:
I am disabled and like many people in our community, I oppose assisted suicide and euthanasia. Don't want to sound like a tumblrite but its considered an ableist practice.
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The choice would never be made for you. It's something you would have to actively pursue with your doctor. If you believe it's wrong, that's your right but there's no death panels.

I've done a lot of palliative care. The expected deaths are so much nicer. When you know the day you're going to die, your whole family can be there with you holding your hand. You know that when it happens you won't have pain and you'll be with people that care about you that will cry afterwards.

The alternative is a tired nurse noticing you stopped breathing at 3am who closes your eyes, pulls out your tubes and shuffles off to make a few sad phone calls.
 
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I strongely believe in human dignity and that entails that a human can end his life if he has done this decision with a clear and informed mind. That entails in my oppinion that this decision has too fail before the person in question is in the terminally ill stadium - and a "yes" should be able to be withdrawn any time. Kinda like consent to sex. You got to get it beforehand and both participants have the right to withdraw it any time.
A "yes" in the terminally ill stadium without no prior consent should only be allowed in rare cases; like some unforeseenable condition (e.g. that palliative care does not work because of an morphium intolerance) or that the death of the terminally ill person can save the life of someone else. In every other case the doubt that the person might be coerced by someone else or simply be temporarily overwhelmed (kind of like torture - do it enough and people will tell you anything to make it end) is too strong.
Regarding mental illness like severe depressions (without accompanying debilitating physical illness); the right to euthanasia is out - simply because the tragic of people who want to commit suicide is that they are the ones who want to life the most. They should endure their condition long enough that there can be a real attempt to help them, be it medication, therapy or trying to change the situation that caused the depression in the first case. Suicide normally does not happen in a down stadium, but when people are again on the rise - because they want to avoid another down.
It's kind of perverse that the type of illness that causes the most subjective suffering is "just in the head".
 
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LazarusOwenhart said:
How is it ableist to allow a severely ill/disabled person the option of quickly ending their suffering in a dignified and controlled manner? I know I'm falling for poor quality bait here but explain to me how it's ableism? I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread I personally made a point about abuses of the system where people coerce others into dying for their own benefit so don't go down the "We'll all be forced to die because we're a burden" line. Are guide dogs ableist? What about wheelchairs?
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I'm not baiting this is my honest opinion. One problem with it is its a double standard. An able-bodied person gets suicide prevention while a disabled person is not assumed to need suicide prevention mental health services.

Another problem is ableist conceptions of what dignity is. Its considered by most abled people to be undignified to get help using the washroom, with personal care etc. yet many disabled people live long, happy, fulfilling life despite needing a personal care assistant.

I don't see how guide dogs and wheelchairs could be ableist. These are things that help disabled people live fulfilling lives, not help them die. We fight for all disabled people who need to have access to these things.

I hate it when people on the pro-assisted suicide side of debate claim that everyone who is against assisted suicide is Christian. There are lots of secular arguments from a disabled rights perspective. I have no religious objections and do not follow an Abrahamic religion.

If you're interested in the non-religious, disability rights perspective on this issue, here a couple links:

http://notdeadyet.org/disability-ri...cacy-against-legalization-of-assisted-suicide

https://crippledscholar.wordpress.c...ly-feel-that-way-a-critique-of-me-before-you/
 
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So how long would you throw a quadriplegic with terminal cancer in prison for if they paid someone to kill them?
 
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Daughter of Pomona said:
I'm not baiting this is my honest opinion. One problem with it is its a double standard. An able-bodied person gets suicide prevention while a disabled person is not assumed to need suicide prevention mental health services.
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So you're telling me that if a person with Motor Neuron Disease rings a suicide hotline and says to the operator, "I'm stood on a bridge about to jump. In a few months I won't be able to feed myself and in two years I'll be dead." The operator is gonna go "Yeah dude you should jump, this line is for non-depressing things only." Come on dude if you're gonna make an argument at least start off with a point that holds some water.
 
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I saw my grandfather die of alzheimers.
I had to take care of him at 7 years old,alone at night because my parents were desperatly trying to get a job because a fucking maid conned him into marrying him and stealing his retirement money,so we had literally no money left,i watched for 6 months as a man who was proud,smart and loving decay to a bedridden shell of a man, alone and scared and confused, who forgot his own family,to later die and have his ribs broke because a fat nurse who dint gave a fuck tried to ressucitate him.
I dont care what anyone says, if someday i get gifted with a terminal or mentally crippled,im blowing my brains out.
 
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AnOminous said:
Just so you know, CPR isn't a magic revival process and even when done properly, USUALLY breaks ribs. It's a desperate last-ditch process that rarely actually saves anyone.
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:powerlevel: My father once told me that once you've actually had to perform CPR you start keeping count. He had a 1:1 success:failure rate at the time...
CPR does have a fairly good success rate with drowning and suffocating, so long as it's performed correctly (i.e. it should break ribs), immediately and as well as rather than instead of other emergency care. I think the success rate with heart attacks is one of the better ones, too, but anything else and it's basically a waste of time, ESPECIALLY if there's bleeding. Still no harm in trying, though.
 
Am I for euthanasia?

:powerlevel:I don't know anymore. My grandfather had an attack that got him in an hospital. They could save him but his right side of his body couldn't move. He can't talk but he was mentally well. Two night before he died, he has pneumonia. The doctors said that if he leaves the hospital, it was in a coffin.
So, my aunts told the doctor that no, they aren't gonna let grandfather live there forever.

My grandfather suffered for two days. They decided to make him do a Morphine overdose. My grandmother told me he was sleeping/suffering/crying those two days. I was only there when he died ( my family didn't want me to know what's going on since I just had my third daughter. I was pissed).

So, euthanasia? Before, I would say yes but now? Depends on the case. I hate seeing people suffer. I wish doctor could speed up the processus of euthanasia.
 
I personally think that yes, euthanasia should be a thing.
No one deserves to suffer and humans have the ability to consent and make decisions, death should be one of those decisions.
 
We should euthenise all the disableds tbh. Even the minorly disabled are a net drain on society and in the case of some (ie autistics and mentally ills) they are violent and disruptive too.
 
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Dynastia said:
It objectively is shameful and undignified to need somebody else to wipe your asshole and if you say otherwise you must be full exceptional lmao
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It's not something to kill yourself over, some people are like that their whole lives.
 
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