Expanding scope: dealing with not-so-lolcows

[Ponderous Pillock]

I actually think the best thing to do is not to build yet another subforum. There are some folks which start out as borderline, and then rapidly transform into full blown cows. I think going with a small change would be to include a new tag where they're marked as "Person of Interest" rather than various kids of cows. That way you're playing with tag issue than the need to throw stuff in other forums.

 

[Vitriol]

We could just make new threads in Lolcow / Drama a mod-approval type thing. We have that ability.

that would stop PA requests effectively but it wouldn't prevent us from attracting the Wulfgars/rylongs of the internet. Unless we are strict in what topics are allowed to be discussed and reject topics likely to attract enterspergs/mras/ggs/antigger/etc etc but that then defeats the point of expanding discussion imo.

 

[Null]

I actually think the best thing to do is not to build yet another subforum. There are some folks which start out as borderline, and then rapidly transform into full blown cows.

If we made some sort of promotion criteria we could elevate Tumblr / Drama threads into full Lolcow threads.

 

[Clown Doll]

I actually think the best thing to do is not to build yet another subforum. There are some folks which start out as borderline, and then rapidly transform into full blown cows.

Lolcow is getting kind of bloated and then there's edrama that's less about the people involved than the event such as the Finebros drama. Threads can be moved across forums very easily.

reject topics likely to attract enterspergs/mras/ggs/antigger/etc

The call was coming from inside the house. Lolcow already has a lot of these kinds of topics and one of the reasons the topics are having trouble is because the people who want to discuss the gamergate related noncows are frustrated with people coming into their topics to shout them down, and the people who are against them, seem to be frustrated about Lolcow being clogged with GamerGate topics.

 

[Sanshain]

I think it would be a great idea to in some way separate out the kind of lolcow thread that deals with eccentric, stupid but ultimately fairly harmless individuals like Chris-Chan and the kind of lolcow that genuinely inspires outrage and disgust, like Alison Rapp.

 

[FreightTrain]

Would Null be considered an official lolcow?

 

[Clown Doll]

I think it would be a great idea to in some way separate out the kind of lolcow thread that deals with eccentric, stupid but ultimately fairly harmless individuals like Chris-Chan and the kind of lolcow that genuinely inspires outrage and disgust, like Alison Rapp.

We have "Horrorcow" tags.

 

[CatParty]

Would Null be considered an official lolcow?

We have "Horrorcow" tags.

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

There's a fine line between discussing people of interest on the Internet and having the owner of a site specifically pushing their userbase against people in some self-righteous crusade. As long as this means we don't feature what amounts to practically dossiers on the frontpage of suspected pedos, as if it's our duty to be a personal army against the Alison Rapps and other ills of the world, then I guess it could be fine.

 

[HG 400]

The problem with containment threads/subforums is they encourage the kind of content that isn't welcome in the first place.

Also, some of these marginal characters have the possibility of causing morons who admire/hate them to show up despite having no connection to the general board culture, e.g. the Mr. Enter disaster.

That's why you have hotpockets. Discourage shenanigans when and if they happen instead of worrying about what might conceivably encourage them in the future.

that would stop PA requests effectively but it wouldn't prevent us from attracting the Wulfgars/rylongs of the internet. Unless we are strict in what topics are allowed to be discussed and reject topics likely to attract enterspergs/mras/ggs/antigger/etc etc but that then defeats the point of expanding discussion imo.

How is this a bad thing? Backfired PA requests are fucking hilarious. Wulfgars and Ryulongs are fucking hilarious. I want more of both.

 

[Vitriol]

How is this a bad thing? Backfired PA requests are fucking hilarious. Wulfgars and Ryulongs are fucking hilarious. I want more of both.

funny when they backfire but the rest of the gamergate thread or indeed the enter subforum is what happens when they don't.

 

[HG 400]

funny when they backfire but the rest of the gamergate thread or indeed the enter subforum is what happens when they don't.

Oh no there's thread on the Kiwi Farms and I don't like what's going on in it!

Use your hotpockets to purge it out if there's a real problem, stay in the cuckcorner and don't read it if there isn't. I think the gamergate thread is loads of fun and I thought the Enter subforum was loads of fun too.

 

[Vitriol]

Oh no there's thread on the Kiwi Farms and I don't like what's going on in it!

Use your hotpockets to purge it out if there's a real problem, stay in the cuckcorner and don't read it if there isn't. I think the gamergate thread is loads of fun and I thought the Enter subforum was loads of fun too.

The nature of those threads isn't the problem, its the crowd they attracted- we were still banning disruptive spergs who came in with enter looking for help picking fights 10 months later and that was a fairly minor 'fanbase'. If we had become a hub for , as an example, pro gg like KIA or 8chan I think we'd have been overrun. While one could just ignore those threads there is no guarantee those users would ignore yours.

You yourself crashed SC and RW with the help of a relatively small group of other farmers and you have also successfully derailed and retarded discussion of various threads and topics you disapproved of here over the years. I think it would be extremely optimistic to consider that the kind of person who will be attracted to discussing milo, sargon, green, jones, thunderfoot or any other source of polarising edrama won't do exactly the same thing to defend their position and limit discussion of their sacred cows. They do it on most other sites.

Draconian moderation can limit this to a degree but as the Rapp, Sargon and Cox threads show if a decent enough number of users decide to shut down a thread they will normally succeed.

As I said further up- I do support expanding to include discussion of these people as our userbase seems to want to however I think it should be done in off topic so we don't attract a new user base more interested in epolitics and culture war than lolcows-

you said this about deep thoughts

This is the Kiwi Farms, a place dedicated to the ideals of standing next to a retarded manbaby so we all look less pathetic. Kiwi Farms is the chunky girl who takes hambeasts as her wingmen when she wants to pick up some D. Kiwi Farms is the dullard who volunteers to work with drooling mongaloids so they can feel like the smartest person in the room. Kiwi Farms is the weakling who picks fights with cripples.

I believe this sub, if public, would risk attracting the attention of more than just cripples and dullards as you put it and i believe we might well lose.

 

[Clown Doll]

As long as this means we don't feature what amounts to practically dossiers on the frontpage of suspected pedos, as if it's our duty to be a personal army against the Alison Rapps and other ills of the world, then I guess it could be fine.

Well, as I've explained my own view earlier, this is the situation now. Or at least, that's the current extreme end of the non-lolcow edrama content we currently have on the Kiwi Farms. Trying to present non-lolcows as Lolcows has lead to a watering down of what's perceived as standards for Lolcows, and this has gotten people understandably upset, especially if they want to find Lolcows on the lolcow board, but are disappointed to see threads on people who don't meet their standards on Lolcows.

At the same time, all the Gamergate and Wiki-centric edrama that isn't necessarily tangible Lolcows but is funny to document and observe is producing laughs with a notable part of the already-existing userbase. The fact that people want to discuss edrama shouldn't be a problem for people who want to play with the Chris-themed legos or follow traditional Lolcows as long as a clear distinction of what's a Lolcow and what's a Person of Interest / Edrama stampede, and the places to discuss them are structured accordingly so we don't have an overly bloated Lolcow board that causes everyone involved to be dissatisfied because they can't find the content they're looking for because the edramas and Lolcows are mixed with each other and it seems that a lot of users have severe hangups with the tag system.

The point of contention was "they're not really" Move them to a subforum that doesn't have 'lolcows' at the top and the point of contention goes away.

The Tumblr sub is a good example of achieving a goal of hiding that sort of content from people who didn't want to have it infect Lolcow, and serving those who were coming to the site only for that sort of threads by concentrating it in one place.

 

[HG 400]

You yourself crashed SC and RW with the help of a relatively small group of other farmers and you have also successfully derailed and retarded discussion of various threads and topics you disapproved of here over the years.

Only the backbiting passive-aggressive snark thread in supporters, and only because I was literally paid to do it.

I generally don't disapprove of any threads and topics here. I think they're all fun, and the dumber they are the more fun they are to play in.

Draconian moderation can limit this to a degree but as the Rapp, Sargon and Cox threads show if a decent enough number of users decide to shut down a thread they will normally succeed.

The point of contention was "they're not really" Move them to a subforum that doesn't have 'lolcows' at the top and the point of contention goes away.

btw, if you think our moderation is as fragile and inept as SC or RW, that's alarming. Those places only needed the gentlest of pushes. If I tried that shit anywhere that wasn't uniquely vulnerable I'd just get banned by the local hotpockets with no harm done, because that's what your hotpockets are for.

 

[Vitriol]

Only the backbiting passive-aggressive snark thread in supporters, and only because I was literally paid to do it.

my point is you were able to do it- and if you can so could others. Admittedly their motive might be different but it doesn't really matter in the end result.

The point of contention was "they're not really" Move them to a subforum that doesn't have 'lolcows' at the top and the point of contention goes away

I agree with you here so any dispute about your previous comment becomes rather null!

Edit: I do think the point stands that while our current userbase which is primarily interested in lolcows shut it down for that reason a new base including a more political element, could, and in my view over time would, use it to do the same to topics they disliked. The current problem will be solved by creating a new sub, but i think we will avoid future problems if that sub is in off topic.

 

[HG 400]

my point is you were able to do it- and if you can so could others. Admittedly their motive might be different but it doesn't really matter in the end result.

What I'm able to do is pretty extraordinary. I doubt it'll come up much in the future.

 

[Vitriol]

What I'm able to do is pretty extraordinary. I doubt it'll come up much in the future.

the edf crowd managed it fine, so will others- this is a small pond.

 

[DuskEngine]

If we made some sort of promotion criteria we could elevate Tumblr / Drama threads into full Lolcow threads.

The tone of the drama board vs. the lolcow board will be fundamentally different. People will go there for different things, and they will respond to the same content differently on each board.

I don't think it's a good idea to have lolcows be 'elevated' dramaspergs since it creates a gauntlet that all potential lolcow threads have to pass through, one that isn't necessarily conducive to filtering out political or unfunny content.

 

[HG 400]

the edf crowd managed it fine, so will others- this is a small pond.

They shitposted around a bit, the most obnoxious ones were banned, and the rest either integrated seamlessly and became valued and cherished kiwis, or got bored and left of their own accord. They didn't destroy or curtail any discussion whatsoever. They couldn't if they tried, because we have janitors to deal with that sort of tomfoolery.

If 100 Milo fanboys showed up here one day to post in our Milo thread about how Milo is basically the second coming of Christ, and a whole bunch of people see that and say "Gross, this thread is positive towards Milo, I'm not going to post my negative thoughts on him because it's against the current of the thread", then good. Fucking good. If people aren't willing to say "this is what I think" unless they're sure everyone else thinks so to, then what they think is even more worthless than the usual worthlessness of things people here think and their thoughts don't deserve consideration. Fuck them and fuck the value they think their opinions have if they won't even put them up against disagreement. If the hypothetical Milo fanboys start spilling out of the Milo thread, hotpocket them. That's what your hotpockets are for. They'll either fall into line and learn not to obnoxiously derail non-Milo threads, or they'll get shitcanned. No big deal.

As a semi-related aside, as much as people mock Asterisk and ADK, I think they're two of the best posters in Deep Thoughts because at least 'other people disagree' isn't the same thing as 'silencing discussion' to them.